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Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 09:17 - Apr 26 by darkhorse28
I don’t think anyone is fuming, I think they wanted more performance wise, based on the investment, and I think they likely measure us realistically.
We’ll have maybe 9 points more than Micks okay off team, probably the same less than our own McKenna legacy side and maybe 15 or more short of a Burnley side now relegated, and Coventry who spent about 10% of what we have (maybe less).
They aren’t thinking will we go up and everything be Rosie in the garden.
They see that we’ve regressed since we had resources, we don’t measure up well against any of the competition in the league above, Leeds, Sunderland (aren’t a legacy club) and unless we develop very quickly (year six) then we won’t achieve our actual objective, to be established in the prem.
Surely that’s the goal? With resources, to actually compete in that league, and we might, that’s to be written, but nobody that’s watched us. And I’d vaguely objective, would think we could, we’ve been v poor relative to that level. Again yesterday…, that’s where we are, mid table on away form, and that’s about right.
No point pretending that isn’t the case. But promotion IS pivotal, it’s three more years of resources where whatever happens we can invest on and off the pitch.
Shame it empowers Mark. He’s miles off good enough.
Fwiw I think there is a very very good chance promotion will be Ashton’s swan song. It’s five years now and it would be a great chance to freshen up the C level of the club and move on him, Werhun and one or two others.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Could also say happy 45th (and a day) anniversary of us beating Man City in the league, fighting for the title, and just over a week away from the first leg of the UEFA cup final.
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Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 09:30 - Apr 26 with 170 views
Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:29 - Apr 20 by homer_123
I think that is a wider societal situation.
Success to you is bearing Northampton.
I’d worry when you started supporting us if you think playing them is normal for us, it’s not, ever has been, hopefully never will be. If third division is your expectation, you clearly started in the Lambert years…, you missed decades of fun. Never playing any side in the third division almost ever.
We won trophies too. Three of them. And even in the second division. Often had hope and at times resources…, we signed ex England players. Won games, rarely had cup runs, but could say we were sl its in the top 50 teams and the championship is the fifth ranked league in the world.
I don’t recognise the third division and about 2% of our clubs history as ‘normal’ or ‘aspirational’
You have to go back years to find results they make you feel ‘safe’
All very sad.
I’d rather lose to Real Madrid and be thankful we’re playing them. Then hope we play Cheltenham and win a game.
When you pay your manager more than 99% in world football, and spent QUARTER OF A BILLION on players. Dreaming of a trip to forest green to avoid losing games, doesn’t really cut it.
At that point, like it or not, you’re in with the big spenders. And need to be measured accordingly.
So McKenna and Ashton, measured by promotions, are elite in the EFL, measured against the league above and resources, are poor, and have it all to prove if we go up.
Both are true, and the gap, that Sunderland and Leeds etc bridged, for them, looks vast. That’s the measure. Leeds. Sunderland, Burnley, Coventry, Milwall, Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth.
Not Cheltenham.
Imagine been so terrified of Sunderland. No legacy payments or players. Just better decision making and coaching. Coventry the same. Burnley too.
Is that why you don’t like comparison? It makes you feel bad?
We are measured against those and that’s great. And if Ashton and McKenna can’t compete with Sunderland or Coventry, or Burnley or many others. They aren’t good enough, and no EFL success changes that.
5th best league is just that. 5th.
We might be in the 1st best soon…, lovely challenge - Ashton isn’t good enough, that will be part of the challenge - embrace it…, don’t jump on a bus to Cheltenham.
If we get humbled and you were wrong about Ashton and McKenna that won’t change the recent success, move forwards. The finances will give us huge opportunities to grow.
You’ll need the big boy pants though…, change is often required to develop, imagine how uncomfortable that’s going to make you feel.
We can be elite again.
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Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 09:49 - Apr 26 with 152 views
Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 15:30 - Apr 20 by jasondozzell
If your expectation is that we should have won the league by clear points gap then I think that's crazy. Of course we should be competitive, which we have been. But it's not a video game. There's no divine right to be first. I think KM has done a brilliant job in tricky circumstances.
A season like Coventry's was not an unfair expectation. The fact we haven't managed it, and sit nine points off (could be twelve by 2pm) is going to raise questions about performances on and off the pitch. As someone else said, it could be much worse. But it could be better as well. Hopefully we'll go up and have a proper reassessment of where we are to take on the Premier League.
Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 12:17 - Apr 26 by pointofblue
A season like Coventry's was not an unfair expectation. The fact we haven't managed it, and sit nine points off (could be twelve by 2pm) is going to raise questions about performances on and off the pitch. As someone else said, it could be much worse. But it could be better as well. Hopefully we'll go up and have a proper reassessment of where we are to take on the Premier League.
Just about the most bonkers thing I've seen on here. 'it could be worse'. Jesus Christ.
Happy 5 years since we lost 3-0 at Northampton day on 12:46 - Apr 26 by jasondozzell
Just about the most bonkers thing I've seen on here. 'it could be worse'. Jesus Christ.
The entitlement is off the scale.
Reach my post again - I didn't say exactly that. That makes me sound dismissive and shrugging my shoulders about it all. This season could have been much worse. Much much worse. We could be in Leicester's position. We're not, and that's something to be bothered happy and relieved about. But could it have been better too? I'd say yes, it could have been. Should? That's where entitlement comes in.
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