| The decision to become a ref 18:19 - Mar 7 with 1006 views | onceablue |
My guess is most referees decide to go this route because they are not very good at football
Most referees are small in statue physically the ref today has surely never played football. A Leicester defender manhandled the ref today and didn’t even get a yellow card, I though that was an instant dismissal, it would have been in rugby
My belief is you must have played football to understand the game and therefore take control of the game
You never see a rugby ref, who are mainly ex players, have to be escorted from a rugby pitch for his own safety like today.
The standard of refereeing in this country is a disgrace hence the reason VAR was introduced.
How often is all the talk after the game about the ref’s performance |  | | |  |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:28 - Mar 7 with 922 views | Hciwspi |
So they get a decent salary AND a match fee? Blimey…where do I apply!!? |  | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:29 - Mar 7 with 901 views | gtsb1966 |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:28 - Mar 7 by Hciwspi |
So they get a decent salary AND a match fee? Blimey…where do I apply!!? |
The match fee would do me  |  | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:31 - Mar 7 with 868 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:28 - Mar 7 by Hciwspi |
So they get a decent salary AND a match fee? Blimey…where do I apply!!? |
I think they start by running the line aged about 12 and then spend a lot of time building the skills and experience to develop into being able to do it by the time they are in their 20s.
It takes commitment I am sure.
I am also sure far too many make it all about themselves but the level of abuse officials get at all levels must put a lot off making it the resilient/arrogant ones who are more likely to continue. Are they the ones you want or do you want a bigger pool that will ultimately lead to a better quality?
Far too much abuse of officials at all levels for my liking. |  |
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| The decision to become a ref on 18:31 - Mar 7 with 870 views | Plums |
As the parent of a referee and after spending quite a bit of time in the company of referees and assistants of all ages and levels all the way up to WSL and EPL, I can comfortably call this BS.
The vast majority that I come across are refs because they love the game. Many of them play the game, often to a decent standard and then have to make a choice in their late teens or early twenties as to which path to take. There are also a number who suffer injury whilst playing which doesn't stop them running but means they're unable to endure repetitive contact.
I understand you're angry and disappointed about today - we all are - but you're incorrect on so many levels. If you're unhappy with the standard, pick up a whistle and have a go on Sunday morning, you'll be made very welcome - until you get something wrong... |  |
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| The decision to become a ref on 18:34 - Mar 7 with 835 views | iamatractorboy |
Sadly the pool of refs is only going to shrink, and consequently standards will continue to fall, because the abuse they get is horrendous. Before anyone chimes in with 'well, they deserve it, they're crap, if they were good they wouldn't get abused' just stop for a second and ask yourself if you'd put yourself in that position. That's not to excuse today's shocker (it was a terrible miss by the ref at the end), but the vitriol they receive is out of all proportion. Most of the time they refs are damned if they give a decision one way and damned if they give it the other. This is evident when pundits (and fans) endlessly debate decisions after games and most of the time they can't agree with each other. | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:40 - Mar 7 with 790 views | Plums |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:28 - Mar 7 by Hciwspi |
So they get a decent salary AND a match fee? Blimey…where do I apply!!? |
Here you go
https://www.thefa.com/get-invo
Good luck.
99% will get nowhere near the EFL so all the best on your journey. [Post edited 7 Mar 18:41]
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| The decision to become a ref on 18:57 - Mar 7 with 718 views | grow_our_own |
Quality of the refs is a factor but not the root cause. Football has always been too difficult for humans to officiate accurately. Ex-pros would be better, but if you don't see a foul, then you can't give it, no matter your background.
I'm pro-VAR, but am aware I'm in the minority. Somehow it needs to be made more popular. I think limited referrals needs to be trialled as an alternative to double-checking **everything** goal or red-card related. Double checking every goal does impact the purity of the spectacle.
I think referrals need to be from captains close to the action, not the bench. Two per half max. If you make speculative referrals and then there's a hand-of-god, then tough titties. Captains, not manager will force one player in every team to have a functioning brain. Right now, captains don't have any formal responsibilities beyond calling a coin toss. Captains are in close proximity to the fouled/fouling player, so they can either see an infringement themselves, or are within shouting distance of those who did. Going back and forth to the bench, who'll be waiting to watch replays themselves, will take too long.
Also, I think captain-referrals would reduce diving and speculative appeals generally. Right now, players are incentivised to dive and appeal **everything**. With limited referrals, if you make frivolous appeals, tell your captain to refer, and you're wrong, then it will make you look an idiot when you lose the game to a dodgy decision that you can't appeal. If you're a tricky winger, you dive in the box, roll around on the ground, wrongly tell your captain to VAR-check, and then your team runs out of referrals, you will be **very** unpopular.
I think limited-referrals will improve the standard of refereeing. In the Prem, too many refs don't give decisions on the correct assumption that if they get it wrong, VAR will bail them out. The result is timidity and too many VAR-check delays. If the ref will never know if a referral will happen, they'll actually do the job they're paid for: make decisions. The calibre of referees will improve because the job will actually become possible to carry-out effectively. Right now, it's hobson's choice. Ref without VAR and it's often impossible for you to make correct decisions, or referee with VAR and be a goal-joy spoiler. Either way, you're unpopular. The job attracts low-calibre people as a result.
Got to be worth a try. Anything is better than the shambles on 94 minutes today. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:15]
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| The decision to become a ref on 19:05 - Mar 7 with 684 views | Sarge |
I was a ref.
I did it because the league needed referees and nobody else would do it. I progressed up the ladder a bit and hated every single game of it. At grassroots level it was badly organised, often getting a call the night before to do a game. The FA is a bit of a cabal, there’s very little oversight on performances to the extent that almost all mistakes can be covered up and you’re backed through thick and thin. Hardly any incentive to be any good given you’ll get abuse either way, you get paid either way, and with no accountability and nobody waiting in the wings to take your job it’s a pretty safe gig.
But I’d never do it again, total waste of a weekend. | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 19:10 - Mar 7 with 635 views | Durovigutum |
This thing about playing in order to be a ref is nonsense.
Roy Keane was a great player, doesn’t make you a great manager.
Refereeing is hard, not many people are good at it, historically referees have been promoted because they tipped the right hats, that’s changed recently with the CORE system but it will take a few more years for that cohort to come through.
The speed of the modern game, played by elite players, means modern referees need to be retiring in their early 40s not starting out. |  | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 19:12 - Mar 7 with 627 views | bluelagos |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:31 - Mar 7 by Plums |
As the parent of a referee and after spending quite a bit of time in the company of referees and assistants of all ages and levels all the way up to WSL and EPL, I can comfortably call this BS.
The vast majority that I come across are refs because they love the game. Many of them play the game, often to a decent standard and then have to make a choice in their late teens or early twenties as to which path to take. There are also a number who suffer injury whilst playing which doesn't stop them running but means they're unable to endure repetitive contact.
I understand you're angry and disappointed about today - we all are - but you're incorrect on so many levels. If you're unhappy with the standard, pick up a whistle and have a go on Sunday morning, you'll be made very welcome - until you get something wrong... |
Stepped in to ref 3 times (Sunday morning pub stuff) and absolutely agree.
I got dogs abuse for giving a pen when 2 lads simultaneously took out a striker who was taken off.
"Never touched him" was the cleanest thing claimed.
Week later I was asked to sign the insurance forms, the lad had been for an xray and was off work with a broken leg ffs.
Coming off the pitch I got plenty of thanks (they knew the game wouldn't have taken place otherwise) but fxked if I'd do that regularly. |  |
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| The decision to become a ref on 19:15 - Mar 7 with 604 views | grow_our_own |
| The decision to become a ref on 19:05 - Mar 7 by Sarge |
I was a ref.
I did it because the league needed referees and nobody else would do it. I progressed up the ladder a bit and hated every single game of it. At grassroots level it was badly organised, often getting a call the night before to do a game. The FA is a bit of a cabal, there’s very little oversight on performances to the extent that almost all mistakes can be covered up and you’re backed through thick and thin. Hardly any incentive to be any good given you’ll get abuse either way, you get paid either way, and with no accountability and nobody waiting in the wings to take your job it’s a pretty safe gig.
But I’d never do it again, total waste of a weekend. |
Exactly what I said above. Current job of a referee makes them unpopular. Time to give captain-limited-referrals a try. | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 19:19 - Mar 7 with 585 views | Swansea_Blue |
Peanuts. If you really want to take it in for minimum effort, just become a third or fourth choice keeper at a PL club. |  |
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| The decision to become a ref on 19:22 - Mar 7 with 565 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:31 - Mar 7 by Plums |
As the parent of a referee and after spending quite a bit of time in the company of referees and assistants of all ages and levels all the way up to WSL and EPL, I can comfortably call this BS.
The vast majority that I come across are refs because they love the game. Many of them play the game, often to a decent standard and then have to make a choice in their late teens or early twenties as to which path to take. There are also a number who suffer injury whilst playing which doesn't stop them running but means they're unable to endure repetitive contact.
I understand you're angry and disappointed about today - we all are - but you're incorrect on so many levels. If you're unhappy with the standard, pick up a whistle and have a go on Sunday morning, you'll be made very welcome - until you get something wrong... |
Of course it’s BS. Have you not met onceablue before?  | |
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| The decision to become a ref on 19:23 - Mar 7 with 564 views | stonojnr |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:31 - Mar 7 by Plums |
As the parent of a referee and after spending quite a bit of time in the company of referees and assistants of all ages and levels all the way up to WSL and EPL, I can comfortably call this BS.
The vast majority that I come across are refs because they love the game. Many of them play the game, often to a decent standard and then have to make a choice in their late teens or early twenties as to which path to take. There are also a number who suffer injury whilst playing which doesn't stop them running but means they're unable to endure repetitive contact.
I understand you're angry and disappointed about today - we all are - but you're incorrect on so many levels. If you're unhappy with the standard, pick up a whistle and have a go on Sunday morning, you'll be made very welcome - until you get something wrong... |
Ah you missed the pomp of Paul Durkin & Graham Poll, you can still enjoy the pomp of Dermot "thats why im a ref and you're not" Gallagher on Sky Sports.
Look 99% of the games officialdom are perfectly normal people trying to do their best, interpret crazy rule changes at time and fair play to them, we salute their service that makes grass roots and lower league football function, some of them even make it up to the top leagues and are often a breath of fresh air with their ability to referee games to a standard that actually works.
But there absolutely are 1% who are often there not because of a passion for the game, but they like to be centre of attention, they like to order people around.theyre not good refs
Where todays ref sits i dont know. All I know is he is comfortably the worst ref weve seen this season, and weve had two games with him to form that opinion
1 bad game might be misfortune, 2 bad games is carelessness. I dont want to see what a 3rd game with him looks like. | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 19:55 - Mar 7 with 496 views | norfsufblue |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:57 - Mar 7 by grow_our_own |
Quality of the refs is a factor but not the root cause. Football has always been too difficult for humans to officiate accurately. Ex-pros would be better, but if you don't see a foul, then you can't give it, no matter your background.
I'm pro-VAR, but am aware I'm in the minority. Somehow it needs to be made more popular. I think limited referrals needs to be trialled as an alternative to double-checking **everything** goal or red-card related. Double checking every goal does impact the purity of the spectacle.
I think referrals need to be from captains close to the action, not the bench. Two per half max. If you make speculative referrals and then there's a hand-of-god, then tough titties. Captains, not manager will force one player in every team to have a functioning brain. Right now, captains don't have any formal responsibilities beyond calling a coin toss. Captains are in close proximity to the fouled/fouling player, so they can either see an infringement themselves, or are within shouting distance of those who did. Going back and forth to the bench, who'll be waiting to watch replays themselves, will take too long.
Also, I think captain-referrals would reduce diving and speculative appeals generally. Right now, players are incentivised to dive and appeal **everything**. With limited referrals, if you make frivolous appeals, tell your captain to refer, and you're wrong, then it will make you look an idiot when you lose the game to a dodgy decision that you can't appeal. If you're a tricky winger, you dive in the box, roll around on the ground, wrongly tell your captain to VAR-check, and then your team runs out of referrals, you will be **very** unpopular.
I think limited-referrals will improve the standard of refereeing. In the Prem, too many refs don't give decisions on the correct assumption that if they get it wrong, VAR will bail them out. The result is timidity and too many VAR-check delays. If the ref will never know if a referral will happen, they'll actually do the job they're paid for: make decisions. The calibre of referees will improve because the job will actually become possible to carry-out effectively. Right now, it's hobson's choice. Ref without VAR and it's often impossible for you to make correct decisions, or referee with VAR and be a goal-joy spoiler. Either way, you're unpopular. The job attracts low-calibre people as a result.
Got to be worth a try. Anything is better than the shambles on 94 minutes today. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:15]
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This is the only way i want to see VAR retained, also completely close Stockley park so they cant interfer.. als how about the 4th official keeps his eye on the little screen and can also refer the standing ref to "seen in live time" incidents ...ref could make a decision on " advice" but the Captain can still obviously challenge if he believes in not been seen correctly. All this then means that the oldest law in the book of .. The referees decision is final" can be returned to its rightful meaning! |  | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 20:09 - Mar 7 with 468 views | Sticks74 |
| The decision to become a ref on 19:23 - Mar 7 by stonojnr |
Ah you missed the pomp of Paul Durkin & Graham Poll, you can still enjoy the pomp of Dermot "thats why im a ref and you're not" Gallagher on Sky Sports.
Look 99% of the games officialdom are perfectly normal people trying to do their best, interpret crazy rule changes at time and fair play to them, we salute their service that makes grass roots and lower league football function, some of them even make it up to the top leagues and are often a breath of fresh air with their ability to referee games to a standard that actually works.
But there absolutely are 1% who are often there not because of a passion for the game, but they like to be centre of attention, they like to order people around.theyre not good refs
Where todays ref sits i dont know. All I know is he is comfortably the worst ref weve seen this season, and weve had two games with him to form that opinion
1 bad game might be misfortune, 2 bad games is carelessness. I dont want to see what a 3rd game with him looks like. |
Didn’t he ref the Bristol City away game as well? He gave us a penalty then so wonder if the thought of giving three penalties in successive games meant ‘he didn’t see it’. | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 20:22 - Mar 7 with 382 views | Durovigutum |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:57 - Mar 7 by grow_our_own |
Quality of the refs is a factor but not the root cause. Football has always been too difficult for humans to officiate accurately. Ex-pros would be better, but if you don't see a foul, then you can't give it, no matter your background.
I'm pro-VAR, but am aware I'm in the minority. Somehow it needs to be made more popular. I think limited referrals needs to be trialled as an alternative to double-checking **everything** goal or red-card related. Double checking every goal does impact the purity of the spectacle.
I think referrals need to be from captains close to the action, not the bench. Two per half max. If you make speculative referrals and then there's a hand-of-god, then tough titties. Captains, not manager will force one player in every team to have a functioning brain. Right now, captains don't have any formal responsibilities beyond calling a coin toss. Captains are in close proximity to the fouled/fouling player, so they can either see an infringement themselves, or are within shouting distance of those who did. Going back and forth to the bench, who'll be waiting to watch replays themselves, will take too long.
Also, I think captain-referrals would reduce diving and speculative appeals generally. Right now, players are incentivised to dive and appeal **everything**. With limited referrals, if you make frivolous appeals, tell your captain to refer, and you're wrong, then it will make you look an idiot when you lose the game to a dodgy decision that you can't appeal. If you're a tricky winger, you dive in the box, roll around on the ground, wrongly tell your captain to VAR-check, and then your team runs out of referrals, you will be **very** unpopular.
I think limited-referrals will improve the standard of refereeing. In the Prem, too many refs don't give decisions on the correct assumption that if they get it wrong, VAR will bail them out. The result is timidity and too many VAR-check delays. If the ref will never know if a referral will happen, they'll actually do the job they're paid for: make decisions. The calibre of referees will improve because the job will actually become possible to carry-out effectively. Right now, it's hobson's choice. Ref without VAR and it's often impossible for you to make correct decisions, or referee with VAR and be a goal-joy spoiler. Either way, you're unpopular. The job attracts low-calibre people as a result.
Got to be worth a try. Anything is better than the shambles on 94 minutes today. [Post edited 7 Mar 21:15]
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I had a chat with referee Tim Robinson recently who said they trialled referrals in a women’s u19 tournament and the managers and players hated it. Leave the decisions to the experts was basically the output - football moves so much faster than cricket! | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 20:53 - Mar 7 with 303 views | Z765765 |
Why don’t you give it a go for a season then come back and comment again. The system of expecting one referee to make perfectly correct decisions in a very fast moving game with highly adept professional cheats (let’s face it that’s what the players all are now) is absurd. | | | |
| The decision to become a ref on 21:13 - Mar 7 with 220 views | Garv |
| The decision to become a ref on 20:53 - Mar 7 by Z765765 |
Why don’t you give it a go for a season then come back and comment again. The system of expecting one referee to make perfectly correct decisions in a very fast moving game with highly adept professional cheats (let’s face it that’s what the players all are now) is absurd. |
I have no experience of refereeing but I've said it before, a referee can have the best intentions in the world but ultimately there will always be 22 men on the pitch trying to con him.
Having said that, there were some strange decisions today. |  |
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| The decision to become a ref on 21:24 - Mar 7 with 182 views | vapour_trail |
| The decision to become a ref on 18:40 - Mar 7 by Plums |
Here you go
https://www.thefa.com/get-invo
Good luck.
99% will get nowhere near the EFL so all the best on your journey. [Post edited 7 Mar 18:41]
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I’m guessing they, and itfcSon who doesn’t like your kid being a ref given their downvotes, wouldn’t have it in them.
My lad was reffed today by a kid one year older than him with an u18 armband on and still got a load of abuse from coaches and parents. It was disgusting. I made a point of finding him to say thank you at the end of the game in which we were comfortably beaten.
How on earth are you going to get quality reffing when they’re treated like that from the age you want them learning the ropes.
I’m looking forward to the shite i get when I can’t keep up running the line tomorrow morning.
Good luck to your son or daughter with their reffing, plums. |  |
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| The decision to become a ref on 21:47 - Mar 7 with 131 views | Plums |
| The decision to become a ref on 21:24 - Mar 7 by vapour_trail |
I’m guessing they, and itfcSon who doesn’t like your kid being a ref given their downvotes, wouldn’t have it in them.
My lad was reffed today by a kid one year older than him with an u18 armband on and still got a load of abuse from coaches and parents. It was disgusting. I made a point of finding him to say thank you at the end of the game in which we were comfortably beaten.
How on earth are you going to get quality reffing when they’re treated like that from the age you want them learning the ropes.
I’m looking forward to the shite i get when I can’t keep up running the line tomorrow morning.
Good luck to your son or daughter with their reffing, plums. |
A junior ref locally red carded a coach today who led his team in a chant of 'cheat, cheat, cheat'. These people should be nowhere near kids sport and TBH probably nowhere near children. Well done for supporting that ref today, it will have meant a lot to them.
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