| Are different tactics needed ? 22:34 - Apr 19 with 1229 views | eddiespearitt03 |
The Portsmouth and Middlesborough attacks showed vulnerable Ipswich defending again.
Can we put out a better attacking line up from the start to get enough goals to win. ?
Can we protect a winning position ?
Is it possible to change tactics.and formation ?
We lost games earlier in the season we should not have. |  | | |  |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:36 - Apr 19 with 1060 views | FrimleyBlue |
Put Johnson back at LB? |  |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:42 - Apr 19 with 1034 views | pointofblue |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:36 - Apr 19 by FrimleyBlue |
Put Johnson back at LB? |
The vulnerability is all over, not just at left back. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:44 - Apr 19 with 1027 views | Tonytown |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:36 - Apr 19 by FrimleyBlue |
Put Johnson back at LB? |
He will be on the right of midfield v Saints and possibly WBA or Charlton | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:44 - Apr 19 with 1026 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think its more a personnel issue tbh.
I just think we lack a player in midfield that the game can run through. Today when Boro went 2-1 up the game ran through Morris, he dictated the tempo, he was threading balls through and generally just keeping them ticking.
I have though a lot this season when we start to lose control of the game we dont have anyone who can wrestle it back and put their foot on the ball like a Hackney or a Morris or even a Grimes for Cov. Azor has very many qualities, on the ball he isn't great. Taylor has many qualities and I thought he was good today but he is more of a runner and an 8 than someone who will dictate a game.
Obviously we tried for Hackney but who was the alternative to him because we have nobody who plays a role like he does. [Post edited 19 Apr 22:45]
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:42 - Apr 20 with 836 views | bsw72 |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:42 - Apr 19 by pointofblue |
The vulnerability is all over, not just at left back. |
The left side was targeted yesterday by Boro. In the first 30 mins every Boro attack focussed on our left flank, and we actually did not win an aerial challenge down that side for the first 15 mins. |  | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:45 - Apr 20 with 820 views | Dubtractor |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:42 - Apr 20 by bsw72 |
The left side was targeted yesterday by Boro. In the first 30 mins every Boro attack focussed on our left flank, and we actually did not win an aerial challenge down that side for the first 15 mins. |
It was very noticeable, wasn't it? High balls to that flank, on repeat, for a lot of the first half. |  |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:47 - Apr 20 with 799 views | Herbivore |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:44 - Apr 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think its more a personnel issue tbh.
I just think we lack a player in midfield that the game can run through. Today when Boro went 2-1 up the game ran through Morris, he dictated the tempo, he was threading balls through and generally just keeping them ticking.
I have though a lot this season when we start to lose control of the game we dont have anyone who can wrestle it back and put their foot on the ball like a Hackney or a Morris or even a Grimes for Cov. Azor has very many qualities, on the ball he isn't great. Taylor has many qualities and I thought he was good today but he is more of a runner and an 8 than someone who will dictate a game.
Obviously we tried for Hackney but who was the alternative to him because we have nobody who plays a role like he does. [Post edited 19 Apr 22:45]
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No but we didn't really have that in the seasons before this one under McKenna either and we managed okay. For all Morsy and Luongo's qualities neither of them were really playmakers. |  |
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| Agreed on 07:50 - Apr 20 with 782 views | Dyland |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:44 - Apr 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think its more a personnel issue tbh.
I just think we lack a player in midfield that the game can run through. Today when Boro went 2-1 up the game ran through Morris, he dictated the tempo, he was threading balls through and generally just keeping them ticking.
I have though a lot this season when we start to lose control of the game we dont have anyone who can wrestle it back and put their foot on the ball like a Hackney or a Morris or even a Grimes for Cov. Azor has very many qualities, on the ball he isn't great. Taylor has many qualities and I thought he was good today but he is more of a runner and an 8 than someone who will dictate a game.
Obviously we tried for Hackney but who was the alternative to him because we have nobody who plays a role like he does. [Post edited 19 Apr 22:45]
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We also don't really have any backups in midfield, plus our glaring lack of a firing number nine (or rather two of them). Cajuste and Akpom have been especially disappointing, and Neil to a lesser extent. Away at in quick succession against two clubs who will be fighting tooth and nail doesn't fill me with much confidence, because we seem to be running on fumes now. It's obviously far from over but we will need a bit of luck as well as guts now. |  |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:50 - Apr 20 with 785 views | witchdoctor |
what gets on my tits is the way we always seem to back off attacking players invariably making a last ditch block in the box… |  | | |
| Agreed on 07:57 - Apr 20 with 749 views | Herbivore |
| Agreed on 07:50 - Apr 20 by Dyland |
We also don't really have any backups in midfield, plus our glaring lack of a firing number nine (or rather two of them). Cajuste and Akpom have been especially disappointing, and Neil to a lesser extent. Away at in quick succession against two clubs who will be fighting tooth and nail doesn't fill me with much confidence, because we seem to be running on fumes now. It's obviously far from over but we will need a bit of luck as well as guts now. |
Yep. For all the talk of squad depth we've been hampered by far too many in the squad not performing well enough to be trusted to rotate in to give others a breather. Cajuste and Neil are the biggest disappointment as both should be plenty good enough for this level but we're heavily relying on Matusiwa and Taylor, who both look knackered, because the other two aren't capable of stepping up.
The injuries to Philogene, Nunez, and Burns also haven't helped us much. Philogene and Nunez being out meant Mehmeti and Clarke being overused even when not playing well, with not much cover for them. Burns being out has left us short of quality on the right, fair play to McAteer that he's started to step up in recent weeks but it's come later than we'd like and Walle Egeli still looks out of form as our cover in that part of the pitch. Akpom has, being blunt, been a waste of a squad place and can't be relied on to come in and give others some relief. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:29 - Apr 20 with 699 views | Scuzzer |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:50 - Apr 20 by witchdoctor |
what gets on my tits is the way we always seem to back off attacking players invariably making a last ditch block in the box… |
Every team does it. Its the norm nowadays. Take a look at the PL |  |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:31 - Apr 20 with 692 views | portmanking |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:45 - Apr 20 by Dubtractor |
It was very noticeable, wasn't it? High balls to that flank, on repeat, for a lot of the first half. |
Because they knew Leif's defensively vulnerable. Which he is. He was culpable for both goals yesterday. As much as he offers going forward (much of which has been blunted by Jaden or Jack in front of him), he's prone to too many defensive switch-offs when it matters. I do fear that's why he may struggle to establish himself as a PL defender long-term. | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:34 - Apr 20 with 676 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 07:47 - Apr 20 by Herbivore |
No but we didn't really have that in the seasons before this one under McKenna either and we managed okay. For all Morsy and Luongo's qualities neither of them were really playmakers. |
They werent playmakers but Morsy was a HUGE upgrade to what we have now on the ball. He very rarely gave it away and took the ball in some really tough areas and generally made us tick. Not a direct comparison to Hackney or Morris but certainly a profile of player we are missing. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:34 - Apr 20 with 667 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:31 - Apr 20 by portmanking |
Because they knew Leif's defensively vulnerable. Which he is. He was culpable for both goals yesterday. As much as he offers going forward (much of which has been blunted by Jaden or Jack in front of him), he's prone to too many defensive switch-offs when it matters. I do fear that's why he may struggle to establish himself as a PL defender long-term. |
with his assist stat there is one reason why prem clubs didn't come in for him. with his sort of engine and ability to get up and back...... his defensive weaknesses are what stops him being poached.
Apart from qpr, i'd play johnson from the start and perhaps davis can be a finisher for fresh legs against tiring fullbacks. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:35 - Apr 20 with 661 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:31 - Apr 20 by portmanking |
Because they knew Leif's defensively vulnerable. Which he is. He was culpable for both goals yesterday. As much as he offers going forward (much of which has been blunted by Jaden or Jack in front of him), he's prone to too many defensive switch-offs when it matters. I do fear that's why he may struggle to establish himself as a PL defender long-term. |
He would be mustard at wing back with 3 Centre backs behind him. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:35 - Apr 20 with 665 views | portmanking |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:34 - Apr 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
They werent playmakers but Morsy was a HUGE upgrade to what we have now on the ball. He very rarely gave it away and took the ball in some really tough areas and generally made us tick. Not a direct comparison to Hackney or Morris but certainly a profile of player we are missing. |
This. 1000%. We have no player in the double pivot that's comfy playing on the half turn, which has been a serious issue all season. Especially when coming up against sides that adopt a man-for-man system. | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:36 - Apr 20 with 657 views | portmanking |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:35 - Apr 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He would be mustard at wing back with 3 Centre backs behind him. |
Yes, agreed. I never feel safe with him as a traditional full back in a 4. | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:41 - Apr 20 with 634 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:35 - Apr 20 by portmanking |
This. 1000%. We have no player in the double pivot that's comfy playing on the half turn, which has been a serious issue all season. Especially when coming up against sides that adopt a man-for-man system. |
Yep. I am not someone who moans about playing out from the back, the complete opposite normally. This season has been a scary watch at times. Matusiwa frightens the life out of me on the ball. I don't trust his touch and his first time passing seems to always be bit heavy. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:43 - Apr 20 with 619 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:41 - Apr 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Yep. I am not someone who moans about playing out from the back, the complete opposite normally. This season has been a scary watch at times. Matusiwa frightens the life out of me on the ball. I don't trust his touch and his first time passing seems to always be bit heavy. |
This is why coming to the business end you wanna say fk the pivot. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:47 - Apr 20 with 600 views | portmanking |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:41 - Apr 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Yep. I am not someone who moans about playing out from the back, the complete opposite normally. This season has been a scary watch at times. Matusiwa frightens the life out of me on the ball. I don't trust his touch and his first time passing seems to always be bit heavy. |
Yes, too true. I love McKenna's style as much as the next person. But it doesn't really suit the make-up of our midfielders right now. As you say, a Morsy alongside Matusiwa could've been sensational in baiting and beating the press. | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 09:41 - Apr 20 with 506 views | LeoMuff |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 08:47 - Apr 20 by portmanking |
Yes, too true. I love McKenna's style as much as the next person. But it doesn't really suit the make-up of our midfielders right now. As you say, a Morsy alongside Matusiwa could've been sensational in baiting and beating the press. |
Yep, we should have had him back. |  |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 10:27 - Apr 20 with 420 views | mellowblue |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 22:44 - Apr 19 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I think its more a personnel issue tbh.
I just think we lack a player in midfield that the game can run through. Today when Boro went 2-1 up the game ran through Morris, he dictated the tempo, he was threading balls through and generally just keeping them ticking.
I have though a lot this season when we start to lose control of the game we dont have anyone who can wrestle it back and put their foot on the ball like a Hackney or a Morris or even a Grimes for Cov. Azor has very many qualities, on the ball he isn't great. Taylor has many qualities and I thought he was good today but he is more of a runner and an 8 than someone who will dictate a game.
Obviously we tried for Hackney but who was the alternative to him because we have nobody who plays a role like he does. [Post edited 19 Apr 22:45]
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Morris was excellent, ran the midfield show. If this was a standard Morris game, would buy him in a heartbeat. Far superior to anyone we have. As you say kept it ticking, box to box, give and go to space to receive it back, combatative and feisty. Ticks all the boxes. Azor has been lauded by many but has a narrow range of attributes. When Makelele type midfielders were the rage 15-20 years ago, he would have fitted in well. Currently midfielders have to be much more multi-purpose. | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 10:51 - Apr 20 with 387 views | portmanking |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 10:27 - Apr 20 by mellowblue |
Morris was excellent, ran the midfield show. If this was a standard Morris game, would buy him in a heartbeat. Far superior to anyone we have. As you say kept it ticking, box to box, give and go to space to receive it back, combatative and feisty. Ticks all the boxes. Azor has been lauded by many but has a narrow range of attributes. When Makelele type midfielders were the rage 15-20 years ago, he would have fitted in well. Currently midfielders have to be much more multi-purpose. |
That's a really good assessment. As good as Matusiwa has been for us, his game is more limited than some would have you believe. He's an exceptional one-v-one midfielder and elite in his duels and positional sense, but on the ball leaves an awful lot to be desired.
One of the main reasons we see O'Shea and Furlong on the ball so much is that Matusiwa doesn't create the right passing angles or lanes for Dara to play through to him and beat the press. I don't know whether that's because he doesn't want to or can't.
Morris is definitely a good player and, I'm led to believe, we enquired about him after Hackney turned us down. | | | |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 10:52 - Apr 20 with 383 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 10:27 - Apr 20 by mellowblue |
Morris was excellent, ran the midfield show. If this was a standard Morris game, would buy him in a heartbeat. Far superior to anyone we have. As you say kept it ticking, box to box, give and go to space to receive it back, combatative and feisty. Ticks all the boxes. Azor has been lauded by many but has a narrow range of attributes. When Makelele type midfielders were the rage 15-20 years ago, he would have fitted in well. Currently midfielders have to be much more multi-purpose. |
Morris has been that good all season. You could make a fair argument he has been better than Hackney.
Boro are likely to have all of Hackney, Morris and Mcgree fit for the playoffs. That is a scary thought. | |
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| Are different tactics needed ? on 11:18 - Apr 20 with 325 views | Tattered_and_Torn |
| Are different tactics needed ? on 10:52 - Apr 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Morris has been that good all season. You could make a fair argument he has been better than Hackney.
Boro are likely to have all of Hackney, Morris and Mcgree fit for the playoffs. That is a scary thought. |
If you want something that looks a bit less vulnerable and allows Leif to get forward without as much risk then maybe a 3-4-3 variation like this might work. Obviously it's taking out one of the attacking four for an extra centre back to allow Davis that freedom. This then leaves lots of potential choices for those front three spots as most of the squad plays there - so you can use subs to change it up or debate the starting three as you see fit. Not 100pc sure of the best two to pick from Kipre, Furlong and Johnson at RCB and RWB. Thinking back to the early days under KMc of Donacien playing as a roving RCB too, which was great fun at the time... that could be a job for Furlong.
______________AZON_____________
________CLARKE MCATEER________
DAVIS MATUSIWA TAYLOR JOHNSON
_____GREAVES O'SHEA KIPRE______
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