| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration 08:13 - May 21 with 1235 views | StokieBlue |
Even though this isn't the case and net migration has fallen a lot as have the number of small boat crossings, voters across the political spectrum believe that isn't the case [1].
In the specific case of asylum seekers:
"The researchers found that people believe individuals seeking asylum account for 33% of immigration, when in reality it is about 9%."
Going to be very hard for anyone to cut through that narrative by the looks of it, especially when Farage lies about the subject:
"The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, has falsely claimed the drop in net migration was largely the result of British emigration – not the fall in overseas arrivals."
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[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/wo |  |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:03 - May 21 with 246 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 12:10 - May 21 by lowhouseblue |
i posted on the other immigration thread. this one's a bit repetitious. but the sight of you lecturing others on critical thinking skills was just too good to miss. i know, i know, everyone who disagrees with you is thick. |
Ah, so you did pop on to do your usual of pointlessly having a pop at posters on the opposite end of the political spectrum to you. Excellent, at least we've established that you're a troll then. Trolling and wilful dishonesty, your other stock in trade, do go well together I guess. |  |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:12 - May 21 with 211 views | EddyJ |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:01 - May 21 by Herbivore |
But net migration has come down, that is a fact. Whether it is now at an acceptable level is something different people will hold different views about but it is true that net migration has come down. |
It is a fact. Nobody is denying that. The point is that net migration measured in yearly increments is not the thing people really care about. It is a poor metric.
Its the same with GDP per capita. That can go up, but if people don't "feel" richer, they won't be happy about it. |  | | |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:16 - May 21 with 206 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:12 - May 21 by EddyJ |
It is a fact. Nobody is denying that. The point is that net migration measured in yearly increments is not the thing people really care about. It is a poor metric.
Its the same with GDP per capita. That can go up, but if people don't "feel" richer, they won't be happy about it. |
Data doesn't capture feels though and that's not what it's there for. | |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:20 - May 21 with 196 views | EddyJ |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:16 - May 21 by Herbivore |
Data doesn't capture feels though and that's not what it's there for. |
The title of this thread is literally about "perception" of net migration.
The perception of migration is not captured in 1 year increments. But the data is. That creates a disconnect between perception and data. [Post edited 21 May 14:27]
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:26 - May 21 with 178 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 09:28 - May 21 by Radlett_blue |
We have become far more cynical as a society. This is actually very unhealthy for society - many people don't trust others, let alone politicians, people perceive violent crime is commonplace (it isn't) and given the clickbait nature of the internet driven media, it only seems likely to get worse. |
But there's a difference between cynical and ignorant. Ignorant is having all the information available to you but not bothering to look. Or, being shown it yet not caring. "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind" | | | |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:37 - May 21 with 143 views | chicoazul |
Yes indeed, Labour are literally that bad at communicating to what was once their core vote. |  |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:42 - May 21 with 133 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:20 - May 21 by EddyJ |
The title of this thread is literally about "perception" of net migration.
The perception of migration is not captured in 1 year increments. But the data is. That creates a disconnect between perception and data. [Post edited 21 May 14:27]
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I think that's a really generous interpretation of why there's a disconnect between the data on immigration and people's feelings about immigration. | |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:48 - May 21 with 119 views | JakeITFC |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:42 - May 21 by Herbivore |
I think that's a really generous interpretation of why there's a disconnect between the data on immigration and people's feelings about immigration. |
If I may, I think net migration is a measure of how many people came here last year but it doesn't tell us anything about how many migrants are here already and have stayed.
I imagine that most people who are anti-immigration are in fact anti-immigrant and therefore any positive net migration is fairly irrelevant to them (in that the horse has already bolted, so to speak).
That's why 'Stop the Boats' was always performative nonsense. |  | | |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:51 - May 21 with 115 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 14:48 - May 21 by JakeITFC |
If I may, I think net migration is a measure of how many people came here last year but it doesn't tell us anything about how many migrants are here already and have stayed.
I imagine that most people who are anti-immigration are in fact anti-immigrant and therefore any positive net migration is fairly irrelevant to them (in that the horse has already bolted, so to speak).
That's why 'Stop the Boats' was always performative nonsense. |
I don't disagree, I think a lot of the "we want lower immigration" folk don't really want lower immigration, they want no immigration and to ship some brown folk out of the country for good measure. A few of them are even bold enough to be up front about that these days but many are not. No serious political party would go down that route though but some unserious ones are promising something close and seem to be doing quite well out of it. | |
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| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 15:30 - May 21 with 81 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration on 08:21 - May 21 by Herbivore |
Hardly surprising when immigration has dominated media coverage and politics for years now, often based on half-truths or outright lies. When you create a moral panic over an issue it shouldn't come as a surprise when people hold distorted beliefs about an issue. That said, it's worrying that people's beliefs persist even when shown demonstrable evidence that shows those beliefs to be wrong. We see it on here fairly frequently. I would assume many of the people surveyed here simply haven't looked at the data so are going purely off feels, what's really worrying is when people continue to go off their feels when they've been shown evidence to the contrary. That's when a society is truly lost. |
Very well put. What's even worse is that in a lot of cases (as seen on here practically daily) it doesn't even seem to be people's own "feels", but just what they've been told they should "feel". You ask what they're actually seeing that backs up their refusal to believe the same data they believed when it said the problem was growing...nothing. You ask what they've actually seen of these millions of "fighting-age men" coming off "small boats" and disappearing into the fabric of society...nothing. You ask why there's no sign of them in the long queues at the doctors' surgeries that apparently they're directly causing...you get told that it's because when doctors' surgeries are closed for training days, it's not that they're engaged in mandatory training to keep up with the evolution of medicine, it's because those days are actually set aside for the treatment of illegal immigrants. The far right can literally say anything and they'll buy it. | | | |
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