| ‘Two Year Kier’ 05:25 - Jun 23 with 6282 views | Benters |
Heard that one this morning  |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:51 - Jun 23 with 736 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:54 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
The record tax burden was achieved under the last government.
Growth is as good as its been for years (not great) bar one spike. And was plummeting like a lead shot prior to this government who have arrested that fall and turned it in the other direction.
Yes- there is a youth unemployment crisis. They are looking to address it. Its no huge surpriuse given the cuts to health and mental health services and the impact of covid on young peoples mental health.
Real terms wages have increased. They fell under the previous regime.
Welfare bill very similar to what it has been for years. One of the largest chunks is the previous governments triple lock and the reality of demographics and an ageing society. Perhaps we need some immigration to support that...
Houses are being built- though there is only a modest increase from previously so far. [Post edited 23 Jun 10:59]
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You have sort of proved my point here in that there is no change at all in any of the points listed that suggests a fixed economy.
It's always a deflection to blame the last government. Although I agree with you about the conservatives, they were booted out of office with a huge loss of MPs and quite rightly so.
A bit nit-picky, but I don't think the growth story is quite as you've explained. I think it's best to maybe conclude that UK growth since 2016 has been broadly similar to France and better than Germany, but I don't think that's a discussion point we should begin.....
The facts simply don't play out to Starmer's speech. |  | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:55 - Jun 23 with 721 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:51 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
You have sort of proved my point here in that there is no change at all in any of the points listed that suggests a fixed economy.
It's always a deflection to blame the last government. Although I agree with you about the conservatives, they were booted out of office with a huge loss of MPs and quite rightly so.
A bit nit-picky, but I don't think the growth story is quite as you've explained. I think it's best to maybe conclude that UK growth since 2016 has been broadly similar to France and better than Germany, but I don't think that's a discussion point we should begin.....
The facts simply don't play out to Starmer's speech. |
You set out a bunch of claims which were entirely inaccurate.
There are clear, though modest signs of improvement- as well as waiting lists down, immigration well down etc. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:57 - Jun 23 with 716 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:51 - Jun 23 by Benters |
I saw the interview on breakfast telly this morning.
Nigel said the money was a gift.
Balls was trying to catch him out and failing.
Vote Reform 👍🇬🇧 [Post edited 23 Jun 11:53]
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He also said it was security. And a reward for work on Brexit. Which is overtly political, and clearly something which had to be declared.
Its not £50 which one might forget about.... | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:58 - Jun 23 with 711 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:55 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
You set out a bunch of claims which were entirely inaccurate.
There are clear, though modest signs of improvement- as well as waiting lists down, immigration well down etc. |
no I didn't. They were not inaccurate, you just don't agree with them. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:03 - Jun 23 with 687 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:58 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
no I didn't. They were not inaccurate, you just don't agree with them. |
I think you might be right in aggregate on real wages, supported of course by the rise for Public sector workers.
Rising unemployment negates this benefit and real wages are stalling.
But even away from this finer detail, there is no correction to the economy is there? I mean really?
I make this causation argument on a few threads. Boris' bus claim about £400m or whatever it was for the NHS......NHS spending has gone up by many multiples of £400m. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:04 - Jun 23 with 683 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:03 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
I think you might be right in aggregate on real wages, supported of course by the rise for Public sector workers.
Rising unemployment negates this benefit and real wages are stalling.
But even away from this finer detail, there is no correction to the economy is there? I mean really?
I make this causation argument on a few threads. Boris' bus claim about £400m or whatever it was for the NHS......NHS spending has gone up by many multiples of £400m. |
No houses being built? Real terms wages falling?
Not accurate.
The rest was at best incomplete. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:04 - Jun 23 with 679 views | positivity |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:51 - Jun 23 by Benters |
I saw the interview on breakfast telly this morning.
Nigel said the money was a gift.
Balls was trying to catch him out and failing.
Vote Reform 👍🇬🇧 [Post edited 23 Jun 11:53]
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vote reform, vote for the antisemitic, racist, grifting, flip-flopper. vote against britain and british values.
it wasn't balls on the shared clip, watch it again | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:07 - Jun 23 with 673 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:55 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
You set out a bunch of claims which were entirely inaccurate.
There are clear, though modest signs of improvement- as well as waiting lists down, immigration well down etc. |
Immigration is an interesting one to raise. Did you want it to reduce? Not sure I did.
What do you think the causation argument is here? Living under Labour is undesirable due to economic issues? presumably not?
And illegal migration is pretty steady. Presume most of us agree the moral argument is to reduce that. | | | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:09 - Jun 23 with 656 views | hype313 |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:57 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
He also said it was security. And a reward for work on Brexit. Which is overtly political, and clearly something which had to be declared.
Its not £50 which one might forget about.... |
Can just imagine you would say the same if it was someone from Labour...
Why does he need £5m just for security? Also, why would someone give him £5m without returning the favour...? |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:10 - Jun 23 with 653 views | jasondozzell |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:40 - Jun 23 by giant_stow |
Thanks for the explanations chaps. Not something I would hold with personally - I was right behind the all of nothing approach from memory, but hey ho. |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:10 - Jun 23 with 649 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:04 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
No houses being built? Real terms wages falling?
Not accurate.
The rest was at best incomplete. |
Ok, I fell into the trap of sloganeering. I apologise.
But real wages being flat and house building not increasing in rate is not a sign of a corrected economy.
Would be a half way agreement if you accepted that. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:15 - Jun 23 with 630 views | positivity |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:09 - Jun 23 by hype313 |
Can just imagine you would say the same if it was someone from Labour...
Why does he need £5m just for security? Also, why would someone give him £5m without returning the favour...? |
and according to today's version of "the truth" he hasn't spent it.
still not done any surgeries for his constituents. won't get fooled again? | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:28 - Jun 23 with 595 views | DJR |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 09:17 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
You may disagree, but thats not dishonest. Its a change of position. It might even be a bit hypocritical. But not dishonest and crucially, not for personal gain.
You arent seriously suggesting that, on matter of integrity, he is equivalent to Johnson (as claimed above) are you?! |
I wasn't suggesting he was that bad but I expected better of him as a lawyer and former civil servant who was meant to be a complete contrast to Johnson. |  | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 13:26 - Jun 23 with 512 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:10 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
Ok, I fell into the trap of sloganeering. I apologise.
But real wages being flat and house building not increasing in rate is not a sign of a corrected economy.
Would be a half way agreement if you accepted that. |
There is a slight increase in houses, and the wages were fell previously and have been rising throughout this government until very recently. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 13:26 - Jun 23 with 509 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:15 - Jun 23 by positivity |
and according to today's version of "the truth" he hasn't spent it.
still not done any surgeries for his constituents. won't get fooled again? |
5% return. £250k a year to keep him ticking over. Very nice. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 13:30 - Jun 23 with 491 views | positivity |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 13:26 - Jun 23 by redrickstuhaart |
5% return. £250k a year to keep him ticking over. Very nice. |
can't believe there's anyone left who doesn't see right through him.
he's not even pretending to not be completely corrupt now | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 13:41 - Jun 23 with 453 views | Radlett_blue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 11:51 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
You have sort of proved my point here in that there is no change at all in any of the points listed that suggests a fixed economy.
It's always a deflection to blame the last government. Although I agree with you about the conservatives, they were booted out of office with a huge loss of MPs and quite rightly so.
A bit nit-picky, but I don't think the growth story is quite as you've explained. I think it's best to maybe conclude that UK growth since 2016 has been broadly similar to France and better than Germany, but I don't think that's a discussion point we should begin.....
The facts simply don't play out to Starmer's speech. |
Britain, like the rest of Western Europe, faces huge structural challenges given low growth (unlikely to improve) & poor demographics (even unlikelier to improve). There is no silver bullet & some tough choices have to be made. Starmer clearly wasn't up to making these choices; not sure if Burnham will be any better, but we shall see.
The most nauseating thing is now hearing all the glowing tributes to Starmer from colleagues who were privately trying to get rid of him the week before. |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:06 - Jun 23 with 394 views | m14_blue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 12:07 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
Immigration is an interesting one to raise. Did you want it to reduce? Not sure I did.
What do you think the causation argument is here? Living under Labour is undesirable due to economic issues? presumably not?
And illegal migration is pretty steady. Presume most of us agree the moral argument is to reduce that. |
Small boat crossings are down by 40% vs last year.
Not sure that counts as 'pretty steady'. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:14 - Jun 23 with 370 views | LeoMuff |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 10:12 - Jun 23 by Benters |
Bravo 👍 |
How are you applauding this and defending Farages £5m bung ? |  |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:39 - Jun 23 with 341 views | positivity |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:14 - Jun 23 by LeoMuff |
How are you applauding this and defending Farages £5m bung ? |
he defends farage's antisemitism, his racism, his corruption.
not sure where his line is. could nige shoot his nearest & dearest in the street and he'd still applaud him?
his brainwashing is deep! | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:45 - Jun 23 with 319 views | balcombeblue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:06 - Jun 23 by m14_blue |
Small boat crossings are down by 40% vs last year.
Not sure that counts as 'pretty steady'. |
2022: 45,774 recorded small boat arrivals (the highest annual peak).2023: 29,437 recorded small boat arrivals.2024: ~36,000 recorded small boat arrivals.2025 to Mid-2026: Approximately 39,000 small boat arrivals
Government figures. There’s volatility, not sure I see the reduction particularly. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:49 - Jun 23 with 302 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:45 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
2022: 45,774 recorded small boat arrivals (the highest annual peak).2023: 29,437 recorded small boat arrivals.2024: ~36,000 recorded small boat arrivals.2025 to Mid-2026: Approximately 39,000 small boat arrivals
Government figures. There’s volatility, not sure I see the reduction particularly. |
So to be clear, the problem was at its highest under the Conservatives, but it’s Labour’s fault for not fixing it the moment they get into power, and when the numbers are down they aren’t to be believed, have I got that about right? | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:49 - Jun 23 with 297 views | redrickstuhaart |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:45 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
2022: 45,774 recorded small boat arrivals (the highest annual peak).2023: 29,437 recorded small boat arrivals.2024: ~36,000 recorded small boat arrivals.2025 to Mid-2026: Approximately 39,000 small boat arrivals
Government figures. There’s volatility, not sure I see the reduction particularly. |
Arrivals declined in significantly over the first 5 months of this year. | |
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| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:55 - Jun 23 with 284 views | m14_blue |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 14:45 - Jun 23 by balcombeblue |
2022: 45,774 recorded small boat arrivals (the highest annual peak).2023: 29,437 recorded small boat arrivals.2024: ~36,000 recorded small boat arrivals.2025 to Mid-2026: Approximately 39,000 small boat arrivals
Government figures. There’s volatility, not sure I see the reduction particularly. |
Arrivals to June 2026 are down 40% on arrivals to June 2025, that's just a fact.
You can not rate Starmer, and be glad he's gone, without having to go through mental gymnastics to try and disprove the stuff that has gone relatively well. | | | |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 15:09 - Jun 23 with 248 views | J2BLUE |
| ‘Two Year Kier’ on 08:17 - Jun 23 by jasondozzell |
Here's a good explanation from Bastani in 2021.
https://novaramedia.com/2021/0
Keir Starmer Is Just As Dishonest As Boris Johnson
Opinion
Keir Starmer Is Just As Dishonest As Boris Johnson
While the prime minister is honest about lying, the Labour leader still claims to be telling the truth.
by Aaron Bastani
29 September 2021
Keir Starmer at Labour conference in Brighton.
Keir Starmer at Labour conference in Brighton. (REUTERS/Hannah McKay)
A strange prospect has reared its head in recent months, its arrival so unlikely that even the most dogged of Starmer-sceptics could never have predicted it.
Over the weekend, as Labour’s annual conference got underway, this previously faint suspicion suddenly came through in high definition: Keir Starmer – a man who constantly appeals to decency and principle – appears to be no more honest than Boris Johnson. Indeed one could argue Starmer is less trustworthy than a prime minister whose calling card is caddish misbehaviour.
This may sound absurd, like the nonsensical grumblings of a leftist with a grudge, but allow me to explain.
When it comes to honesty there are three kinds of people. The first are honest and upstanding, they generally stick to their word and try not to deceive others. Although, of course, deceit may happen on occasion, they try their best to keep dishonesty to a minimum. When they stray they admit it.
The second kind are dishonest people who are open about the content of their character – individuals who are, in short, ‘honest liars’. Paradigmatic here is Silvio Berlusconi, the former Italian prime minister, who once claimed to be the “Jesus Christ of politics” because he makes sacrifices “for everyone” only to later concede, when investigated on charges of corruption, that he was not a saint and “you’ve all understood that”. In this regard, the media tycoon was the template for Donald Trump and Boris Johnson, with all three never guilty of hypocrisy – that cardinal sin in politics – because they never claimed to be honest in the first place. Unsurprisingly, many find such personalities reprehensible, yet others view them as a refreshing change and often amusing. Sure they lie, but everyone in politics does. That they are at least open about their moral failings means they aren’t really politicians at all.
The final category is the dishonest figure who claims to be a beacon of truth. While the likes of Berlusconi and Johnson are incapable of hypocrisy (and by extension shame) the problem for this kind of person – think Hilary Clinton or Matteo Renzi – is that, once caught out, the incongruity of their words and actions renders them entirely inauthentic. It is in this final category that Starmer now finds himself. |
This may sound absurd, like the nonsensical grumblings of a leftist with a grudge, but allow me to explain.
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