| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? 22:22 - Mar 29 with 4187 views | BRIDGHAMBLUE |
Reading through some of the reactions over the last few days, it feels like the issue isn’t really about a politician being around the club,it’s about which politician it is.
If the concern is that an MP is involved or being welcomed, then that should apply across the board, not just because it’s someone from Reform UK that people don’t like. You can’t say it’s unacceptable in one case but fine when it’s someone from Labour Party or any other party.
Every political party has had its issues over the years, whether that’s internal divisions, poor decisions, or controversies. You only have to look back at Tony Blair and the Iraq War to see that no side has a perfect record. That doesn’t mean everyone in that party is bad — and the same logic should apply across the board.
Some of the reactions on here have been a bit over the top, to be honest. Acting like people are personally affected or harmed just because a politician visited or had a meeting feels exaggerated.
Also worth saying: throwing around words like “fascist” at anyone you disagree with is way over the top. Most people using it don’t seem to understand what it actually means and it just cheapens the word and shuts down any proper discussion. Disagree with someone, fine, but labelling them with extreme terms isn’t helping anyone.
Talking about things like immigration policy doesn’t automatically make someone racist. It’s a legitimate topic that governments deal with, whether people agree on the approach or not. Labelling anyone who raises it as “far-right” just shuts down discussion completely.
And on the marches, fair enough, people can do what they want. But turning up in big numbers doesn’t automatically mean you’re right or that you’re creating real change. It’s more a show of feeling than a solution. Real change comes from debate, policy, and action,not just being part of a crowd for a day.
End of the day, if we want to be taken seriously, there needs to be some balance. Either we’re okay with politicians engaging around the club, or we’re not. But it shouldn’t depend on whether we personally agree with them. |  | | |  |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:14 - Mar 29 with 624 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:11 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
You speak too highly. Outside of a few posters from between 10-20 years ago, no one would have known who I was (anyone remember MJH? BelsteadBill?).
This whole episode over the last week has made me so incensed that it has consumed my entire weekend.
I am honestly amazed that I haven't been told to STFU |
Ha, are your MJH and Belstead? If so, you're doing yourself a disservice. You were well respected under those names (to me at least!), but I had no idea of the name change, so you're also hiding under the radar which proves your point in this case, |  |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:14 - Mar 29 with 625 views | TheMoralMajority |
Oh goody. Another culture wars thread to mask the real issue. |  |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:15 - Mar 29 with 618 views | urbanpenguin |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:13 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
That just sounds like university echo-chamber stuff to me. Get out and about a bit ,this is one of the most diverse countries in the world, not some kind of hellhole. You’re making it sound far worse than it actually is.. |
Not spent much time in many universities, I would presume, though. |  | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:15 - Mar 29 with 619 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:14 - Mar 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Ha, are your MJH and Belstead? If so, you're doing yourself a disservice. You were well respected under those names (to me at least!), but I had no idea of the name change, so you're also hiding under the radar which proves your point in this case, |
Lol, no I'm not, more that that was my era.
I am Hackney Massive though. [Post edited 29 Mar 23:16]
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:17 - Mar 29 with 594 views | KBsSocks |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:10 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
You’re taking allegations, media snippets and individual cases and presenting them as if they define everything, that’s not a balanced view, that’s selective.
If we’re going down that route, every party has had members accused of racism, misconduct or worse over the years. That doesn’t mean you tar everyone in that party with the same brush ,or suddenly decide only one side is “toxic”.
You say the club should be apolitical, but then make an exception depending on who you personally dislike. That’s the inconsistency.
You don’t have to like Nigel Farage or Reform UK ,but acting like they’re uniquely beyond the pale while ignoring issues elsewhere just weakens your argument. |
I have given you four chances.
The ill-feeling started with Farage's visit, but was then magnified in The Athletic, on the BBC, in EADT by the Chair / CEO lack of response, then lies, and then a weaselly apology that amounted to nothing.
Some "we" were not too pleased with NF visit.
Other "we" were not bothered.
^This is where you have gotten stuck
More "we" were unhappy about the ensuing lies and obfuscation and non-apology of an apology.
^This is where we are now, plus some other frilly bits.
That´s your catch-up notes, now please keep up if possible.
You are welcome. |  |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:17 - Mar 29 with 591 views | BRIDGHAMBLUE |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:11 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
You speak too highly. Outside of a few posters from between 10-20 years ago, no one would have known who I was (anyone remember MJH? BelsteadBill?).
This whole episode over the last week has made me so incensed that it has consumed my entire weekend.
I am honestly amazed that I haven't been told to STFU |
Your last sentence sums up modern society — “do as I say, do as I do or else.” That kind of attitude is exactly what people criticise in Farage as well. Democracy means allowing all views, not just the ones you agree with | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:18 - Mar 29 with 595 views | Illinoisblue |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:00 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
I’m not dismissing how people feel, but feelings don’t automatically make every reaction proportionate or beyond question.
Saying a politician visiting a football club has “caused harm” is still a big claim, and it’s reasonable to challenge that without being accused of not caring.
Understanding people’s feelings cuts both ways as well. Others are allowed to question, disagree, or see things differently without being told they lack empathy. |
Caused harm is not a claim, it’s a fact. That you can’t or won’t see that suggests you’ve just woken up from a week-long nap.
To recap:
ITFC at the centre of countless far-right/nazi memes on social media
Players and staff complained to HR
McKenna disrespected by Farage
Fans and local media lied to
Ashton’s non-apology
Louise Cobbold’s Ipswich work ripped off by Reform.
Anyway, just a claim, right? Not as if there’s promotion to fight for. |  |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:19 - Mar 29 with 578 views | BRIDGHAMBLUE |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:15 - Mar 29 by urbanpenguin |
Not spent much time in many universities, I would presume, though. |
Really? You won’t find me on mass marches trying to make myself feel better. People are lucky to live in this country ,there’s no need for all the constant complaining. | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:21 - Mar 29 with 576 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
What about the lies and the attempted cover up?
What about claiming to be apolitical, while gifting a politician 6 personalised shirts endorsing his ambitions for No10? [Post edited 29 Mar 23:21]
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:21 - Mar 29 with 571 views | BRIDGHAMBLUE |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:17 - Mar 29 by KBsSocks |
I have given you four chances.
The ill-feeling started with Farage's visit, but was then magnified in The Athletic, on the BBC, in EADT by the Chair / CEO lack of response, then lies, and then a weaselly apology that amounted to nothing.
Some "we" were not too pleased with NF visit.
Other "we" were not bothered.
^This is where you have gotten stuck
More "we" were unhappy about the ensuing lies and obfuscation and non-apology of an apology.
^This is where we are now, plus some other frilly bits.
That´s your catch-up notes, now please keep up if possible.
You are welcome. |
Lol, I understand the timeline, I just don’t agree with the conclusions you’re drawing from it.
You’ve taken a sequence of events and turned it into something far bigger than it actually is. Disliking how something was handled is fair enough, but calling it “lies”, “obfuscation” and acting like it’s some major issue is where it becomes overblown.
People can see the same situation and come to a different view ,that doesn’t mean they’re “stuck”, it just means they don’t share your interpretation. | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:23 - Mar 29 with 550 views | urbanpenguin |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:19 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
Really? You won’t find me on mass marches trying to make myself feel better. People are lucky to live in this country ,there’s no need for all the constant complaining. |
You seem to be the one complaining. The only complaint I've made is that there are too many racists and fascists, which seems a pretty rational complaint. | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:23 - Mar 29 with 556 views | KBsSocks |
Ty illinoisblue:
"frilly bits"
To recap:
ITFC at the centre of countless far-right/nazi memes on social media
Players and staff complained to HR
McKenna disrespected by Farage
Louise Cobbold’s Ipswich work ripped off by Reform.
Not "frilly":
Fans and local media lied to
Ashton’s non-apology
But by "frilly" I am sorry to use a dismissive and disparaging term to simplify things. | |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:24 - Mar 29 with 538 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:17 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
Your last sentence sums up modern society — “do as I say, do as I do or else.” That kind of attitude is exactly what people criticise in Farage as well. Democracy means allowing all views, not just the ones you agree with |
Why, for someone who seems to want to opt out of politics do you want to make this political? This issue is not a political issue, and I have no interest in getting into a political debate.
The issue at hand is an ITFC and trust issue, not a politics issue.
We have moved on from the politics a long time ago, but seemingly, a lot of people just want to stay there screaming at each other.
I have no desire for that, so if that is what you are looking for you would need to look elsewhere. For my other opinions on the events over the last week, they are well covered in my posting history, and I would be more than happy to engage with anything there. | |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:26 - Mar 29 with 528 views | Camul123 |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:11 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
You speak too highly. Outside of a few posters from between 10-20 years ago, no one would have known who I was (anyone remember MJH? BelsteadBill?).
This whole episode over the last week has made me so incensed that it has consumed my entire weekend.
I am honestly amazed that I haven't been told to STFU |
Once a TWTD-er ...
You've played a blinder. Pulled the rug from under those trying to pass objections off as politically motivated. | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:26 - Mar 29 with 527 views | TheMoralMajority |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:21 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
Lol, I understand the timeline, I just don’t agree with the conclusions you’re drawing from it.
You’ve taken a sequence of events and turned it into something far bigger than it actually is. Disliking how something was handled is fair enough, but calling it “lies”, “obfuscation” and acting like it’s some major issue is where it becomes overblown.
People can see the same situation and come to a different view ,that doesn’t mean they’re “stuck”, it just means they don’t share your interpretation. |
Dude. Are you serious? We were literally lied to. Multiple times.
The only reason it came to light and the club had to release its non-apology was because an international news outlet had receipts and hit 'publish' [Post edited 29 Mar 23:28]
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:34 - Mar 29 with 494 views | KBsSocks |
"You’ve taken a sequence of events and turned it into something far bigger than it actually is. Disliking how something was handled is fair enough, but calling it “lies”, “obfuscation” and acting like it’s some major issue is where it becomes overblown. "
I will now provide links to the relevant websites to counter your "overblown" statement:
Edit - good summary here:
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/fa
Then came the Club's non-apology which is highlighted here and there. [Post edited 29 Mar 23:39]
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 00:04 - Mar 30 with 416 views | TheMoralMajority |
And *poof* he's gone.
Another one who wants to push a culture wars narrative, then disappears when pushed to engage with the actual issues. And a new user to boot?
It's almost like this is a deliberate ploy to enrage and divide.
I'm off to bed, but I look forward to your response in the morning. [Post edited 30 Mar 0:06]
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 00:29 - Mar 30 with 372 views | armchaircritic59 |
I'm very consistent about politicians, I'd say in my 71 years on this planet the number I've liked from any party can almost be counted on the fingers of one hand. Guy Fawkes had the right idea. If only some genius could come up with a better system of running a country. Any here? | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 00:33 - Mar 30 with 370 views | Olcol |
You are only half wrong/right. It does not matter who comes to the club for a visit. But when it's a Political pr event ok,'d by CEO it does matter. That is not acting Apolitical. Perhaps if it had been Labour or Conservative maybe it could have been a little more accepted yes but still not good. To invite Reform is just plain stupid if you are looking to unite a club looking to the future. They are a polarising party that project beliefs that are offensive to at least 60% of the worlds population.
I don't know how Ashton came up with this idea but it shows how some smart people don't get the big picture. | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 07:38 - Mar 30 with 277 views | homer_123 |
That's the wrong take away.
In and of itself, an MP (local or national) visiting the Club isn't a big deal.
Allowing a political party to weaponise the Club for its gain and then subsequently seeing the Club lie, obfuscate and double down, however, goes against every single value we purport to have as a Club.
Then, watching our CEO apologise for the 'hurt and pain' but not taking any ownership or responsibility of why decisions were made, why the Club wasn't honest, either with staff, media or fans is a much more significant issue.
At best, our CEO has made a series of shockingly poor decisions, really though, as I have posted, it is a dereliction of his duties. |  |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 07:47 - Mar 30 with 255 views | Dubtractor |
Hi Mark. |  |
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| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 08:47 - Mar 30 with 207 views | Mjs |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 00:33 - Mar 30 by Olcol |
You are only half wrong/right. It does not matter who comes to the club for a visit. But when it's a Political pr event ok,'d by CEO it does matter. That is not acting Apolitical. Perhaps if it had been Labour or Conservative maybe it could have been a little more accepted yes but still not good. To invite Reform is just plain stupid if you are looking to unite a club looking to the future. They are a polarising party that project beliefs that are offensive to at least 60% of the worlds population.
I don't know how Ashton came up with this idea but it shows how some smart people don't get the big picture. |
If Sunderland go ahead and let farage tour their stadium, then Ashton will feel vindicated. If Sunderland cancel farage, then Ashton is still on the hook. | | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 10:31 - Mar 30 with 166 views | gordon |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 22:39 - Mar 29 by BRIDGHAMBLUE |
How many lives did Labour end.? under Blair.? |
If in the aftermath of Blair's decision to invade Iraq, he'd turned up and done a photoshoot at Portman Road with a "Blair" shirt hangin up in the dressing room and had dinner with Sheepshanks, people probably would have gone absolujtely nuts about it.
But that didn't happen, so your hypothethical 'whatabbout this!' is silly. |  | | |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 10:56 - Mar 30 with 137 views | StokieBlue |
| Can we be consistent about MPs, not just who we like? on 23:11 - Mar 29 by TheMoralMajority |
You speak too highly. Outside of a few posters from between 10-20 years ago, no one would have known who I was (anyone remember MJH? BelsteadBill?).
This whole episode over the last week has made me so incensed that it has consumed my entire weekend.
I am honestly amazed that I haven't been told to STFU |
Belstead has returned with this saga and just seems intent on trolling nowadays.
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