| Making things much worse 22:28 - Mar 24 with 1478 views | Kev_W |
The past couple of days have been something of a masterclass in how to get something wrong and then make it even worse. The club still need to put the record straight and to recognise the genuine anger it has caused. They need to recognise that receiving Farage in this way was a mistake. In the run up to a local election hosting any politician would have been wrong, to welcome the most polarising politician in the country was both wrong and extremely stupid. They could have capped the issue with a statement emphasising the non-political nature of the club, disassociating themselves with Reform’s views that run against the club’s ethos of inclusion and support. In doing so they could have realigned themselves firmly with the broad views majority of supporters who oppose the views of Reform. Instead the club have allowed themselves to look evasive (at best) and failed to remove the idea that the visit was something sought after as advantageous.
They might also like to clarify whether sponsors were asked if they thought it helped their brands with this extra ‘promotion’. I’d guess behind the scenes they are pretty unhappy.
Should someone take responsibility and should heads roll? Earlier today I thought not but the degree of evasion and the incompetence in the media handling means that there ought to be an exit. The club needs higher quality personnel who can deal with issues more swiftly and transparently and who are in alignment with the majority of supporters.
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| Making things much worse on 22:34 - Mar 24 with 1376 views | Camul123 |
It's massively galling when the best hope for supporters of a club that is aiming to sit at the top table of the world's biggest league is that the club's management have been amateurly incompetent at PR.
We weren't all the best versions of ourselves today. | | | |
| Making things much worse on 22:48 - Mar 24 with 1252 views | lowhouseblue |
this is a poll of voting intentions in suffolk published today i think, including all the ipswich wards, so when you say "in alignment with the majority of supporters" i'm not sure that can be assumed. using active twtd posters to gauge public opinion is unwise.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/co |  |
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| Making things much worse on 22:55 - Mar 24 with 1169 views | Churchman |
| Making things much worse on 22:48 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is a poll of voting intentions in suffolk published today i think, including all the ipswich wards, so when you say "in alignment with the majority of supporters" i'm not sure that can be assumed. using active twtd posters to gauge public opinion is unwise.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/co |
Thanks for posting Lowhouse. Dear god, a real scary eyebrow raiser.
What people do in elections is often different to what they say they’re going to do. Here’s hoping anyway.
I wonder if those projections are the same elsewhere? |  | | |
| Making things much worse on 23:01 - Mar 24 with 1092 views | lowhouseblue |
| Making things much worse on 22:55 - Mar 24 by Churchman |
Thanks for posting Lowhouse. Dear god, a real scary eyebrow raiser.
What people do in elections is often different to what they say they’re going to do. Here’s hoping anyway.
I wonder if those projections are the same elsewhere? |
i guess tactical voting can still change things - and this poll ought to incentivise people to vote tactically. vote to keep them out.
but pretending that farage is untouchable to most people or most fans is a very distorted view of things. people here are so convinced that their views are always correct that they are genuinely incapable of comprehending that other people think differently, and if anything do so in larger numbers. | |
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| Making things much worse on 23:16 - Mar 24 with 982 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Making things much worse on 23:01 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
i guess tactical voting can still change things - and this poll ought to incentivise people to vote tactically. vote to keep them out.
but pretending that farage is untouchable to most people or most fans is a very distorted view of things. people here are so convinced that their views are always correct that they are genuinely incapable of comprehending that other people think differently, and if anything do so in larger numbers. |
The smugness and superiority in the last para is palpable.
But wholly unsurprising. |  | | |
| Making things much worse on 23:21 - Mar 24 with 931 views | OldTimer2 |
It is simple. Whoever signed off on the invitation has to go. Whoever signed off on the press statement, if different, also has to go. This will rumble on for weeks otherwise. |  |
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| Making things much worse on 23:31 - Mar 24 with 867 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Making things much worse on 23:21 - Mar 24 by OldTimer2 |
It is simple. Whoever signed off on the invitation has to go. Whoever signed off on the press statement, if different, also has to go. This will rumble on for weeks otherwise. |
"But evidence provided by a Reform source contradicts this version. The Athletic has seen a message sent by an associate of a senior club figure to a Reform official asking for a meeting with Farage during his visit to the town."
This still doesnt sound like the club invited him. |  |
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| Making things much worse on 23:35 - Mar 24 with 826 views | OldTimer2 |
| Making things much worse on 23:31 - Mar 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
"But evidence provided by a Reform source contradicts this version. The Athletic has seen a message sent by an associate of a senior club figure to a Reform official asking for a meeting with Farage during his visit to the town."
This still doesnt sound like the club invited him. |
Not sure I see much difference between asking for a meeting and inviting him, wspecially if the meeting was at Portman Road. The attempt to mislead people is almost as bad, and incompetent, as the original decision | |
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| Making things much worse on 23:39 - Mar 24 with 795 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Making things much worse on 23:35 - Mar 24 by OldTimer2 |
Not sure I see much difference between asking for a meeting and inviting him, wspecially if the meeting was at Portman Road. The attempt to mislead people is almost as bad, and incompetent, as the original decision |
Its states 'an associate of a senior club official'.
That suggests the club didnt have any direct involvement. | |
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| Making things much worse on 23:42 - Mar 24 with 754 views | lowhouseblue |
| Making things much worse on 23:16 - Mar 24 by reusersfreekicks |
The smugness and superiority in the last para is palpable.
But wholly unsurprising. |
but sadly that para is true. the idea that because lots of posters on here think and post exactly the same, that must be what all supporters think, and it's the only acceptable view, and the club must then toe that precise political line, is arrogance of the highest order. diversity when it comes to opinions seems to be a strangely challenging and unwelcome concept - i guess because politics here always comes wrapped in absolute certainty
but, being positive, tactical voting really can stop reform progressing, so that's a real and practical thing. | |
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| Making things much worse on 23:49 - Mar 24 with 715 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Making things much worse on 23:39 - Mar 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Its states 'an associate of a senior club official'.
That suggests the club didnt have any direct involvement. |
Think based on farage confirming the town invitation was made it means that a senior official like MA or Luke Werhun asked someone to set it up |  |
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| Making things much worse on 23:55 - Mar 24 with 674 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Making things much worse on 23:49 - Mar 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Think based on farage confirming the town invitation was made it means that a senior official like MA or Luke Werhun asked someone to set it up |
Speculation m'lud. | |
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| Making things much worse on 23:56 - Mar 24 with 670 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Making things much worse on 23:42 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
but sadly that para is true. the idea that because lots of posters on here think and post exactly the same, that must be what all supporters think, and it's the only acceptable view, and the club must then toe that precise political line, is arrogance of the highest order. diversity when it comes to opinions seems to be a strangely challenging and unwelcome concept - i guess because politics here always comes wrapped in absolute certainty
but, being positive, tactical voting really can stop reform progressing, so that's a real and practical thing. |
But you just make crass assumptions about what people on here think/believe, with no evidence.
Where has anyone said the majority of Ipswich supporters are left leaning or think the same as posters on this board?
And you took the same line re certainties during the U.S elections with regard to Trump. That turned out well.
It's obnoxious really [Post edited 24 Mar 23:59]
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| Making things much worse on 23:57 - Mar 24 with 644 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Making things much worse on 23:55 - Mar 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Speculation m'lud. |
Is it? He confirmed it at his event in leeds.
He was invited to itfc.
If he wasnt and that is indeed a lie then the club should call it out. But they know theu cant hence their statement said we host.....
Which was a far cry from this morning when we didnt know they were coming. | |
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| Making things much worse on 23:59 - Mar 24 with 623 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Making things much worse on 23:57 - Mar 24 by FrimleyBlue |
Is it? He confirmed it at his event in leeds.
He was invited to itfc.
If he wasnt and that is indeed a lie then the club should call it out. But they know theu cant hence their statement said we host.....
Which was a far cry from this morning when we didnt know they were coming. |
But no one has confirmed it was by the club.
Lets all take a deep breath, we'll find out more tomorrow. | |
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| Making things much worse on 06:51 - Mar 25 with 347 views | Dubtractor |
| Making things much worse on 22:48 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is a poll of voting intentions in suffolk published today i think, including all the ipswich wards, so when you say "in alignment with the majority of supporters" i'm not sure that can be assumed. using active twtd posters to gauge public opinion is unwise.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/co |
You spend so much time smugly mocking people on here for living in the twtd thought bubble, but that's exactly what you are doing here.
The itfc Facebook page has 2,600 comments on the post with their statement, mostly criticising the club.
But no, you keep downplaying people's views with smears about them being out of touch. |  |
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| Making things much worse on 07:14 - Mar 25 with 255 views | muccletonjoe |
| Making things much worse on 22:48 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is a poll of voting intentions in suffolk published today i think, including all the ipswich wards, so when you say "in alignment with the majority of supporters" i'm not sure that can be assumed. using active twtd posters to gauge public opinion is unwise.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/co |
No its not unwise, because if this is repeated in a general election ( i very much doubt it ) the country would be ungovernable. I think for the first time the democratic process would fail completely. Society would be divided and would not accept Farage or his party of failed tories. |  | | |
| Making things much worse on 08:00 - Mar 25 with 169 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Making things much worse on 22:48 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is a poll of voting intentions in suffolk published today i think, including all the ipswich wards, so when you say "in alignment with the majority of supporters" i'm not sure that can be assumed. using active twtd posters to gauge public opinion is unwise.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/co |
So you appear to agree with the absolute vast majority of the OP. That Farage is a divisive ring piece, that you don't want him anywhere near power, that he is controversial, that he is not conducive to the clubs ethos on equality and backing of minority groups etc etc etc.
And yet you focus on the idea that maybe, at a push, slightly under half the fans would be frustrated, annoyed or downright disgusted, and therefore the OP was wrong in saying that it affected a majority of fans.
That seems like a ridiculously weak and contrarian argument when the main thrust of what everyone is saying about this whole affair is that he is a hugely controversial figure and this was a massive own goal by the club. Yeah, but actually you said more than 50 percent would be annoyed and I think you'll find it is potentially only a bit less than 50 percent, really isn't a win in the huge controversial own goal stakes.
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| Making things much worse on 08:02 - Mar 25 with 155 views | Steve_M |
It's remarkably inept, a real throwback to the days when Marcus Evans would send Simon Clegg or Ian Milne out to mouth some platitudes to the local press. The five year plan was the best one of those I think.
As ever, with these sort of fk ups, it's the cover up that makes the original error worse. On Monday I could at least hope that the club had merely been incredibly naïve but the more that seeps out about this then the worse it looks.
The signs have been there though, both with the Norwich ticket farce two seasons ago and Morsy's refusal to wear the rainbow armband last season, there has been no apology and a lack of public candour. These are the difficult bits of leadership and our usually omnipresent CEO has flunked them just as he's flunking this one.
Yes, senior people should go. Maybe even Ashton too for this, it's undone so much of the good work that the club has done over the last five years - and for what, a squalid little photo opportunity for a divisive, grifter who's gone on to sow division elsewhere in the country.
This isn't going away and the longer the club and Ashton bury their collective heads in the sand the worse it will get. This is a club that moved on a senior player only a few weeks ago because his behaviour was offensive to the rest of the squad, that was very much the right thing to do but all the other stuff about diversity and improvement just looks like window dressing. |  |
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| Making things much worse on 08:07 - Mar 25 with 113 views | Kev_W |
| Making things much worse on 22:48 - Mar 24 by lowhouseblue |
this is a poll of voting intentions in suffolk published today i think, including all the ipswich wards, so when you say "in alignment with the majority of supporters" i'm not sure that can be assumed. using active twtd posters to gauge public opinion is unwise.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/co |
I wasn't talking about voting intention more that most Town fans are broadly supportive of campaigns like Kick It Out, Rainbow Laces, ITFC Foundation etc. These are the type of things Reform supporters routinely condemn as 'wokery'. This is where the club are out of line with the fanbase in appearing to welcome Farage. | | | |
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