| "I can't breathe" 07:35 - Jun 2 with 14218 views | BlueSmoke |
The final words of Henry Nowak as he was handcuffed and bleeding out from 5 stab wounds. The footage should worry everyone of us.
Government FORCED to make a statement.
Could be a pivotal moment for this broken country. |  | | |  |
| "I can't breathe" on 16:00 - Jun 2 with 1264 views | chantryblueboy |
| "I can't breathe" on 15:47 - Jun 2 by positivity |
i'd need it to come from a more reputable source than a conservative politician who contradicts herself in the following sentence by saying that it wasn't a kirpan, thus illegal |
And just one more, a 2019 article from Sikhnet
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/s
Apology shortly please |  | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 17:15 - Jun 2 with 1074 views | positivity |
see djr and redrick's responses, your article suggests that it is legal to *possess*, not carry, larger weapons than the kirpan.
if you have a license you can possess a gun, you can't carry it around chantry | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 17:28 - Jun 2 with 1030 views | DJR |
| "I can't breathe" on 16:08 - Jun 2 by lowhouseblue |
again, if it is being carried for a religious purpose i think it meets the exemption.
but everyone seems to agree that a mini version worn around the neck is fine in terms of religious requirements, so the obvious answer is to ban everything else. in fact a mini version with a sheathed blade of 3 inches or less would bring it into line with pen knives and everyone will be happy. |
Having drafted legislation in relation to a couple of issues which caused a similar public clamouring, I never think it a good idea to pre-judge or rush things. And it is certainly not ideal if the debate is carried on with a fair degree of ignorance.
But governments are sometimes forced to rush ahead anyway - the Dangerous Dogs Act springs to mind. [Post edited 2 Jun 17:28]
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| "I can't breathe" on 17:36 - Jun 2 with 998 views | redrickstuhaart |
| "I can't breathe" on 17:28 - Jun 2 by DJR |
Having drafted legislation in relation to a couple of issues which caused a similar public clamouring, I never think it a good idea to pre-judge or rush things. And it is certainly not ideal if the debate is carried on with a fair degree of ignorance.
But governments are sometimes forced to rush ahead anyway - the Dangerous Dogs Act springs to mind. [Post edited 2 Jun 17:28]
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The classic example given in every jurisprudence lecture :-)
I have not bottomed this one out, but it does appear that there is a question over whether the exemption can be clearer in terms of what is or isn't permitted in terms of size and type of knife etc. That said, in this case, I cannot see how the large one could be legal, given he was also carrying a normal Kirpan, which in normal circumstances would presumably satisfy the religious needs anyway. The sentencing remarks do contain some comment on this stuff and I urge people to actually read them. [Post edited 2 Jun 17:38]
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| "I can't breathe" on 17:39 - Jun 2 with 942 views | lowhouseblue |
| "I can't breathe" on 17:15 - Jun 2 by positivity |
see djr and redrick's responses, your article suggests that it is legal to *possess*, not carry, larger weapons than the kirpan.
if you have a license you can possess a gun, you can't carry it around chantry |
section 139 of the criminal justice act 1988:
"Offence of having article with blade or point in public place.
(1)Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3)This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches.
(4)It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.
(5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him—
(a)for use at work;
(b)for religious reasons; or
(c)as part of any national costume."
"has ... with him in a public place". the exemption at (5) 'for religious reasons' is a general exemption, it doesn't apply only to a sub set of blades. |  |
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| "I can't breathe" on 17:56 - Jun 2 with 918 views | chantryblueboy |
| "I can't breathe" on 17:15 - Jun 2 by positivity |
see djr and redrick's responses, your article suggests that it is legal to *possess*, not carry, larger weapons than the kirpan.
if you have a license you can possess a gun, you can't carry it around chantry |
Completely wrong btw | | | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 18:30 - Jun 2 with 846 views | BlueBoots |
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-co
Posting for anyone who would like to read the judge's summary of information that came to light during the case investigations and trial, rather than having it filtered for them by the press / social media |  |
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| "I can't breathe" on 18:42 - Jun 2 with 802 views | Swansea_Blue |
| "I can't breathe" on 18:30 - Jun 2 by BlueBoots |
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-co
Posting for anyone who would like to read the judge's summary of information that came to light during the case investigations and trial, rather than having it filtered for them by the press / social media |
A tough read. |  |
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| "I can't breathe" on 18:43 - Jun 2 with 793 views | positivity |
| "I can't breathe" on 17:56 - Jun 2 by chantryblueboy |
Completely wrong btw |
i bow to your greater knowledge of chantry on that one then! | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 19:27 - Jun 2 with 713 views | redrickstuhaart |
| "I can't breathe" on 18:42 - Jun 2 by Swansea_Blue |
A tough read. |
Can I just urge everyone who has strong feelings about any case, to do this before arriving solidly at a "hot take"? | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 19:38 - Jun 2 with 670 views | waveneyblue |
What a horrific stiory, so incredibly tragic, another waste of a young life and probably the very last thing this country needs at this time.
Sad to see it given the usual TWTD treatment, two sides going at each other and any attempts at a middle ground being shouted down by the the usual (majority) "our opinion is the only one" mob. Balanced it is not.
This is becoming a really really unpleasant place. |  | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:46 - Jun 2 with 644 views | Swansea_Blue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:27 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Can I just urge everyone who has strong feelings about any case, to do this before arriving solidly at a "hot take"? |
It’s was a very sobering read. For me it refocused priorities. The pain caused by this crime is beyond comprehension and it’s as a result of the actions of one person, who’s rightfully received a life sentence. We shouldn’t be arguing with each other over this. We shouldn’t be giving oxygen to populist politicians who want to use it to divide us. We shouldn’t be using it to take pot shots at others on this board and ‘both side’ it.
My lad’s off to Uni in September and all I can think of is ‘there for the grave of god go I’. That poor family and the tragedy of someone with most of their life ahead being taken from them by a lying, cowardly ****. | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 19:46 - Jun 2 with 641 views | redrickstuhaart |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:38 - Jun 2 by waveneyblue |
What a horrific stiory, so incredibly tragic, another waste of a young life and probably the very last thing this country needs at this time.
Sad to see it given the usual TWTD treatment, two sides going at each other and any attempts at a middle ground being shouted down by the the usual (majority) "our opinion is the only one" mob. Balanced it is not.
This is becoming a really really unpleasant place. |
One side put out patently inaccurate narrative. The other didn't. What balance ought to be added here? | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 19:52 - Jun 2 with 604 views | waveneyblue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:46 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
One side put out patently inaccurate narrative. The other didn't. What balance ought to be added here? |
I was referring to the people who attempted to see things from both "sides"
Not going to the extremes of either argument.
Which again, doesn't seem to be accepted on here. | | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:54 - Jun 2 with 596 views | StokieBlue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:38 - Jun 2 by waveneyblue |
What a horrific stiory, so incredibly tragic, another waste of a young life and probably the very last thing this country needs at this time.
Sad to see it given the usual TWTD treatment, two sides going at each other and any attempts at a middle ground being shouted down by the the usual (majority) "our opinion is the only one" mob. Balanced it is not.
This is becoming a really really unpleasant place. |
You're absolutely one of those making it unpleasant across multiple threads.
The cognitive dissonance is quite something.
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| "I can't breathe" on 19:55 - Jun 2 with 593 views | redrickstuhaart |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:52 - Jun 2 by waveneyblue |
I was referring to the people who attempted to see things from both "sides"
Not going to the extremes of either argument.
Which again, doesn't seem to be accepted on here. |
Facts dont have two sides
Which issue do you say needed seeing from both sides and wasnt accepted. | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 19:59 - Jun 2 with 563 views | Swansea_Blue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:52 - Jun 2 by waveneyblue |
I was referring to the people who attempted to see things from both "sides"
Not going to the extremes of either argument.
Which again, doesn't seem to be accepted on here. |
I don’t understand. What are both sides in your opinion? | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 20:12 - Jun 2 with 504 views | waveneyblue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:54 - Jun 2 by StokieBlue |
You're absolutely one of those making it unpleasant across multiple threads.
The cognitive dissonance is quite something.
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Why, im stating i can see both sides of the debate, what is so wrong with that?
Explain why, rather than chucking around the usual accusations.
Its people like you that make this place so unbearable. | | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:14 - Jun 2 with 489 views | waveneyblue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:55 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
Facts dont have two sides
Which issue do you say needed seeing from both sides and wasnt accepted. |
When will you lot realise that your opinions and facts arent universally the same thing.
Its pure blind arrogance. | | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:18 - Jun 2 with 466 views | waveneyblue |
| "I can't breathe" on 19:59 - Jun 2 by Swansea_Blue |
I don’t understand. What are both sides in your opinion? |
I can see why people get so upset and angry by these incidents and therefore react in an extreme way.
Whilst I can also accept that people will argue that these people are wrong and their extreme views are flawed.
Its called having a balanced view, something which is never welcomed on here.
Its quite simple | | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:18 - Jun 2 with 471 views | redrickstuhaart |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:12 - Jun 2 by waveneyblue |
Why, im stating i can see both sides of the debate, what is so wrong with that?
Explain why, rather than chucking around the usual accusations.
Its people like you that make this place so unbearable. |
What is the other side that needs a fair hearing please? | |
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| "I can't breathe" on 20:20 - Jun 2 with 451 views | waveneyblue |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:18 - Jun 2 by redrickstuhaart |
What is the other side that needs a fair hearing please? |
There is zero point in debating with the likes of you.
Zero.
Im just making a point that its possible to accept elements of both arguments. | | | |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:22 - Jun 2 with 437 views | StokieBlue |
| "I can't breathe" on 20:12 - Jun 2 by waveneyblue |
Why, im stating i can see both sides of the debate, what is so wrong with that?
Explain why, rather than chucking around the usual accusations.
Its people like you that make this place so unbearable. |
You said "this place" not "this thread".
You've literally been arguing with people across multiple threads for multiple pages. You've been doing that for weeks since the Farage incident.
You argued for 5 pages yesterday.
You're absolutely the problem so pointing fingers at others is quite something. To say you can see both sides of the debate is also quite incredible.
Once again, the cognitive dissonance is astounding.
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