| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran 16:06 - Mar 6 with 3576 views | Radlett_blue |
Nothing else will do.
They then need to find a leader acceptable to Trump (and, presumably to the Iranians) and he will then "work to make Iran great again".
Breathtaking, even for Trump. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:10 - Mar 7 with 1006 views | Radlett_blue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 08:19 - Mar 7 by DJR |
There are suggestions that the US are planning to use the Kurds to open up an attack.
Leaving aside the fact that (if successful) it could lead to the break-up of Iran, if I were a Kurd I wouldn't trust the US one bit, given the way they used and supported the Kurds in Syria in recent years in the fight against ISIS and in recent months have betrayed them now they have a new best friend in charge of Syria. [Post edited 7 Mar 8:24]
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Bigging up the Kurds & helping a Kurdish separatist movement would cause huge ructions in Turkey (a US ally) Iraq & Syria. While they are a 30m stateless minority, be careful when lighting that blue touchpaper. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:14 - Mar 7 with 995 views | Herbivore |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 09:46 - Mar 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe people posting in this thread, not specifically aimed at you, should listen to what the Iranian diaspora are saying about the current situation.
This sums up the debate perfectly.
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As usual you seem to be about a galaxy away from the point. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:26 - Mar 7 with 935 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 09:46 - Mar 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Maybe people posting in this thread, not specifically aimed at you, should listen to what the Iranian diaspora are saying about the current situation.
This sums up the debate perfectly.
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What a ridiculous graphic, you're probably thrilled with this new non woke approach to warfare too, you really are quite the Trump/Nethanyahoo fanboy aren't you. As usual you have found the unified voice that exists purely in your head! |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:28 - Mar 7 with 931 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:10 - Mar 7 by Radlett_blue |
Bigging up the Kurds & helping a Kurdish separatist movement would cause huge ructions in Turkey (a US ally) Iraq & Syria. While they are a 30m stateless minority, be careful when lighting that blue touchpaper. |
Surely after ISIS the Kurds won't allow themselves to become the fall guys/pawns again. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:36 - Mar 7 with 912 views | Cafe_Newman |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:26 - Mar 7 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What a ridiculous graphic, you're probably thrilled with this new non woke approach to warfare too, you really are quite the Trump/Nethanyahoo fanboy aren't you. As usual you have found the unified voice that exists purely in your head! |
To be fair to Glassers it's the same voice that's in Bibi's head.
Bibi says this is a message to the Iranian people - but they know this is for European and US consumption:
https://youtube.com/shorts/-SB [Post edited 7 Mar 13:02]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:51 - Mar 7 with 891 views | Pinewoodblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:28 - Mar 7 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Surely after ISIS the Kurds won't allow themselves to become the fall guys/pawns again. |
In any ethnic group you will always find fanatics and with Kurds spread over four countries they will have more than their fair share.
Again you have to say this is most likely more Netanyahu’s idea than Trump’s.
Trump doesn’t seem capable of considering the consequences of his actions. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:55 - Mar 7 with 879 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 08:36 - Mar 7 by Cafe_Newman |
GB is not naive, he's just doing what he does: peddling the official narrative to the uninformed and ignorant.
Our allies in the Middle-East are vile regimes, run by pseudo-pious, sick individuals who give their nations' riches in exchange for so called "protection". Most significantly, they are hugely unpopular with their peoples.
As authoritarian as they may have been, the recent leaders of Libya, Venezuela and Syria secured better lifestyles for their citizens than the head-hopping, prostitute leaders of our royal family's hideous friends in the Middle East.
If you sit on a country with huge natural resources, you buy your survival by selling it cheaply to a great military power. Human rights, morality, religion and being against "sponsors of terror" are mere sideshows to be periodically plucked and woven into a narrative to justify illegal wars for resource theft whenever required. |
If Venezuela created a decent lifestyle for their citizens, strange then that it’s led to the world’s largest outflow of refugees. I know you like to go against the grain but it’s all documented by NGO’s and humanitarian agencies. Yes the likes of Saudi are just the other arse cheek of regimes like Iran. And naming Syria as well, who gassed their own citizens is just wild. |  | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 12:45 - Mar 7 with 784 views | Cafe_Newman |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 10:55 - Mar 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
If Venezuela created a decent lifestyle for their citizens, strange then that it’s led to the world’s largest outflow of refugees. I know you like to go against the grain but it’s all documented by NGO’s and humanitarian agencies. Yes the likes of Saudi are just the other arse cheek of regimes like Iran. And naming Syria as well, who gassed their own citizens is just wild. |
Weird that there should be millions of refugees from Venezuela and numerous Central American countries. The poor people are either escaping decades of crippling US lead sanctions or the evils of their fascist US-installed puppet leaders.
Re Syria: Thank God we have access to totally independent and free media (privately owned or state run) 100% guaranteed to be reporting the truth when it comes to any nation opposing either the "western" banking system, the petrodollar or the US's concept of free trade.
A heavy dose of media scepticism does everyone the world of good, irrespective of your party- and geo- political views. | | | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:07 - Mar 7 with 692 views | darkhorse28 |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 17:23 - Mar 6 by GlasgowBlue |
90 million Iranians also want to see the unconditional surrender of this barbaric murderous regime. Who the next leader is will be up to them. Not Trump. |
Amazing how confused people are. They should travel more, even just for a day outside their bubble.
Alarmingly comfortably with woman raped, tortured, murdered, for showing their hair or face, and gay people murdered where they stand, for centuries!!
But if it’s not talked about in the echo chamber, can’t be used for social status, there’s zero fecks given .., and that’s the kind, tolerant and progressives .., oh dear. Seems so unkind to look the other way if you can do something about it. Seems convened by pure self interest.
Spain saying nobody supports these leaders, but nothing should be done.
The only reason we’ve done nothing is because it’s expensive, and vastly unpopular .., western leaders ignoring it for their careers, look like complete sociopaths. Millions suffering over centuries. | | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 19:20 - Mar 7 with 672 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 12:45 - Mar 7 by Cafe_Newman |
Weird that there should be millions of refugees from Venezuela and numerous Central American countries. The poor people are either escaping decades of crippling US lead sanctions or the evils of their fascist US-installed puppet leaders.
Re Syria: Thank God we have access to totally independent and free media (privately owned or state run) 100% guaranteed to be reporting the truth when it comes to any nation opposing either the "western" banking system, the petrodollar or the US's concept of free trade.
A heavy dose of media scepticism does everyone the world of good, irrespective of your party- and geo- political views. |
Well we’ve made good progress from your initial claim that Venezuela’s leaders gave them a good standard of living, to you acknowledging that over 8m people fled poverty (including ~4m to US aligned Colombia alone). There are 192 countries that aren’t the US to trade with, but the incompetent and corrupt leaders ran their oil and gas industry into the ground, and your economy will tend to suffer if you chase away your best and brightest. Rather than invest in infrastructure the gangsters running Venezuela creamed off the profits themselves, with Chavez worth an estimated $200m when he died, as his people starved.
Why not have a little read and educate yourself on the vile people you are defending (presumably for free as well):
https://www.hrw.org/americas/v
Whilst I agree there’s a lot of media bias, there’s a certain irony to the privilege you have, of access to literally any source in the world, whilst defending regimes that block or filter the internet for their citizens. [Post edited 7 Mar 20:24]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 21:55 - Mar 7 with 596 views | Cafe_Newman |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 19:20 - Mar 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Well we’ve made good progress from your initial claim that Venezuela’s leaders gave them a good standard of living, to you acknowledging that over 8m people fled poverty (including ~4m to US aligned Colombia alone). There are 192 countries that aren’t the US to trade with, but the incompetent and corrupt leaders ran their oil and gas industry into the ground, and your economy will tend to suffer if you chase away your best and brightest. Rather than invest in infrastructure the gangsters running Venezuela creamed off the profits themselves, with Chavez worth an estimated $200m when he died, as his people starved.
Why not have a little read and educate yourself on the vile people you are defending (presumably for free as well):
https://www.hrw.org/americas/v
Whilst I agree there’s a lot of media bias, there’s a certain irony to the privilege you have, of access to literally any source in the world, whilst defending regimes that block or filter the internet for their citizens. [Post edited 7 Mar 20:24]
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I didn't say " Venezuela’s leaders gave them a good standard of living, "
I said "As authoritarian as they may have been, the recent leaders of Libya, Venezuela and Syria secured better lifestyles for their citizens than the head-chopping, prostitute leaders of our royal family's hideous friends in the Middle East."
Chavez won 4 landslide elections between 1998 and 2012, his support being among the poorest in the country. I'm not sure why they'd continue to vote him into power if he was starving his people
Remind me when there was last a democratic vote for leadership in the GCC countries I was comparing Venezuela with. | | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 22:18 - Mar 7 with 574 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 21:55 - Mar 7 by Cafe_Newman |
I didn't say " Venezuela’s leaders gave them a good standard of living, "
I said "As authoritarian as they may have been, the recent leaders of Libya, Venezuela and Syria secured better lifestyles for their citizens than the head-chopping, prostitute leaders of our royal family's hideous friends in the Middle East."
Chavez won 4 landslide elections between 1998 and 2012, his support being among the poorest in the country. I'm not sure why they'd continue to vote him into power if he was starving his people
Remind me when there was last a democratic vote for leadership in the GCC countries I was comparing Venezuela with. |
Because at the time he ‘inherited’ a functioning oil and gas industry which initially provided some level of functioning state. However, he and his cronies quickly emptied the coffers through incompetence and corruption at PDVSA for their own enrichment (he even used state funds to pay for his election campaigns. It’s an industry I’m close to, and it’s no secret that PDVSA suffered rampant corruption, they’ve not opened their books to a transparent audit, but some estimates of ‘missing’ assets are as high at $40bn.
One of the most resource rich countries in the region was effectively pillaged, and when people dared to protest they were shot or beaten. Hence over 8m fled, but yeah must be the West’s fault. Nobody has said the Gulf states conduct themselves better Saudi is an appalling state with little regard for human rights, but people aren’t fleeing in great numbers. You are only kidding yourself if you think Venezuela’s leaders didn’t bring it to ruin. | | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 07:20 - Mar 8 with 447 views | Cafe_Newman |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 22:18 - Mar 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Because at the time he ‘inherited’ a functioning oil and gas industry which initially provided some level of functioning state. However, he and his cronies quickly emptied the coffers through incompetence and corruption at PDVSA for their own enrichment (he even used state funds to pay for his election campaigns. It’s an industry I’m close to, and it’s no secret that PDVSA suffered rampant corruption, they’ve not opened their books to a transparent audit, but some estimates of ‘missing’ assets are as high at $40bn.
One of the most resource rich countries in the region was effectively pillaged, and when people dared to protest they were shot or beaten. Hence over 8m fled, but yeah must be the West’s fault. Nobody has said the Gulf states conduct themselves better Saudi is an appalling state with little regard for human rights, but people aren’t fleeing in great numbers. You are only kidding yourself if you think Venezuela’s leaders didn’t bring it to ruin. |
Read the book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins
Stop spouting your naivety, everybody knows how it works. The US does it and other global powers employ similar or other strategies to gain hegemon in their geographic areas. Each global power (and its peoples) are appalled when they see it going on by a rival power. This is the world we live in.
Really serious flash points happen when there's hegemony overreach by any of the powers' zone of influence: East/West Europe, South America, Cuba, Israel, GCC etc. And then there's the fight for Africa. It's modern day colonialism. Stop pretending it's anything different.
Oh, and here's your Venezuela sanctions timeline, starting in 2005 with the current list of reasons for regime overthrow: narcotrafficking, support for Hamas and Hezbollah etc:
https://www.americanconference [Post edited 8 Mar 7:35]
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 08:53 - Mar 8 with 411 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 07:20 - Mar 8 by Cafe_Newman |
Read the book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins
Stop spouting your naivety, everybody knows how it works. The US does it and other global powers employ similar or other strategies to gain hegemon in their geographic areas. Each global power (and its peoples) are appalled when they see it going on by a rival power. This is the world we live in.
Really serious flash points happen when there's hegemony overreach by any of the powers' zone of influence: East/West Europe, South America, Cuba, Israel, GCC etc. And then there's the fight for Africa. It's modern day colonialism. Stop pretending it's anything different.
Oh, and here's your Venezuela sanctions timeline, starting in 2005 with the current list of reasons for regime overthrow: narcotrafficking, support for Hamas and Hezbollah etc:
https://www.americanconference [Post edited 8 Mar 7:35]
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I’m well aware of Sanctions regimes thanks. As per, they can and do trade with other countries like China and Brazil, it’s limited by the rampant corruption and starving of capital which has destroyed any hope of selling at scale. Unfortunately PDVSA is now riddled with debt after asset stripping by the regime so there’s little benefit to the Venezuelan people.
Not to mention their most qualified workers in the sector fled the brutality of the regime. Unfortunately, you show little understanding of economics and only deal in emotional driven opinion pieces, and are willing to overlook actual facts. If you think the work of Humanitarian Agencies is agenda driven we aren’t going to get far so I’ll leave it there. | | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 12:15 - Mar 8 with 345 views | Cafe_Newman |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 08:53 - Mar 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m well aware of Sanctions regimes thanks. As per, they can and do trade with other countries like China and Brazil, it’s limited by the rampant corruption and starving of capital which has destroyed any hope of selling at scale. Unfortunately PDVSA is now riddled with debt after asset stripping by the regime so there’s little benefit to the Venezuelan people.
Not to mention their most qualified workers in the sector fled the brutality of the regime. Unfortunately, you show little understanding of economics and only deal in emotional driven opinion pieces, and are willing to overlook actual facts. If you think the work of Humanitarian Agencies is agenda driven we aren’t going to get far so I’ll leave it there. |
Congratulations on taking one secondary comment from a wider point about colonisation through trumped up "reasons" for war and turning it into some "you know nothing about economics and just deal in emotions" fob off.
If you think the work of Humanitarian Agencies are free from corruption and never used as a tool to drive agendas, we aren’t going to get far so I’ll join you in leaving it there... until the next time someone beats the drum for war on exaggerated or false pretext. | | | |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 12:35 - Mar 8 with 334 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:07 - Mar 7 by darkhorse28 |
Amazing how confused people are. They should travel more, even just for a day outside their bubble.
Alarmingly comfortably with woman raped, tortured, murdered, for showing their hair or face, and gay people murdered where they stand, for centuries!!
But if it’s not talked about in the echo chamber, can’t be used for social status, there’s zero fecks given .., and that’s the kind, tolerant and progressives .., oh dear. Seems so unkind to look the other way if you can do something about it. Seems convened by pure self interest.
Spain saying nobody supports these leaders, but nothing should be done.
The only reason we’ve done nothing is because it’s expensive, and vastly unpopular .., western leaders ignoring it for their careers, look like complete sociopaths. Millions suffering over centuries. |
That’s quite muddled and seems to be the opposite of what’s happening.
First off, we’ve had people posting on this site about their experiences working and living in the region. Plenty of people travel.
I’ve not seen anyone on here being comfortable with the rape and abuse of women and gay people. Plus that’s quite an extrapolation to assume people give “zero fecks” unless they can politicise the issue in an echo chamber (which this place isn’t).
“Unkind to look the other way”? Life is tough. There are injustices and mistreatment of people all over the world. Do you think that justifies military action unconstrained by any rules or laws? Should we be bombing China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Syria, Hungary, Gambia, Egypt, Kenya, Pakistan too? How many wars do you want? How many bombs do you think we have? Wouldn’t it be better to try to work with likeminded countries towards peaceful resolutions, despite how difficult that can be?
‘Western leaders done nothing, ignoring it for their careers, millions suffering over centuries’. You seem to have completely forgotten that western leaders have, for centuries, intervened in other country’s affairs using military action. How many of those have gone well? One of the main reason’s Starmer is not unconditionally supporting Trump is because he’s paying attention to the lessons learnt from being poodles to the US in Iraq. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 12:41 - Mar 8 with 327 views | StokieBlue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:07 - Mar 7 by darkhorse28 |
Amazing how confused people are. They should travel more, even just for a day outside their bubble.
Alarmingly comfortably with woman raped, tortured, murdered, for showing their hair or face, and gay people murdered where they stand, for centuries!!
But if it’s not talked about in the echo chamber, can’t be used for social status, there’s zero fecks given .., and that’s the kind, tolerant and progressives .., oh dear. Seems so unkind to look the other way if you can do something about it. Seems convened by pure self interest.
Spain saying nobody supports these leaders, but nothing should be done.
The only reason we’ve done nothing is because it’s expensive, and vastly unpopular .., western leaders ignoring it for their careers, look like complete sociopaths. Millions suffering over centuries. |
"Alarmingly comfortably with woman raped, tortured, murdered, for showing their hair or face, and gay people murdered where they stand, for centuries!!"
Iran hasn't historically had a tradition or law which required women to cover their faces.
Awful things have been done by the regime but your specific example isn't really correct. It's also not correct to say that it's been happening for centuries, before the regime and going back a long way there was no requirement for face coverings.
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:05 - Mar 8 with 264 views | Herbivore |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:07 - Mar 7 by darkhorse28 |
Amazing how confused people are. They should travel more, even just for a day outside their bubble.
Alarmingly comfortably with woman raped, tortured, murdered, for showing their hair or face, and gay people murdered where they stand, for centuries!!
But if it’s not talked about in the echo chamber, can’t be used for social status, there’s zero fecks given .., and that’s the kind, tolerant and progressives .., oh dear. Seems so unkind to look the other way if you can do something about it. Seems convened by pure self interest.
Spain saying nobody supports these leaders, but nothing should be done.
The only reason we’ve done nothing is because it’s expensive, and vastly unpopular .., western leaders ignoring it for their careers, look like complete sociopaths. Millions suffering over centuries. |
Stick to talking absolute shite a about the footy, mate. At least that is comparably inoffensive nonsense. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:28 - Mar 8 with 224 views | pointofblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 18:07 - Mar 7 by darkhorse28 |
Amazing how confused people are. They should travel more, even just for a day outside their bubble.
Alarmingly comfortably with woman raped, tortured, murdered, for showing their hair or face, and gay people murdered where they stand, for centuries!!
But if it’s not talked about in the echo chamber, can’t be used for social status, there’s zero fecks given .., and that’s the kind, tolerant and progressives .., oh dear. Seems so unkind to look the other way if you can do something about it. Seems convened by pure self interest.
Spain saying nobody supports these leaders, but nothing should be done.
The only reason we’ve done nothing is because it’s expensive, and vastly unpopular .., western leaders ignoring it for their careers, look like complete sociopaths. Millions suffering over centuries. |
Some valid points there.
So when are the Americans going to bomb the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar...? | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:32 - Mar 8 with 219 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:28 - Mar 8 by pointofblue |
Some valid points there.
So when are the Americans going to bomb the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar...? |
Nobody is suggesting for one minute that Trump is doing ths for the good of the Iranian people. He's as mad as Caligula and more dangerous than Nero.
But f the brutal Islamic theocracy is brought down as a byproduct of his action then it can only be a good thing for the people of Iran, the whole region ad the entire world. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:35 - Mar 8 with 206 views | lowhouseblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:32 - Mar 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Nobody is suggesting for one minute that Trump is doing ths for the good of the Iranian people. He's as mad as Caligula and more dangerous than Nero.
But f the brutal Islamic theocracy is brought down as a byproduct of his action then it can only be a good thing for the people of Iran, the whole region ad the entire world. |
"Islamic theocracy is brought down as a byproduct of his action then it can only be a good thing for the people of Iran, the whole region ad the entire world."
i agree completely with the sentiment, but it does still depend on what comes next. |  |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:43 - Mar 8 with 193 views | Herbivore |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:32 - Mar 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Nobody is suggesting for one minute that Trump is doing ths for the good of the Iranian people. He's as mad as Caligula and more dangerous than Nero.
But f the brutal Islamic theocracy is brought down as a byproduct of his action then it can only be a good thing for the people of Iran, the whole region ad the entire world. |
That very much depends on what follows it. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:45 - Mar 8 with 183 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:35 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
"Islamic theocracy is brought down as a byproduct of his action then it can only be a good thing for the people of Iran, the whole region ad the entire world."
i agree completely with the sentiment, but it does still depend on what comes next. |
Indeed. But one would hope that whatever comes next does not fund terrorist groups like the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, export terrorism around the world, hang gays from a crane, murder women for showing their hair or gun down 40,000 in a matter of days simply for protesting in favour of a better life. | |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:47 - Mar 8 with 167 views | lowhouseblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:45 - Mar 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. But one would hope that whatever comes next does not fund terrorist groups like the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, export terrorism around the world, hang gays from a crane, murder women for showing their hair or gun down 40,000 in a matter of days simply for protesting in favour of a better life. |
but a full blown civil war with weapons leaking to every group who can grab them may come down to pretty much the same thing. it's probably wrong to focus on the worst case outcome, but it's definitely there in the background. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:48 - Mar 8 with 165 views | pointofblue |
| I see Trump is now demanding the "unconditional surrender" of Iran on 15:45 - Mar 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. But one would hope that whatever comes next does not fund terrorist groups like the Houthis, Hezbollah and Hamas, export terrorism around the world, hang gays from a crane, murder women for showing their hair or gun down 40,000 in a matter of days simply for protesting in favour of a better life. |
One would hope, but a lack of succession plan leads to disaster. Remember when the Taliban were overthrown from Afghanistan? Now they're back. Libya is paralysed by civil war. | |
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