| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic 10:16 - May 21 with 1598 views | NthQldITFC |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
Some more good solid facts for people to have a look at, and even potentially re-evaluate their feelings? |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 10:20 - May 21 with 1230 views | surreyblue |
Lets not muddy the water of political discourse with silly little things like facts and data. Didn't you know, that is what experts use to make decisions and form views, and we are all sick of them... |  | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 10:29 - May 21 with 1197 views | lowhouseblue |
this is good news. the levels under the boris wave - net migration of 2.5 million in the 4 years to dec 24 - were unsustainable and had no democratic mandate whatsoever. the current level shows just how extreme what happened in that period was. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 10:32 - May 21 with 1179 views | StokieBlue |
A bit more info around this subject here:
Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration by StokieBlue 21 May 8:13Even though this isn't the case and net migration has fallen a lot as have the number of small boat crossings, voters across the political spectrum believe that isn't the case [1].
In the specific case of asylum seekers:
"The researchers found that people believe individuals seeking asylum account for 33% of immigration, when in reality it is about 9%."
Going to be very hard for anyone to cut through that narrative by the looks of it, especially when Farage lies about the subject:
"The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, has falsely claimed the drop in net migration was largely the result of British emigration – not the fall in overseas arrivals."
SB
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[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/21/voters-across-parties-believe-uk-net-migration-is-rising-despite-sharp-drop
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:13 - May 21 with 1067 views | grow_our_own |
Facts are woke. Next you'll be telling us immigrants are net contributors to the tax purse, and hence improve housing, healthcare, etc! Pull the other one. Blame everything on immigrants! [Post edited 21 May 11:26]
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:20 - May 21 with 1045 views | Guthrum |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 10:32 - May 21 by StokieBlue |
A bit more info around this subject here:
Interesting study on the public perception of UK net migration by StokieBlue 21 May 8:13Even though this isn't the case and net migration has fallen a lot as have the number of small boat crossings, voters across the political spectrum believe that isn't the case [1].
In the specific case of asylum seekers:
"The researchers found that people believe individuals seeking asylum account for 33% of immigration, when in reality it is about 9%."
Going to be very hard for anyone to cut through that narrative by the looks of it, especially when Farage lies about the subject:
"The party’s leader, Nigel Farage, has falsely claimed the drop in net migration was largely the result of British emigration – not the fall in overseas arrivals."
SB
https://i.ibb.co/ZzVRWcvV/Screenshot-2026-05-21-080502.png
https://i.ibb.co/VWjDyh2s/Screenshot-2026-05-21-080522.png
[1]. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/21/voters-across-parties-believe-uk-net-migration-is-rising-despite-sharp-drop
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Not surprising it's difficult. If the thing we've been told is to blame for all our woes isn't really a thing after all, what then?
Blame our leaders, those who have taken advantage of recent situations, ourselves? They are the only ones holding out hope, the successful we look up to, the core of our beliefs. Uncomfortable territory.
Less hurtful to put fingers in ears, la la la and hope desperately that the sunlit uplands are just around the corner after all. Either that or lashing out in grief and rage at the easiest targets. |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:27 - May 21 with 999 views | iamatractorboy |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 10:20 - May 21 by surreyblue |
Lets not muddy the water of political discourse with silly little things like facts and data. Didn't you know, that is what experts use to make decisions and form views, and we are all sick of them... |
Facts schmacts, you can use facts to prove anything  | | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:29 - May 21 with 986 views | lowhouseblue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:20 - May 21 by Guthrum |
Not surprising it's difficult. If the thing we've been told is to blame for all our woes isn't really a thing after all, what then?
Blame our leaders, those who have taken advantage of recent situations, ourselves? They are the only ones holding out hope, the successful we look up to, the core of our beliefs. Uncomfortable territory.
Less hurtful to put fingers in ears, la la la and hope desperately that the sunlit uplands are just around the corner after all. Either that or lashing out in grief and rage at the easiest targets. |
or you could say that this is another one of this government's promises which it is delivering on. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:34 - May 21 with 964 views | Guthrum |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:29 - May 21 by lowhouseblue |
or you could say that this is another one of this government's promises which it is delivering on. |
Which is equally unpalatable to those who have nailed their colours to particular masts. | |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:39 - May 21 with 949 views | BloomBlue |
The problem is with having a fixed opinion is as demonstrated by Mr hairy chest in the pub with his counter argument re numbers dropping, I quote (trying not to use any cockney slang)...
"The f***king problem is all that means is we're losing loads of people who actually want to work with boat loads of c@@ts who want free money to sit on their ar$es and do nothing but live off working class people like me". The country is going to the dogs I tell you, the dogs"
Hence their argument will always change to target their feelings |  | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:44 - May 21 with 933 views | badadski |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:34 - May 21 by Guthrum |
Which is equally unpalatable to those who have nailed their colours to particular masts. |
Net migration is falling but it consists of the people that were adding to the economy that no longer are and who are moving back or their original homes since brexit. Losing 40,000 tax paying citizens to 40,000 illegals doesn’t really constitute a success in my book. Let’s face it we are getting less people wanting to move here using legal channels since brexit as it’s far more costly, far tougher and far less benefit than it used to be with far higher tax burdens and worse conditions of living. Only people we are still attracting are illegals not following legal channels and who are not coming here with wanting to add to the economy but to bleed it dry. | | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:47 - May 21 with 906 views | GlasgowBlue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:29 - May 21 by lowhouseblue |
or you could say that this is another one of this government's promises which it is delivering on. |
Immigration down. Inflation down. Growth up. But some want Starmer out and a coronation for the King in the North. |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:47 - May 21 with 907 views | bartyg |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:44 - May 21 by badadski |
Net migration is falling but it consists of the people that were adding to the economy that no longer are and who are moving back or their original homes since brexit. Losing 40,000 tax paying citizens to 40,000 illegals doesn’t really constitute a success in my book. Let’s face it we are getting less people wanting to move here using legal channels since brexit as it’s far more costly, far tougher and far less benefit than it used to be with far higher tax burdens and worse conditions of living. Only people we are still attracting are illegals not following legal channels and who are not coming here with wanting to add to the economy but to bleed it dry. |
Shifting the goalposts? Colour me shocked. |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:52 - May 21 with 887 views | StokieBlue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:44 - May 21 by badadski |
Net migration is falling but it consists of the people that were adding to the economy that no longer are and who are moving back or their original homes since brexit. Losing 40,000 tax paying citizens to 40,000 illegals doesn’t really constitute a success in my book. Let’s face it we are getting less people wanting to move here using legal channels since brexit as it’s far more costly, far tougher and far less benefit than it used to be with far higher tax burdens and worse conditions of living. Only people we are still attracting are illegals not following legal channels and who are not coming here with wanting to add to the economy but to bleed it dry. |
Do you have any evidence for any of that because I think you've clearly demonstrated the issue here. I think that's an opinion based on feelings and you'll struggle to back it up with actual evidence.
Small boat crossings are down 37% year on year, that's actual evidence.
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:53 - May 21 with 878 views | Herbivore |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:44 - May 21 by badadski |
Net migration is falling but it consists of the people that were adding to the economy that no longer are and who are moving back or their original homes since brexit. Losing 40,000 tax paying citizens to 40,000 illegals doesn’t really constitute a success in my book. Let’s face it we are getting less people wanting to move here using legal channels since brexit as it’s far more costly, far tougher and far less benefit than it used to be with far higher tax burdens and worse conditions of living. Only people we are still attracting are illegals not following legal channels and who are not coming here with wanting to add to the economy but to bleed it dry. |
Educate yourself, fam. |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 12:08 - May 21 with 833 views | Guthrum |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:44 - May 21 by badadski |
Net migration is falling but it consists of the people that were adding to the economy that no longer are and who are moving back or their original homes since brexit. Losing 40,000 tax paying citizens to 40,000 illegals doesn’t really constitute a success in my book. Let’s face it we are getting less people wanting to move here using legal channels since brexit as it’s far more costly, far tougher and far less benefit than it used to be with far higher tax burdens and worse conditions of living. Only people we are still attracting are illegals not following legal channels and who are not coming here with wanting to add to the economy but to bleed it dry. |
Rather adds to the evidence that Brexit was a daft idea.
Given there is no route for illegal migrants to survive in the UK other than working (or being held in concentration camps while their legal status is assessed), then I don't see how they can be considered to be wilfully draining the economy. | |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 12:11 - May 21 with 824 views | lowhouseblue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:47 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Immigration down. Inflation down. Growth up. But some want Starmer out and a coronation for the King in the North. |
you are entirely correct. but the level of public hatred, however unfair, that starmer has built up is unsurvivable. | |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 12:13 - May 21 with 819 views | BlueSmoke |
About the population of Ipswich. |  | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 12:34 - May 21 with 717 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:47 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Immigration down. Inflation down. Growth up. But some want Starmer out and a coronation for the King in the North. |
If only we didn't all keep getting poorer! |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 14:07 - May 21 with 601 views | DJR |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:47 - May 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Immigration down. Inflation down. Growth up. But some want Starmer out and a coronation for the King in the North. |
They may not all be for Burnham but the some people who count are his MPs. |  | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:26 - May 21 with 537 views | badadski |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:52 - May 21 by StokieBlue |
Do you have any evidence for any of that because I think you've clearly demonstrated the issue here. I think that's an opinion based on feelings and you'll struggle to back it up with actual evidence.
Small boat crossings are down 37% year on year, that's actual evidence.
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Not hard evidence but wife is polish and all of her polish friends have moved back home or moving back home. My job is an insurance underwriter for property and literally every day over the last few years has been made up of underwriting hotels used to house asylum seekers and now HMOs used to house - guess what - asylum seekers - I look what’s happening infront of my nose and with my own eyes - don’t listen to media or propaganda but judge by what I can see and hear. Town is a dump and is literally now a shanti town, the outside estates and being filled up by different ethnic groups that don’t get along, ok Ipswich is a bad example but that’s what I have to judge on, and so far I don’t like what I am seeing and can only see one eventuallity and it’s not a good one | | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:34 - May 21 with 500 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:39 - May 21 by BloomBlue |
The problem is with having a fixed opinion is as demonstrated by Mr hairy chest in the pub with his counter argument re numbers dropping, I quote (trying not to use any cockney slang)...
"The f***king problem is all that means is we're losing loads of people who actually want to work with boat loads of c@@ts who want free money to sit on their ar$es and do nothing but live off working class people like me". The country is going to the dogs I tell you, the dogs"
Hence their argument will always change to target their feelings |
For so long as voters continue to swallow the narrative that people are entering the country illegally and then signing on to claim benefits and being paid by the Government to run illegal barber shops etc, there is no cutting through the agenda.
The problem is this victimisation of immigrants leads to a very nasty racist outcome. It leads to increases in Islamophobia, antisemitism, and much more. |  |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:36 - May 21 with 485 views | Herbivore |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:34 - May 21 by Nthsuffolkblue |
For so long as voters continue to swallow the narrative that people are entering the country illegally and then signing on to claim benefits and being paid by the Government to run illegal barber shops etc, there is no cutting through the agenda.
The problem is this victimisation of immigrants leads to a very nasty racist outcome. It leads to increases in Islamophobia, antisemitism, and much more. |
There's a poster on this thread demonstrating nicely what the outcome is when you spend many years demonising immigrants. | |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:45 - May 21 with 461 views | grow_our_own |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 11:44 - May 21 by badadski |
Net migration is falling but it consists of the people that were adding to the economy that no longer are and who are moving back or their original homes since brexit. Losing 40,000 tax paying citizens to 40,000 illegals doesn’t really constitute a success in my book. Let’s face it we are getting less people wanting to move here using legal channels since brexit as it’s far more costly, far tougher and far less benefit than it used to be with far higher tax burdens and worse conditions of living. Only people we are still attracting are illegals not following legal channels and who are not coming here with wanting to add to the economy but to bleed it dry. |
"Only people we are still attracting are illegals" - ONS say small-boat arrivals are 4.8% of total immigrants in the most recent year.
https://www.gov.uk/government/
43,000 vs 898,000 total immigrants:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep
43k is 0.06% of the UK population. | | | |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:48 - May 21 with 448 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:45 - May 21 by grow_our_own |
"Only people we are still attracting are illegals" - ONS say small-boat arrivals are 4.8% of total immigrants in the most recent year.
https://www.gov.uk/government/
43,000 vs 898,000 total immigrants:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep
43k is 0.06% of the UK population. |
The irony is that there is probably about 0.06% of the UK population bleeding the country dry. But it isn't illegal immigrants! | |
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| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 16:03 - May 21 with 407 views | StokieBlue |
| UK net migration drops to 171,000 in 2025 - lowest since 2012 excluding pandemic on 15:26 - May 21 by badadski |
Not hard evidence but wife is polish and all of her polish friends have moved back home or moving back home. My job is an insurance underwriter for property and literally every day over the last few years has been made up of underwriting hotels used to house asylum seekers and now HMOs used to house - guess what - asylum seekers - I look what’s happening infront of my nose and with my own eyes - don’t listen to media or propaganda but judge by what I can see and hear. Town is a dump and is literally now a shanti town, the outside estates and being filled up by different ethnic groups that don’t get along, ok Ipswich is a bad example but that’s what I have to judge on, and so far I don’t like what I am seeing and can only see one eventuallity and it’s not a good one |
So no evidence then.
Also worth pointing out that asylum seekers aren't "illegals" as you have labelled earlier.
You're highlighting the issue rather well.
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