| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... 20:52 - Apr 25 with 3640 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
guarantee promotion from the final 2 matches.
Fans were excited, the mood was amazing and most believed great things could and would happen and got 100% behind the team.
The difference in mood this season, considering we require 3 points from the last 2 games is worlds apart.
Aren't fans weird!? |  |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 20:56 - Apr 25 with 2854 views | GlasgowBlue |
This time two years ago we were playing well. Norwich aside, when did we play well and win? Swansea, back in February.
That said, I believe we will get the three points we need to be promoted. |  |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 20:57 - Apr 25 with 2852 views | nrb1985 |
No, not really.
Happiness = reality - expectations.
Given the financial outlay and the quality of the league this year, fans (rightly or wrongly) had expectations of winning the league and being in the position Cov are in. |  | | |
| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 21:00 - Apr 25 with 2807 views | SitfcB |
We hadn’t been in the Premier League for 22 years though, the 2024 promotion is incomparable to anything that’ll ever happen again. The back to back element was also a massive factor.
That said the fans should still be excited and happy with the position we find ourselves in. |  |
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No, not really.
Happiness = reality - expectations.
Given the financial outlay and the quality of the league this year, fans (rightly or wrongly) had expectations of winning the league and being in the position Cov are in. |
Financial out lay? I recall selling more tha buyiing in fees |  |
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Financial out lay? I recall selling more tha buyiing in fees |
I don't know if you're being deliberately silly here but just to be clear;
The transfer fees, loan fees and wages of this team absolutely dwarf that of the 23/24 team.
Somebody who's good at this stuff can I'm sure look up the accounts but I would imagine our wage bill alone is currently 2-4x, maybe more, what it was in 23/24. [Post edited 25 Apr 21:04]
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 21:04 - Apr 25 by nrb1985 |
I don't know if you're being deliberately silly here but just to be clear;
The transfer fees, loan fees and wages of this team absolutely dwarf that of the 23/24 team.
Somebody who's good at this stuff can I'm sure look up the accounts but I would imagine our wage bill alone is currently 2-4x, maybe more, what it was in 23/24. [Post edited 25 Apr 21:04]
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Of course we are off the back of a season in the prem vs league 1.
People keep saying we should be better, play better football etx.
It’s been a rebuild with our stars being sold. Top 3 is par imho all things considered | |
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Of course we are off the back of a season in the prem vs league 1.
People keep saying we should be better, play better football etx.
It’s been a rebuild with our stars being sold. Top 3 is par imho all things considered |
Yeah cool, whatever.
That's not the original point you challenged though is it, re how much this squad cost to assemble - which is eye watering compared to our recent past.
As such, expectations all round were elevated, especially then when you layer in the quality of the league this year too. [Post edited 25 Apr 21:17]
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 22:00 - Apr 25 with 2320 views | RetroBlue |
OP: I think difference between then and now is how the two teams/ squad's are playing. This current one doesn't appear to have the same mental / physical strength and we are looking very jittery.
Also the way the fixtures have gone this season we are definitely getting a raw deal with regards to the number of games within so many days. Most are away from home, so little time for rest due to travelling compared to our opponents. |  |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 22:02 - Apr 25 with 2308 views | SomethingBlue |
| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 20:57 - Apr 25 by nrb1985 |
No, not really.
Happiness = reality - expectations.
Given the financial outlay and the quality of the league this year, fans (rightly or wrongly) had expectations of winning the league and being in the position Cov are in. |
I didn't expect that at all. I hoped for it, as we all would have. As it is, it's highly conceivable we could be up with a game to spare. Is that not good enough for all the impressive taskmasters among us? | |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 20:57 - Apr 25 by nrb1985 |
No, not really.
Happiness = reality - expectations.
Given the financial outlay and the quality of the league this year, fans (rightly or wrongly) had expectations of winning the league and being in the position Cov are in. |
Bizarrely I'm happier about promotion this time around. I think we have a fighting chance, especially if Millwall get up in the playoffs, of actually staying up |  |
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OP: I think difference between then and now is how the two teams/ squad's are playing. This current one doesn't appear to have the same mental / physical strength and we are looking very jittery.
Also the way the fixtures have gone this season we are definitely getting a raw deal with regards to the number of games within so many days. Most are away from home, so little time for rest due to travelling compared to our opponents. |
It's a shame, though. I'm sure mental framing has a massive part to play. We were promoted from L1, not expecting to do anything but survive, and we mounted an amazing - albeit very imperfect - campaign and got promoted.
But this was two years premature to the plan, which forced our hand to purchase riskily to try to survive.
I think, now, if we are being objective, there IS more strength in depth, but the wholesale changes we had to make to get there have affected team fluidity and connection.
To achieve promotion despite not having that galvanised, close knit team that was essentially together since L1, is still something to celebrate. | |
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 22:43 - Apr 25 with 2067 views | FrimleyBlue |
Promotion back then wasn't even a thought at the beginning of the season. If we got it amazing if we didnt wow what a season still
This season promotion is a minium expectation and if not for a pss poor first month wed have already got it really. But it does come down to trust. Results and form show we should be ok. But our actual performance levels recently have been incredibly poor ls are incits difficult to trust us going into any game regardless of the actual form. But results are all that matters
For every nodge performance weve had a pompy one.
We've had boro and then a poor charlton one
Today wasnt amazing. Tues we dont know yet
So next saturday... it should should be a win. But we thought that v charlton at home.
This side isnt beaten by many sides. But its beaten by itself often. [Post edited 26 Apr 0:42]
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This time two years ago we were playing well. Norwich aside, when did we play well and win? Swansea, back in February.
That said, I believe we will get the three points we need to be promoted. |
That’s not really true is it. Two years ago, following the Southampton win, which let’s be fair could have easily been a draw or even a defeat, we lost the away Derby, then struggled to two home draws.. We eventually found form, in the final three games, but we we weren’t at our fluidity best in that run in. |  | | |
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We've been much more pragmatic and mostly reliable this season.
We're not as cavalier as 2 years ago. But so far we're getting the job done.
We're almost there again! We're in a great position.
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| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 23:05 - Apr 25 with 1971 views | Churchman |
| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 20:56 - Apr 25 by GlasgowBlue |
This time two years ago we were playing well. Norwich aside, when did we play well and win? Swansea, back in February.
That said, I believe we will get the three points we need to be promoted. |
I gave the rundown of April 24. We actually weren’t playing that well. A streaky second best win over Saints, great though it was. Well beaten at Norwich, two barely deserved home draws and a free for all draw at Hull. Last day of April a scrambled defining win at Coventry. So six games, 2 wins 3 draws and 1 loss. It’s how it was however much the history rewriters wish to see it. Results ground out.
This season April to date, six fixtures, 3 wins 2 draws 1 loss. 1 April game to play, 5 from the 7 will have been away fixtures.
For a high percentage on here, no credit due, no realistic comparison to how it actually was. Why? Because a high percentage of so called supporters on here hate the players, the team the club.
‘Give me my club back’. Better under goodness knows who? The players cost money (really? Wish somebody had told me). One hero even posted early this morning how much he hates the team. Four hours before a critical game. If that’s a supporter I’m King Kong.
We were brilliant every week two years ago. We really weren’t. We were in patches, solid in others, shaky in some (e.g. lucky to get anything from Plymouth at home) the irony being after today’s dismal crushing defeat people forget WBA played us off the pitch two seasons ago at the Hawthorns and for 70 mins at PR too. And let’s not forget many of that side were Cook’s players abused at Charlton, Bristol Rovers and Oxford in the fog.
The entitlement on here with some is astonishing. I’m glad it’s different in the ground. Now I read ‘Ashton’s’ signings (despite approval by McKenna) aren’t good enough for the PL. well if we succeed we will find out. Personally I think that despite obvious gaps, we have 7 or 8 that can play at that level and who individually are better players than their predecessors.
But that’s irrelevant. It’s about the next 7 days. I hope we do it and I think, unlike on Monday, that the odds are now in our favour. |  | | |
| This time 2 years ago, we had just drawn with Hull and needed 4 points to.... on 23:13 - Apr 25 with 1916 views | positivity |
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This time two years ago we were playing well. Norwich aside, when did we play well and win? Swansea, back in February.
That said, I believe we will get the three points we need to be promoted. |
we weren't playing that well, we lost to norwich and followed that up with 3 draws (2 dismal home ones)!
imagine if we'd have gone 4 games without a win at this stage of this season! | |
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We hadn’t been in the Premier League for 22 years though, the 2024 promotion is incomparable to anything that’ll ever happen again. The back to back element was also a massive factor.
That said the fans should still be excited and happy with the position we find ourselves in. |
23/24 was once in a lifetime.
We've now got a load of fans who returned after success came back who expect that everytime..
Depressing. [Post edited 25 Apr 23:20]
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we weren't playing that well, we lost to norwich and followed that up with 3 draws (2 dismal home ones)!
imagine if we'd have gone 4 games without a win at this stage of this season! |
For goodness sake don’t tell the history re-writers that. Four games without a win this season and Hoover /Indesit/ Candy profits would have gone through the roof.
Oh and let’s not mention that had it not been for Leeds imploding (aggregate 8-3 v us) for no apparent reason (they were the best team I saw that season by a mile, followed by Saints at PR), it would have been play offs and probable heroic loss to Southampton. | | | |
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For goodness sake don’t tell the history re-writers that. Four games without a win this season and Hoover /Indesit/ Candy profits would have gone through the roof.
Oh and let’s not mention that had it not been for Leeds imploding (aggregate 8-3 v us) for no apparent reason (they were the best team I saw that season by a mile, followed by Saints at PR), it would have been play offs and probable heroic loss to Southampton. |
I think a lot of the feelings from the promotion year comes from some of the moments we had.. The sarmiento goal, Davis v bristol was it? memories made from those imo make that promotion year look so much nicer than it was from a footballing sense.
I mentioned a few months ago that i felt we had similar performances to this season in that we ground out some results. I think the difference is in that season, we had a handful of proper results, this season we haven't but probably should have had when you think of the 70 + clear cut chances missed by our side. That's a lot of goals not scored and vastly different scorelines.
The thing is at this level, you dont NEED to flourish performance wise every week, it helps of course, but it doesn;t bring you everything. Boro had a shocker of a month yet every week they were still having something like 3xg but just couldn't score a goal, now whittakers back he's banging them in now. ( Swear he didn't score until we played them away? ) | |
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I think a lot of the feelings from the promotion year comes from some of the moments we had.. The sarmiento goal, Davis v bristol was it? memories made from those imo make that promotion year look so much nicer than it was from a footballing sense.
I mentioned a few months ago that i felt we had similar performances to this season in that we ground out some results. I think the difference is in that season, we had a handful of proper results, this season we haven't but probably should have had when you think of the 70 + clear cut chances missed by our side. That's a lot of goals not scored and vastly different scorelines.
The thing is at this level, you dont NEED to flourish performance wise every week, it helps of course, but it doesn;t bring you everything. Boro had a shocker of a month yet every week they were still having something like 3xg but just couldn't score a goal, now whittakers back he's banging them in now. ( Swear he didn't score until we played them away? ) |
what do you call a "proper result"? | |
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what do you call a "proper result"? |
Something like a 2-0 3-0 win, or maybe a 3-1
something where you watch the game and are actually able to relax when doing so lol.
But it could also be a 2-1 win or those 3-2 ones, but we've won from behind. Wasnt it something like 21 points won from going behind in that season? almost like we gave them a headstart in most games.
Think that's why this season feels so different, if we score the first goal i think weve won all of those games this season, but those 70+ misses have stopped those scorelines from being excellently comfortable results which imo would have changed a lot of feelings of this season. And it took 3 qtrs of the season before we managed to get a win from going behind.
I don;t see a massive different in performance levels between the two seasons, we were more clinical that season but we also shipped in goals for fun at times, which is different this season where we don't concede a lot, but we seem to concede a lot of goals ourselves rather than actually being cut through.
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Something like a 2-0 3-0 win, or maybe a 3-1
something where you watch the game and are actually able to relax when doing so lol.
But it could also be a 2-1 win or those 3-2 ones, but we've won from behind. Wasnt it something like 21 points won from going behind in that season? almost like we gave them a headstart in most games.
Think that's why this season feels so different, if we score the first goal i think weve won all of those games this season, but those 70+ misses have stopped those scorelines from being excellently comfortable results which imo would have changed a lot of feelings of this season. And it took 3 qtrs of the season before we managed to get a win from going behind.
I don;t see a massive different in performance levels between the two seasons, we were more clinical that season but we also shipped in goals for fun at times, which is different this season where we don't concede a lot, but we seem to concede a lot of goals ourselves rather than actually being cut through.
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Frimmers cmon
Do you realise how entitled that sounds?
No divine right to win any game let alone by a scoreline of your preference | | | |
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Something like a 2-0 3-0 win, or maybe a 3-1
something where you watch the game and are actually able to relax when doing so lol.
But it could also be a 2-1 win or those 3-2 ones, but we've won from behind. Wasnt it something like 21 points won from going behind in that season? almost like we gave them a headstart in most games.
Think that's why this season feels so different, if we score the first goal i think weve won all of those games this season, but those 70+ misses have stopped those scorelines from being excellently comfortable results which imo would have changed a lot of feelings of this season. And it took 3 qtrs of the season before we managed to get a win from going behind.
I don;t see a massive different in performance levels between the two seasons, we were more clinical that season but we also shipped in goals for fun at times, which is different this season where we don't concede a lot, but we seem to concede a lot of goals ourselves rather than actually being cut through.
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we've had a higher proportion of your proper results this season than in 2023-24, think it's your mind playing tricks on you.
we were far more likely to win 1-0/2-1 last time [Post edited 25 Apr 23:50]
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I think a lot of the feelings from the promotion year comes from some of the moments we had.. The sarmiento goal, Davis v bristol was it? memories made from those imo make that promotion year look so much nicer than it was from a footballing sense.
I mentioned a few months ago that i felt we had similar performances to this season in that we ground out some results. I think the difference is in that season, we had a handful of proper results, this season we haven't but probably should have had when you think of the 70 + clear cut chances missed by our side. That's a lot of goals not scored and vastly different scorelines.
The thing is at this level, you dont NEED to flourish performance wise every week, it helps of course, but it doesn;t bring you everything. Boro had a shocker of a month yet every week they were still having something like 3xg but just couldn't score a goal, now whittakers back he's banging them in now. ( Swear he didn't score until we played them away? ) |
You can’t look at our missed big chances in isolation with an implication that we’d have had better results, and be in a better position. Most missed big chances is by Southampton, with Millwall just behind.
The better teams will be creating the most big chances, and therefore typically missing more, as they will never all be converted by a long way. | | | |
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Frimmers cmon
Do you realise how entitled that sounds?
No divine right to win any game let alone by a scoreline of your preference |
I don't really see how you're coming to that conclusion. I was simply comparing the seasons and why I feel this season 'feels' different to that season.
We've had the opportunity to get some better scorelines this season, that's not me being entitled to say that JD, that's just fact, over 70 clear cut chances missed. That's massive JD.
You score half of those and the feeling of this season would be vastly different imo | |
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