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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? 19:40 - Jun 22 with 1444 viewsFrimleyBlue

Oneil at bournemourth inherited the squad he managed
At wolves he didnt fair as well over time when he was involved in player signings ( or was that a director of football involved?
At strasborg he interited the side from rosenoir and made it more tactful.

As a manager i dont see how hes done enough to warrant the gig
But maybe if we go down the sporting director route then it may work better?



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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:44 - Jun 22 with 1374 viewsMK1

He will be here as manager. We don't need a director of football meddling in first team matters.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:46 - Jun 22 with 1361 viewsFrimleyBlue

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:44 - Jun 22 by MK1

He will be here as manager. We don't need a director of football meddling in first team matters.


But isnt that what most prem sides have now?

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:49 - Jun 22 with 1339 viewsMK1

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:46 - Jun 22 by FrimleyBlue

But isnt that what most prem sides have now?


We are not Man Utd. A manager has a scouting network hand picking potential signings. He doesn't need someone above him insisting he signs X, Y & Z and they must start. I am sure Mr O'Neil is capable of sorting that out for himself.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:51 - Jun 22 with 1298 viewsFrimleyBlue

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:49 - Jun 22 by MK1

We are not Man Utd. A manager has a scouting network hand picking potential signings. He doesn't need someone above him insisting he signs X, Y & Z and they must start. I am sure Mr O'Neil is capable of sorting that out for himself.


I didnt mentiom utd

But according to online searches it says every prem club now has a sporting/director of football in some form.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:52 - Jun 22 with 1287 viewsReuser_is_God

No, I think Ashton would’ve already communicated that if it was the way we were going to go.

Also the sporting director would’ve needed to be in place during this managerial recruitment process.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:53 - Jun 22 with 1278 viewsMK1

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:51 - Jun 22 by FrimleyBlue

I didnt mentiom utd

But according to online searches it says every prem club now has a sporting/director of football in some form.


We have a sporting director already.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:55 - Jun 22 with 1267 viewsStochesStotasBlewe

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:44 - Jun 22 by MK1

He will be here as manager. We don't need a director of football meddling in first team matters.


Indeed. A manager is employed to do just that, manage team affairs.
A director of football just muddies the waters.
It’s probably more the case that Mark Ashton could do with some assistance and let Gary O’Neil get on with the job in hand.
The more I think about it objectively I’m a lot more hopeful about him doing the job in hand and implementing the more pragmatic approach needed next season.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:56 - Jun 22 with 1263 viewsSheffordBlue

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:53 - Jun 22 by MK1

We have a sporting director already.


Yup - both Hlajko and Court have roles that are called Technical/Sporting Directors at other clubs. It's what the responsibilities are and who they sit with there are really important - it would be nice to have a bit more clarity on that.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:56 - Jun 22 with 1255 viewsFrimleyBlue

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:53 - Jun 22 by MK1

We have a sporting director already.


Ah do we. Apologies. I just thought he looked after academy side of things.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:59 - Jun 22 with 1232 viewsitfc2021

I think you're looking at it slightly backwards TBH.
At Bournemouth he inherited a very decent group, agreed. But then again so do MOST managers that get their first Premier League opportunity. Nobody hands you a basket case and says "good luck". The question is what you do with it really .
At Wolves he inherited a side that had finished 13th and 10th under Lopetegui and had lost a ridiculous amount of talent. Neves, Collins, Nunes, Coady, Jimenez, Traore etc. The expectation was genuinely relegation from most people outside the club and yet he still finished 14th with 46 points and reached a FA Cup quarter final . That's often COMPLETELY ignored when people discuss him.
People say "well it went wrong after that" but the reality is Wolves were operating under PSR pressure and selling players constantly. How much was O'Neil? How much was recruitment? How much was ownership? That's a MUCH harder question than people make out , and I don't think anyone can honestly separate those things completely.
As for Strasbourg, I actually think that's one of the better arguments FOR him. He inherited a good side, yes. But football isn't Football Manager. Plenty of coaches inherit good teams and make them worse. He took a young squad, improved the structure, improved the organisation and got results . That's still COACHING at the end of the day.
The bigger point for me is this obsession with managers needing some magical CV before they arrive. EVERY time a younger coach gets linked somewhere people immediately start comparing Wikipedia pages rather than actually looking at what they've done.
McKenna didn't have ONE.
Maresca didn't have ONE.
Carrick didn't have ONE.
The list goes on and on REALLY , and if we're being honestt people only remember the success stories afterwards.
At some point you're appointing the COACH, not the Wikipedia page.
Would he have been my first choice? Probably NOT , but that's not really the same argument.
Has he done enough to make me think he deseaves a chance? YES.
Particularly if Ashton is genuinely moving further towards a sporting director MODEL . That's the bit that keeps getting overlooked.
Because if recruitment, squad planning and long-term strategy are being driven above the head coach level..., then suddenly GON's strengths become much more relevant. Whether people like that or not is a DIFFERENT discussion.
Organisation is clearly a STRENGTH of his.
Coaching is clearly a STRENGTH of his.
Structure is clearly a STRENGTH of his.
That's literally how MOST modern clubs are trying to operate now . Head coach, recruitment department, sporting director..., all doing different jobs.
I don't think he's some ELITE appointment.
I don't think he's some DISASTER either.
He's somewhere in the middle..., and if people are being honest that's probably where Ipswich are too right now HONESTLY. People seem desperate to make him either the best appointment ever or the worst . He's probably neither.
The idea he's NOT good enough for Ipswich Town? I don't see IT.
There are managers with FAR worse records at this level who've walked into Premier League jobs without half the scrutiny . That's just objectively true.
I'd also add this..., people seem obsessed with proving why he SHOULDN'T be here rather than asking whether there's a coherent plan behind the appointment. The conversation always seems to start from the conclusion and work backwards.
If Ashton is genuinely taking more RESPONSIBILILITYfor recruitment and squad building, then perhaps they're deliberately looking for a COACH rather than a manager. They're very different things , despite people constantly using the terms interchangeably.
That doesn't guarantee success obviously. But it does make a lot more SENSE than some people are willing to admit . Whether it works or not we'll find out soon enough.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 20:01 - Jun 22 with 1213 viewsMK1

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:56 - Jun 22 by FrimleyBlue

Ah do we. Apologies. I just thought he looked after academy side of things.


No worries. Think we just need to get behind Gary O'Neil and make him feel welcome.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 20:02 - Jun 22 with 1200 viewsSheffordBlue

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:56 - Jun 22 by FrimleyBlue

Ah do we. Apologies. I just thought he looked after academy side of things.


At some point we might see someone else sit above the 3 footballing Directors (some of the bigger clubs add another level here) but I think at the senior levels we seem to have the same sort of roles/responsibilities as top end Championship/bottom half Prem clubs.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 20:14 - Jun 22 with 1130 viewsSuffolkPunchFC

Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 19:56 - Jun 22 by FrimleyBlue

Ah do we. Apologies. I just thought he looked after academy side of things.


We have 3 footballing directors in total.

Director of Football Operations: Dmitri Halajko
Director of Performance: Andy Rolls
Director of Recruitment: Mick Court

I like the structure. When you have a coach/manager and a single DoF, it risks too much conflict with 2 people having a large (potential) range of overlapping responsibility. We have a clear ‘leader’ of all things to do with the squad, with 3 roles supporting him.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 23:38 - Jun 22 with 892 viewstetchris

We already have one unless Arsene Wenger is desperate for a job!

What I would like to see is someone in the UK who is above Ashton. He has too much free reign in making decisions without accountability. The Americans just appear to let him get on with it. Ashton can be CEO but we need a separate Chairman with football experience.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 00:08 - Jun 23 with 858 viewsTRUE_BLUE123

I would like to see someone in a Sporting Director role come in who has good connections across Europe to keep moving us on further but that may be something that happens further down the line if we can establish in the Prem.

Wont be happening now.

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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 06:19 - Jun 23 with 740 viewsernie

It’s no mean feat to make the side more tactful. Always nice to see players’ personalities and inner character express themselves on the pitch.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 10:20 - Jun 23 with 563 viewsdarkhorse28

Mark is CEO, Chairman and sporting director. Head of football operations, performance director AND head of refreshment and entertainment.

You don’t spend 35 year career with a god complex, to finally become the ONLY football voice at an elite club, to ever cede any control. EVER.

That no other elite club operates like this, and that the last two years (at this level) it’s been a huge failure, and that no club has had success like this for about 30 years, won’t stop Mark.

This that blindly clapped the power grab.., should have offered scrutiny.

He’s good at many things, poor at some crucial things. That’s why EVERY club at this level has a c suite of talent.

Football is a team game off the pitch too…, you need huge talent and small egos to make it work.

Mark is talented but he was never the right profile once we got to this level…, too much about him, his ego, his need to control.

That’s not on Mark. It’s been obvious to anyone that understands football and team dynamics that he’s our limiting factor - it will kill our progress dead.

The owners don’t seem to have worked it out, that’s staggering. It’s 35 years he’s operated exactly like this, his control needs above the clubs need to be successful, it’s how he’s been sacked every single time.

Mark makes it about Mark.

Elite clubs make it about success. Results, and mostly a structure that survives any individual.

Mark has been very successful at building a Moat…, now he needs to deliver at this level, we are Ashton FC and I can’t imagine that ends well.., I listen to Benham and Bloom and they’re not just better than Mark .., they get it, they’re in another planet compared to him.

Mark should have stood on the shoulders of more talent. He could have had more success that way.., but he’s too small and too insecure to allow that.

We’re never getting an elite coach under Ashton…, should be thankful the easy to control McKenna was as talented a coach as he was.., papered over the cracks, until he worked it out.

Not daft is he McKenna - he sees where we are and what limits us.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 10:22 - Jun 23 with 564 viewsPhilTWTD

I don't think there are any plans for that role at present, although I suspect one will ultimately be appointed as the club puts in place a more solid structure.
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Could we maybe see a sporting director coming in? on 10:34 - Jun 23 with 493 viewsbluefunk

fora little insight into Oneil, and his transfer involvement, try reading this posted by Joe

The Athletic view of Gary O’Neil leaving Wolves… by itfcjoe 21 Jun 9:42
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5995902/2024/12/16/wolves-gary-oneil-jorge-mendes-vitor-pereira/?source=user_shared_article&unlocked_article_code=1.r1A.fWXY.vOeN0yOyplic

On Sunday morning, O’Neil, who had returned to his family home in Kent for a flying visit after the Ipswich defeat, took a phone call from Hobbs to inform him of Wolves’ decision.

It would not have come as a shock given his departure has looked increasingly inevitable for much of this season. Even at the height of his Wolves success, the cracks were appearing.

In a single month — February 2024 — O’Neil’s Wolves claimed famous, emphatic Premier League victories at Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur, completing the double over both ‘Big Six’ clubs, stood toe to toe with Manchester United before losing a 4-3 Molineux thriller in stoppage time, and defeated Brighton to reach the quarter-finals of the FA Cup.

They saw off Sheffield United for good measure and, as spring arrived with some fans dreaming of pushing for a spot in Europe, it felt like players, management, club and supporters were in harmony for the first time since Nuno Espirito Santo departed, drawing a line under the club’s most successful spell since the early 1980s.

Yet already the seeds of the decline had been sown.

The failures of the January transfer window, when O’Neil was confident of adding a striker to his squad, only to discover in the final days of the window that Wolves would not sanction any of the deals on the table, left the former Bournemouth boss disenchanted with life at Molineux.

Neither he nor the Wolves hierarchy could have foreseen the scale of the injury crisis that robbed him of his first-choice forward line for much of the final third of the campaign, with Pedro Neto, Hwang Hee-chan and Matheus Cunha all injured for several weeks.

But O’Neil felt his warnings that Wolves were risking their immediate future by not adding understudies had gone unheeded. The result was a quarter-final defeat to Coventry with raw teenager Nathan Fraser leading the line, combined with a slide from the outskirts of the European race to the bottom half of the Premier League table with just two wins in their final 12 league games.

In a worrying echo of the breakdown in trust between Wolves and O’Neil’s predecessor Lopetegui, O’Neil’s confidence in the owners’ ability and willingness to back him was never restored.

People familiar with the situation say O’Neil was angry for much of the transfer window due to what he saw as broken promises over his desire for a centre-back and a winger who could step straight into his first team, replacing the departed Maximilian Kilman and Pedro Neto.

Instead, striker Jorgen Strand Larsen is the only summer signing to have cemented a place in the team, while several other fairly costly signings were young players with an eye to Wolves adding value in the future.

After the closure of the window, O’Neil’s anger was said to have subsided as he resolved to make the best of the squad he had.

But a combination of tricky early fixtures — the toughest opening of any club in the league based on Opta’s Power Rankings — and squad deficiencies meant Wolves’ season spiralled out of control, not helped by O’Neil’s decision to change their playing style based on signings he expected but which never arrived.

In the end, he left Wolves with goodwill still intact. His relationship with Hobbs remained especially strong, with O’Neil considering that Hobbs had kept up his end of the bargain by lining up deals for first-team players that ultimately went unsanctioned.

Senior players also remained supportive of O’Neil, but their loss of discipline in recent weeks, from Jose Sa venturing into the crowd during the defeat to Bournemouth to Mario Lemina’s meltdown at West Ham and the ugly scenes after the weekend defeat to Ipswich involving Matheus Cunha and Rayan Ait-Nouri, suggested that while O’Neil retained support, he had lost authority.

That realisation, combined with continued dreadful results, left Wolves with no choice but to make a change. Even senior figures at Wolves accepted that O’Neil was to a large extent a victim of circumstance.

The job he did last season in taking over a squad rocked by Lopetegui’s eve-of-the-season departure and leading Wolves well clear of relegation trouble while claiming memorable wins and big-name scalps earned him widespread respect in the Molineux hierarchy.

And the club’s decision-makers were painfully aware that those key injuries at the end of last season, combined with a horrible set of fixtures at the start of this one, helped destroy the momentum he had created.

Yet there were also decisions that haunted the young, inexperienced head coach.

He was heavily involved in the summer in the appointment of Jack Wilson as Wolves’ first set-piece coach, only to go back on the decision and move Wilson out three months later, with people familiar with the matter saying O’Neil decided he had not integrated well into the backroom staff.

Both with and without Wilson, Wolves’ failure to defend set pieces has been a constant problem.

That saga raised questions about O’Neil’s judgement, as did the replacement just a few days ago of Lemina as captain following his post-match meltdown at West Ham after O’Neil had chosen the Gabon international in the summer to replace Kilman as skipper. Lemina, 31, grappled with West Ham’s Jarrod Bowen after the 2-1 defeat, then clashed with team-mates Nelson Semedo and Toti and pushed first-team coach Shaun Derry.

The change of tactics and shape, including a switch to a back four, at the start of the season was also a risk O’Neil did not need to make and invited criticism given the previous use of three central defenders and a counter-attacking style had worked well last season until injuries struck, with the gap between the club’s expected goals for and against trending in the wrong direction this season.

With O’Neil increasingly looking unable to solve the immediate defensive and man-management problems he faced, the Wolves hierarchy concluded that a figure with more experience and gravitas was needed.



or this posted by Ippyland for amore recent take

Gary O’Neil - The Athletic on his time in Strasbourg by ippy_land 22 Jun 23:50
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7240154/2026/04/30/gary-oneil-strasbourg-wolves-bournemouth-blueco-conference/

•Interesting points on how he was received vs Rosenior (appearing more down to earth, taking to the language)

• viewed Strasbourg as an opportunity to take a team who would dominate possession (layers more intrigued as to how he would tweak the current system)

“A source with knowledge of the situation, granted anonymity to protect relationships, says O’Neil was attracted by the chance to work in a different league and to coach a team with the chance to dominate possession. His plan at Wolves had always been to build a front-foot, possession-based side, but the need for instant results saw him revert in both seasons to a less intense, more counter-attacking system.

At Strasbourg, he has adopted his favoured 4-2-3-1 system and his side has averaged 55 per cent possession. That compares to 54 per cent for Strasbourg under Rosenior and just 40 per cent and 49 per cent for O’Neil’s Bournemouth and Wolves”

• All 3 of GONs jobs he has taken on with fan disgruntlement. Expect even with the divide on his appointment by fans, this will be the most steady environment he has managed in which will play a big factor in how he can be a success.

With what I have read across all his spells, I am leaning to being more optimistic in that O’Neil comes across as a bright young coach who has managed in difficult environments and has done relatively positive jobs.

Wolves 2nd season was very poor, but many factors at play to show the general trend was downward, one Lopetegui walked away the previous year, perhaps to save reputation. Had O’Neil not had that poor spell, his reputation and stock may have been above what we could attract? (Would he be looking at palace and Fulham?)

Personally I feel MA would have ran a rigorous process and he trusted his instincts on McKenna and if O’Neil amongst all the other candidates this time has come out as the best fit, I feel confident to trust the process and hope we have landed ourselves another gem.

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