| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) 20:45 - May 17 with 3889 views | MaySixth |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 20:51 - May 17 with 2518 views | Chris_ITFC |
Agreed, too much mediocrity. We should’ve been promoted FOUR times in four years if you ask me. |  |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 20:56 - May 17 with 2475 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 20:51 - May 17 by Chris_ITFC |
Agreed, too much mediocrity. We should’ve been promoted FOUR times in four years if you ask me. |
Whilst you jest
This summer will be quite an interesting insight really into our recruitment set up and its ability to compete at an Elite level
It's one thing spending money and buying the better players for champ and league 1, but we've had one attempt so far with the prem recruitment which wasn't the best.
We've had 5 years now to sort out the recruitment set up behind the scenes.
This window will be interesting |  |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:10 - May 17 with 2407 views | BlueBadger |
You want Ashton out because you think he buys bad players.
I want Ashton out because he cosies up to traitorous fascist grifters and lies about it.
We are not the same. |  |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:12 - May 17 with 2368 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 20:56 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst you jest
This summer will be quite an interesting insight really into our recruitment set up and its ability to compete at an Elite level
It's one thing spending money and buying the better players for champ and league 1, but we've had one attempt so far with the prem recruitment which wasn't the best.
We've had 5 years now to sort out the recruitment set up behind the scenes.
This window will be interesting |
Great speech Frimmers.
Like the last season seemed really long, this pre season will seem even longer.
Spoiler for you.... we wont be competing at Elite level just yet, so dont get your hopes up. We haven't had 5 years to sort it, we've had 2 max.
Realistically we need to be much better this time round and hopefully we will be. |  | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:13 - May 17 with 2366 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 20:51 - May 17 by Chris_ITFC |
Agreed, too much mediocrity. We should’ve been promoted FOUR times in four years if you ask me. |
He’s made some horrific deals though and clearly loves the control, let’s hope the scouts are doing the leg work this time. [Post edited 17 May 21:14]
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:14 - May 17 with 2355 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:10 - May 17 by BlueBadger |
You want Ashton out because you think he buys bad players.
I want Ashton out because he cosies up to traitorous fascist grifters and lies about it.
We are not the same. |
At a guess I would imagine he is very very happy about that last line.
I would be | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:19 - May 17 with 2314 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:12 - May 17 by waveneyblue |
Great speech Frimmers.
Like the last season seemed really long, this pre season will seem even longer.
Spoiler for you.... we wont be competing at Elite level just yet, so dont get your hopes up. We haven't had 5 years to sort it, we've had 2 max.
Realistically we need to be much better this time round and hopefully we will be. |
I Love the idea that pops up in that we haven't had 5 years, we have. We may have decided to park that side of the football club for the first few seasons, but to say we've only had 2 years to do it isn't correct imo.
We went into the prem unprepared utilising the brighton data base, and then not being able to use it once we are there. So yeah this time round will be interesting to see how our recruitment efforts have come on.
To say we won't be competing at elite level yet, that's exactly what we need to be doing considering our hopes for the season was promotion back to the premier league.
We're paying out elite salaries on manager, ceo and training ground etc absolutely we should be recruiting at an elite level to match that. [Post edited 17 May 21:20]
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:27 - May 17 with 2249 views | portmanking |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:19 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I Love the idea that pops up in that we haven't had 5 years, we have. We may have decided to park that side of the football club for the first few seasons, but to say we've only had 2 years to do it isn't correct imo.
We went into the prem unprepared utilising the brighton data base, and then not being able to use it once we are there. So yeah this time round will be interesting to see how our recruitment efforts have come on.
To say we won't be competing at elite level yet, that's exactly what we need to be doing considering our hopes for the season was promotion back to the premier league.
We're paying out elite salaries on manager, ceo and training ground etc absolutely we should be recruiting at an elite level to match that. [Post edited 17 May 21:20]
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This is gonna be a long f*king summer if you keep on like this (again).
In what world does a promotion-chasing League 1 club successfully build an 'elite' recruitment department? We weren't even expecting promotion in 23/24, so we wouldn't have been looking to compete with parachute clubs even at that stage. This is not Football Manager. You can't just click a button and top scouts and networks appear. [Post edited 17 May 21:28]
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:33 - May 17 with 2190 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:19 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I Love the idea that pops up in that we haven't had 5 years, we have. We may have decided to park that side of the football club for the first few seasons, but to say we've only had 2 years to do it isn't correct imo.
We went into the prem unprepared utilising the brighton data base, and then not being able to use it once we are there. So yeah this time round will be interesting to see how our recruitment efforts have come on.
To say we won't be competing at elite level yet, that's exactly what we need to be doing considering our hopes for the season was promotion back to the premier league.
We're paying out elite salaries on manager, ceo and training ground etc absolutely we should be recruiting at an elite level to match that. [Post edited 17 May 21:20]
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We have basically appointed two/three very long term experienced Manchester United scouts. While that club was obviously fishing in a bit of a different pond to what even we are now (and must be said, United have had some questionable acquisitions over the years). It at least brings some very experienced international scouts with global experience into the club. | |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:39 - May 17 with 2158 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:27 - May 17 by portmanking |
This is gonna be a long f*king summer if you keep on like this (again).
In what world does a promotion-chasing League 1 club successfully build an 'elite' recruitment department? We weren't even expecting promotion in 23/24, so we wouldn't have been looking to compete with parachute clubs even at that stage. This is not Football Manager. You can't just click a button and top scouts and networks appear. [Post edited 17 May 21:28]
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If i keep on like what, i've barely said anything about it. im literally just replying to other peoples posts based on the op. Thought that was better than just jumping on a bandwagon and saying yeah keep ashton out of it.
BTW no one has said anything about clicking a button, but we spent quite a bit of time contemplating who was going to run recruitment, no one was expecting elite level recruitment when chasing a league 1 promotion but we had someone joining who didn't join, then someone joined, and then left. It seemed rather messy.
But to say we've only had 2 years to be prepared for this imo is wrong. The foundations could and should have been set in year one onwards, i think that is entirely fair to say tbh. But im happy for others to disagree. | |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:45 - May 17 with 2134 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:19 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
I Love the idea that pops up in that we haven't had 5 years, we have. We may have decided to park that side of the football club for the first few seasons, but to say we've only had 2 years to do it isn't correct imo.
We went into the prem unprepared utilising the brighton data base, and then not being able to use it once we are there. So yeah this time round will be interesting to see how our recruitment efforts have come on.
To say we won't be competing at elite level yet, that's exactly what we need to be doing considering our hopes for the season was promotion back to the premier league.
We're paying out elite salaries on manager, ceo and training ground etc absolutely we should be recruiting at an elite level to match that. [Post edited 17 May 21:20]
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We absolutely havent had 5 years, you are being ridiculous.
We've been on an almost unprecedented journey. Don't try to pretend we havent
We have to be better this time, but I also dont subscribe to the recruitment has been crap narrative. It clearly hasnt as we are back in the top league at first time of asking.
Its got to be better this time, as there are less excuses. | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:48 - May 17 with 2133 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 20:56 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Whilst you jest
This summer will be quite an interesting insight really into our recruitment set up and its ability to compete at an Elite level
It's one thing spending money and buying the better players for champ and league 1, but we've had one attempt so far with the prem recruitment which wasn't the best.
We've had 5 years now to sort out the recruitment set up behind the scenes.
This window will be interesting |
Like you, I expect to see a change / expansion in our recruitment. However, it’s not 5 years that we’ve had to build a recruitment infrastructure that is fit for purpose in the PL. What you need as a L1 or Championship club is very different.
You don’t (and can’t) go to the expense of a tier 1 recruitment backroom until you’re pretty confident that you’re going to need it. As we have forward looking owners, I’d like to think that they saw the speed of our rise, and committed to building the next phase of our recruitment infrastructure at the beginning of 2024. Certainly no later than when promotion to the PL was confirmed - so 2 to 2 1/2 years is more realistic. We should still see benefits from that this summer. | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:49 - May 17 with 2113 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:45 - May 17 by waveneyblue |
We absolutely havent had 5 years, you are being ridiculous.
We've been on an almost unprecedented journey. Don't try to pretend we havent
We have to be better this time, but I also dont subscribe to the recruitment has been crap narrative. It clearly hasnt as we are back in the top league at first time of asking.
Its got to be better this time, as there are less excuses. |
As I said to the other poster, im happy for you to disagree, I feel we took to long to get our recruitment set up going and will always stand by that.
I didn't really say anything above about the recruitment being crap itself, it;s been mixed like most clubs. But for the prem it needs to be a different bag to what we did last time here, that i feel we all agree and for that to happen it needs to be elite level recruitment. | |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:49 - May 17 with 2113 views | portmanking |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:39 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
If i keep on like what, i've barely said anything about it. im literally just replying to other peoples posts based on the op. Thought that was better than just jumping on a bandwagon and saying yeah keep ashton out of it.
BTW no one has said anything about clicking a button, but we spent quite a bit of time contemplating who was going to run recruitment, no one was expecting elite level recruitment when chasing a league 1 promotion but we had someone joining who didn't join, then someone joined, and then left. It seemed rather messy.
But to say we've only had 2 years to be prepared for this imo is wrong. The foundations could and should have been set in year one onwards, i think that is entirely fair to say tbh. But im happy for others to disagree. |
If you keep on talking hyperbolic nonsense.
How on *earth* did you expect the foundations for 'elite' recruitment analysis to be set as a top 10 League One club? Every penny of our budget went on the here and now. And rightly f*king so. We needed to be out of the third tier.
There's nothing messy about it, we've been building our own department for the last 2 years since Sam Williams left.
Actually, on the subject of Sam Williams. We appointed him as our chief scout *from* Manchester United, in 21/22. Is that not an elite club to recruit from as a League 1 side that had been in managed decline? Honestly, sometimes I read your takes on Town and think football just isn't for you. | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:57 - May 17 with 2058 views | bazza |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:39 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
If i keep on like what, i've barely said anything about it. im literally just replying to other peoples posts based on the op. Thought that was better than just jumping on a bandwagon and saying yeah keep ashton out of it.
BTW no one has said anything about clicking a button, but we spent quite a bit of time contemplating who was going to run recruitment, no one was expecting elite level recruitment when chasing a league 1 promotion but we had someone joining who didn't join, then someone joined, and then left. It seemed rather messy.
But to say we've only had 2 years to be prepared for this imo is wrong. The foundations could and should have been set in year one onwards, i think that is entirely fair to say tbh. But im happy for others to disagree. |
The club was falling apart At the seams, a half empty ground In disrepair, substandard training facilities, the academy in a mess with Norwich all over Suffolk, no one could have predicted the back to back promotions in their wildest dreams, and you think we should have made our first priority elite level recruitment..oh dear. |  | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:59 - May 17 with 2034 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:49 - May 17 by portmanking |
If you keep on talking hyperbolic nonsense.
How on *earth* did you expect the foundations for 'elite' recruitment analysis to be set as a top 10 League One club? Every penny of our budget went on the here and now. And rightly f*king so. We needed to be out of the third tier.
There's nothing messy about it, we've been building our own department for the last 2 years since Sam Williams left.
Actually, on the subject of Sam Williams. We appointed him as our chief scout *from* Manchester United, in 21/22. Is that not an elite club to recruit from as a League 1 side that had been in managed decline? Honestly, sometimes I read your takes on Town and think football just isn't for you. |
Im glad its not just me. | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:01 - May 17 with 2028 views | grow_our_own |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:27 - May 17 by portmanking |
This is gonna be a long f*king summer if you keep on like this (again).
In what world does a promotion-chasing League 1 club successfully build an 'elite' recruitment department? We weren't even expecting promotion in 23/24, so we wouldn't have been looking to compete with parachute clubs even at that stage. This is not Football Manager. You can't just click a button and top scouts and networks appear. [Post edited 17 May 21:28]
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Bournemouth came almost straight from L1. Spent two seasons in the Champ and have been Prem almost ever since 2015. Fast recruitment improvement can be achieved. Under Ashton, we had two very poor windows in summer 2024 & winter 24/25. He's yet to prove he can handle the pressure as the stakes get higher. Combined with the massive discord he caused this season, that's enough reason for the owners to find new day-to-day leadership IMO. | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:16 - May 17 with 1961 views | Vic |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:39 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
If i keep on like what, i've barely said anything about it. im literally just replying to other peoples posts based on the op. Thought that was better than just jumping on a bandwagon and saying yeah keep ashton out of it.
BTW no one has said anything about clicking a button, but we spent quite a bit of time contemplating who was going to run recruitment, no one was expecting elite level recruitment when chasing a league 1 promotion but we had someone joining who didn't join, then someone joined, and then left. It seemed rather messy.
But to say we've only had 2 years to be prepared for this imo is wrong. The foundations could and should have been set in year one onwards, i think that is entirely fair to say tbh. But im happy for others to disagree. |
I think you're being overly optimistic Frimmers if you imagine that in the first couple of years we were seriously looking to get a proper scouting set up in place. The was sooo much to do and there's no way, that as intentional as we were, that they expected the progress to be as rapid as it was. They've openly said a few time now that they didn't expect to get promo in '24.
Whether you like it or not, and with respect, regardless of what you think they shoukd have done, they've only really been putting the elite scouting in place for a couple of years. |  |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:17 - May 17 with 1940 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:49 - May 17 by portmanking |
If you keep on talking hyperbolic nonsense.
How on *earth* did you expect the foundations for 'elite' recruitment analysis to be set as a top 10 League One club? Every penny of our budget went on the here and now. And rightly f*king so. We needed to be out of the third tier.
There's nothing messy about it, we've been building our own department for the last 2 years since Sam Williams left.
Actually, on the subject of Sam Williams. We appointed him as our chief scout *from* Manchester United, in 21/22. Is that not an elite club to recruit from as a League 1 side that had been in managed decline? Honestly, sometimes I read your takes on Town and think football just isn't for you. |
It's funny again how people can't stop being personal when discussing football, it's seriously so easy just to reply with respect.
I expect any new owners of a club with no recruitment set up to begin building one from day one, I don't feel we did a good enough job of this, that's my view to hold, that's ok for you not to agree. PC said upon leaving he didn't have a recruitment team even upon leaving.
Williams left to go and look after academy recruitment again, we haven't replaced him as yet and although we do have a director of recruitment, so there's a gap under him to be filled. It's getting there. | |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:18 - May 17 with 1931 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:57 - May 17 by bazza |
The club was falling apart At the seams, a half empty ground In disrepair, substandard training facilities, the academy in a mess with Norwich all over Suffolk, no one could have predicted the back to back promotions in their wildest dreams, and you think we should have made our first priority elite level recruitment..oh dear. |
No, no one has said first priority was to create elite level recruitment | |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:23 - May 17 with 1904 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:17 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
It's funny again how people can't stop being personal when discussing football, it's seriously so easy just to reply with respect.
I expect any new owners of a club with no recruitment set up to begin building one from day one, I don't feel we did a good enough job of this, that's my view to hold, that's ok for you not to agree. PC said upon leaving he didn't have a recruitment team even upon leaving.
Williams left to go and look after academy recruitment again, we haven't replaced him as yet and although we do have a director of recruitment, so there's a gap under him to be filled. It's getting there. |
Don't you see ? Its not personal, its just because you consistently come out with ridiculous hot takes.
And then when people question it, you double down.
Its a pattern | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:27 - May 17 with 1880 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:01 - May 17 by grow_our_own |
Bournemouth came almost straight from L1. Spent two seasons in the Champ and have been Prem almost ever since 2015. Fast recruitment improvement can be achieved. Under Ashton, we had two very poor windows in summer 2024 & winter 24/25. He's yet to prove he can handle the pressure as the stakes get higher. Combined with the massive discord he caused this season, that's enough reason for the owners to find new day-to-day leadership IMO. |
Yeah because football hasnt changed at all since 2015....
We know you hate Ashton and the reasons why, no need to take this route to justify it more. | | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:29 - May 17 with 1861 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:23 - May 17 by waveneyblue |
Don't you see ? Its not personal, its just because you consistently come out with ridiculous hot takes.
And then when people question it, you double down.
Its a pattern |
It is personal when jibes are thrown, I haven't replied with similar im simply accepting you don't agree whilst defending my view and showing the reasons for that view.
Of course I will double down because that's my belief and I one i'll always hold, I don't have to change my mind because you don't agree, it's no different to you doubling down on your view, that's fine and i accept that.
Back to my original reply, this summer will be interesting to see what we have learned, how much we have managed to get it elite ready which imo is what we will need to give it a real go at staying up this season. | |
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| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:32 - May 17 with 1854 views | Churchman |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 21:49 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
As I said to the other poster, im happy for you to disagree, I feel we took to long to get our recruitment set up going and will always stand by that.
I didn't really say anything above about the recruitment being crap itself, it;s been mixed like most clubs. But for the prem it needs to be a different bag to what we did last time here, that i feel we all agree and for that to happen it needs to be elite level recruitment. |
In 2021 Gamechanger bought the club in the spring and appointed a CEO from June 1st. The manager was Paul Cook. We had no scouting network, a half set of floodlights, no reception, lightbulbs, community, organisation, nothing. What we had as a tired stadium, rusty seat runners and 20 year old training facility. Poor old LO’N doing everything.
At one of the early forums they were asked about domestic and foreign scouting as well as Cat 1. International scouting? Hardly. What we did was appropriate for where we were (L1) and nobody questioned that. It was obvious.
How could you in the summer of 2022 in L1 have produced a comprehensive scouting network just like that? Anything like that surely required thought, planning and timing like any project. The various work streams at the club were in early stages and that’s where recruitment, the hardest of all, was.
Thanks to Paul Cook, the owners and some great additions by McKenna, we had a team far too strong for L1. But was it possible to immediately parachute in a proper domestic and international scouting network? Our recruitment was limited to reinforcements in January and the outcome made it the right decision.
2024/5? Were we really expected to have a network as effective as just about any other Premier club with the smallest budget, including Leicester and Southampton? Not realistic. They tried with some success and some failures.
So where are we now? After the last two seasons and so much achieved and hopefully learned, we should be in a better recruitment position and a plan should be in place. But it won’t be perfect and we are competing in the big boy league.
I don’t think recruitment has been cr@p. It’s been mixed just as one would expect. Timescales? I don’t know what a Premier League recruiting system should look like so I’ll defer that to those who know, but on pure feeling my guess is that’s more structured and professional than it was.
This club is being rebuilt almost from scratch and it’s what happens now that matters.
As for people who say ‘I wouldn’t trust Ashton with a penny’ they clearly know far more about the current recruitment process than I do and perhaps could explain it. Secondly, if we are back to knuckle dragging Bristol City ‘fact’ of ‘Ashton signings’, please could they say why they want to sign off recruitment and how the the top of the club structure should look. |  | | |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:35 - May 17 with 1834 views | waveneyblue |
| Please keep Mark Ashton away from recruitment (n/t) on 22:29 - May 17 by FrimleyBlue |
It is personal when jibes are thrown, I haven't replied with similar im simply accepting you don't agree whilst defending my view and showing the reasons for that view.
Of course I will double down because that's my belief and I one i'll always hold, I don't have to change my mind because you don't agree, it's no different to you doubling down on your view, that's fine and i accept that.
Back to my original reply, this summer will be interesting to see what we have learned, how much we have managed to get it elite ready which imo is what we will need to give it a real go at staying up this season. |
To be honest, ive got no real beef on the football stuff although I will defend the club whenever I think I can.
Im 53, I've supported the team for 40 odd years and ive witnessed 5 promotions during that time. 3 have been in the past 4 years.
Therefore I find a lot of wild criticism, very hard to take. | | | |
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