| Ashton's managerial appointments 08:07 - Jun 23 with 2044 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
I think this is the full list.
Watford - Aidy Bothroyd & Brendan Rodgers
Oxford - Michael Appleton
Bristol City - Lee Johnson, Dean Holden & Nigel Pearson
Ipswich - Kieran McKenna
Going off the fact that every manager in this list is British, and assuming Gary O'Neil is announced soon, did Ashton look beyond the British names?
I cannot help but think that someone like Thomas Frank who is currently available, regardless of whether he would want to come here or not, should have had the book thrown at him in terms of salary. I wonder if he would still want a break if we tabled the same salary as McKenna was on here...
For me, Thomas Frank is the best option out there. Has Ashton considered a foreign manager or is he solely focused on British managers.
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:09 - Jun 23 with 1984 views | homer_123 |
Apart from the fact that Thomas Frank has said he isn't going back into management in the short term. |  |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:10 - Jun 23 with 1966 views | TheBoyBlue |
Isn't Frank having a break just like McKenna? |  |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:16 - Jun 23 with 1902 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:09 - Jun 23 by homer_123 |
Apart from the fact that Thomas Frank has said he isn't going back into management in the short term. |
Perhaps he doesn't. I don't know what contract length he was given at Spurs but they will still be paying him compensation for the sacking.
But money talks and we have shown we can pay a hefty salary to a manager - so I just wonder if it is something we have explored. We are a Premier League club now and Thomas Frank is out of work with a better CV than the manager we are about to appoint. | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:17 - Jun 23 with 1905 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure why that posted before I wrote it!
In his interview, Ashton made a big thing of being the one to give young British managers their first chance in management but added that would be more difficult to do in the Premier League. It was very clear he at least favoured British whether or not he would consider foreign. It would fit with his clear political views too. [Post edited 23 Jun 8:19]
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:20 - Jun 23 with 1871 views | homer_123 |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:17 - Jun 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure why that posted before I wrote it!
In his interview, Ashton made a big thing of being the one to give young British managers their first chance in management but added that would be more difficult to do in the Premier League. It was very clear he at least favoured British whether or not he would consider foreign. It would fit with his clear political views too. [Post edited 23 Jun 8:19]
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You didn't go there!!!! | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:28 - Jun 23 with 1818 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:20 - Jun 23 by homer_123 |
You didn't go there!!!! |
For what it's worth, as much as I hate Farage and all he stands for, I actually think the tendency to appoint British and give young British managers their first chance is a good thing. It is a pattern with Robson (not quite his first chance) and Ramsey as well as McKenna, is it not? | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:36 - Jun 23 with 1749 views | IPSWICHFANITFC |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:17 - Jun 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Not sure why that posted before I wrote it!
In his interview, Ashton made a big thing of being the one to give young British managers their first chance in management but added that would be more difficult to do in the Premier League. It was very clear he at least favoured British whether or not he would consider foreign. It would fit with his clear political views too. [Post edited 23 Jun 8:19]
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This is partly what concerns me. Have we looked outside the box at foreign managers or is MA trying to keep up a reputation of appointing British managers? | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:46 - Jun 23 with 1668 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:36 - Jun 23 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
This is partly what concerns me. Have we looked outside the box at foreign managers or is MA trying to keep up a reputation of appointing British managers? |
Or does he see managing a mainly British team as more suited to someone who is British?
There is a risk regardless of who the manager is.
At some point I am sure the club will look beyond the British Isles for a manager just as there is a hope our scouting for players will unearth some gems from wider markets than the UK.
I would like to think we positively consider foreign options for managers but Ashton's comments and actions make me think that there is heavy bent towards British whilst he is here. | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:56 - Jun 23 with 1584 views | topguy |
Every manager is a risk, MAs job i see is to minimise risk, so getting a manager who has kept a team up, and who has managed in the PL is part of that, without those things your adding more risk, yes there are other managers but some are doing gigs at the WC as is frank ange etc some have ruled themselves out dyhce LR and some slot glasner amourim we wont get, even ole is more of a risk than GON yes he has a better win rate but hes never kept a team up in the PL, MAs job in all hires is to minimise the risk and given the available candidates chose the less risky opinion even if its not sexy. | | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:57 - Jun 23 with 1577 views | Churchman |
| Ashton's managerial appointments on 08:16 - Jun 23 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
Perhaps he doesn't. I don't know what contract length he was given at Spurs but they will still be paying him compensation for the sacking.
But money talks and we have shown we can pay a hefty salary to a manager - so I just wonder if it is something we have explored. We are a Premier League club now and Thomas Frank is out of work with a better CV than the manager we are about to appoint. |
According to Wiki, Frank’s win % was the worst Spurs manager performance in their Premier League history. He lasted seven months and his contract ran until 2028. Let’s face it, he stank the place out. Just as his predecessor did and his successor has.
People will leap on the aaah but he did well at Brentford. And so he did. Given Potter’s experience at Brighton then Chelsea and of course Andrews’ great effort, again at Brentford, maybe it’s as much to do with how Premier League clubs are structured as it is the manager himself?
Secondly, if a manager is taking a break, buying him into a job doesn’t sit right with me. He’s got to want it. And that’s assuming he’s the right fit for this club. This last sentence is important.
Cook is a terrific manager, perfect for this club in League 1 under Dementor Evans where all that was left was a shambles of barely fit individuals. He was totally the wrong fit the moment Gamechanger came in and what they intended with the club became clear.
I suspect all options were explored, but I suspect we will never know. He’s hardly going to be lazing about watching the Teletubbies given his nature, the fact that he has to work with the bloke and his job and reputation hang on it. Does anyone really think the Americans won’t fire him if it all comes apart? Not exactly in their nature and these are the hard nosed business people versions.
The new manager may work, he may not. He maybe as that windbag Jordan suggests - weak. He may not be. The word of that opinionated balloon whose record in sacking managers was pitiful hardly cuts it with me.
Just give the bloke a chance. If he’s no good he’ll be gone soon enough. |  | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:57 - Jun 23 with 1577 views | Vic |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:36 - Jun 23 by IPSWICHFANITFC |
This is partly what concerns me. Have we looked outside the box at foreign managers or is MA trying to keep up a reputation of appointing British managers? |
The truth is that we just don't know. We don't know what conversations MA had with Frank (if any). Until we see a few memories i suspect we'll just carry on speculating.
FWIW - I don't particularly trust a thing MA says, but his track record of appointments is decent enough for me to have trust he's done his due diligence and not just gone with a mate. |  |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:04 - Jun 23 with 1526 views | Churchman |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:57 - Jun 23 by Vic |
The truth is that we just don't know. We don't know what conversations MA had with Frank (if any). Until we see a few memories i suspect we'll just carry on speculating.
FWIW - I don't particularly trust a thing MA says, but his track record of appointments is decent enough for me to have trust he's done his due diligence and not just gone with a mate. |
I don’t trust what MA has to say either. Come to that I trust the word of very few people, but that’s me,
His manager track record isn’t too bad. Some good, some not so. Even the Cobbolds had their failures on that front and Evans managed only single decent one amongst a cadre of dross. | | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:07 - Jun 23 with 1497 views | itfcjoe |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:57 - Jun 23 by Vic |
The truth is that we just don't know. We don't know what conversations MA had with Frank (if any). Until we see a few memories i suspect we'll just carry on speculating.
FWIW - I don't particularly trust a thing MA says, but his track record of appointments is decent enough for me to have trust he's done his due diligence and not just gone with a mate. |
Frank was linked with the Fulham job, and put out an official statement via the LMA that he wouldn't be taking a job this summer.
If he wasn't going to go to an established PL team, based in West London where he has been managing for 5 of last 6 seasons, then zero chance he was going to renege on that statement to come and manage a newly promoted club in the middle of nowhere. |  |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:13 - Jun 23 with 1424 views | homer_123 |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 08:28 - Jun 23 by Nthsuffolkblue |
For what it's worth, as much as I hate Farage and all he stands for, I actually think the tendency to appoint British and give young British managers their first chance is a good thing. It is a pattern with Robson (not quite his first chance) and Ramsey as well as McKenna, is it not? |
I was being a tad facetious. | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 09:26 - Jun 23 with 1329 views | bsw72 |
Maybe, just maybe, Ashton has considered what is best for the club at this time, considering the current squad and recent promotion, the finances and the fact he is far closer to what is happening than anyone on here. Again that’s supposition on my part but it’s not as conspiracy fuelled as some of the other stuff that is getting posted.
I think Gary O’Neil is a very good choice for the club right now, he has relevant experience of managing clubs at the lower end of the table and keeping them in the league. I am expecting the club to go for an initial 2 year deal to not overcommit on either side but to also give him the support in the transfer market.
Historically domestic managers have a better record of keeping mid to low level clubs in the PL, but as the Premier League becomes increasingly globalised in its coaching philosophy, that advantage is narrowing, with foreign managers like Iraola and Le Bris demonstrating that continental approaches can translate effectively to the survival fight, but not sure whether now is the right time for Town to gamble on that. |  | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:31 - Jun 23 with 1257 views | bsw72 |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:04 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
I don’t trust what MA has to say either. Come to that I trust the word of very few people, but that’s me,
His manager track record isn’t too bad. Some good, some not so. Even the Cobbolds had their failures on that front and Evans managed only single decent one amongst a cadre of dross. |
I still can’t believe that the Cobbolds appointed that guy who’d failed at Fulham after just one season, what was his name again? | | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:37 - Jun 23 with 1188 views | bsw72 |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:07 - Jun 23 by itfcjoe |
Frank was linked with the Fulham job, and put out an official statement via the LMA that he wouldn't be taking a job this summer.
If he wasn't going to go to an established PL team, based in West London where he has been managing for 5 of last 6 seasons, then zero chance he was going to renege on that statement to come and manage a newly promoted club in the middle of nowhere. |
Also Frank was fired by Spurs which almost certainly means he is still getting some kind of severance payments which would stop if he took another job, contract was worth about £8M per year. Rosenior will be in a similar position. | | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:42 - Jun 23 with 1163 views | Churchman |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:31 - Jun 23 by bsw72 |
I still can’t believe that the Cobbolds appointed that guy who’d failed at Fulham after just one season, what was his name again? |
Nobby Bobson I think! I seemed to remember reading they were after Frank O’Farrell and Billy Bingham but both said no thanks.
They really put their faith in judging the man didn’t they. Always good judges of character. Even abject failure Milburn was a lovely bloke. It’s just that management just wasn’t for him.
Ferguson? Never liked that appointment at the time. I saw the idea but something about Bobby F never filled me with confidence.
Duncan? I thought he’d be a breath of fresh air. Turned out to be a breath of butt gas. Lyall? Inspired. Oh well, win some lose some. | | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:59 - Jun 23 with 1093 views | bsw72 |
| Ashton's managerial appointments (n/t) on 09:42 - Jun 23 by Churchman |
Nobby Bobson I think! I seemed to remember reading they were after Frank O’Farrell and Billy Bingham but both said no thanks.
They really put their faith in judging the man didn’t they. Always good judges of character. Even abject failure Milburn was a lovely bloke. It’s just that management just wasn’t for him.
Ferguson? Never liked that appointment at the time. I saw the idea but something about Bobby F never filled me with confidence.
Duncan? I thought he’d be a breath of fresh air. Turned out to be a breath of butt gas. Lyall? Inspired. Oh well, win some lose some. |
Ferguson was a mistake underpinned by the Cobbolds loyalty, none of us felt right about it but hoped it would work out. | | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments on 10:26 - Jun 23 with 989 views | Guthrum |
How do you know we didn't try that with Frank and he still wanted his break?
People seem to dismiss UK managers as somehow inferior. Perhaps it's because overseas names have a bit of mystery and exoticism about them, promising magical ways of playing. Perhaps because we haven't had anyone of the stature of an Alex Ferguson at the very highest level for a while. Perhaps it's a function of the number of foreign-owned clubs. Perhaps the fact that UK-born gaffers run many teams in the lower divisions. Whatever reasons, there is a degree of inverted snobbery about home-grown managers.
Being pedantic, two of the names on that list are not British, they are from Northern Ireland. |  |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 12:22 - Jun 23 with 750 views | BondiBlue |
Interesting.
I thought you were going to say something more along the lines of "there are some decent managers in there". | |
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| Ashton's managerial appointments on 13:25 - Jun 23 with 604 views | BloomBlue |
This 'arguement' about British I find strange. Thomas Frank is obviously foreign born but has been a manager in Britain for 8+ years. From a footballing perspective, in my eyes, that basically makes him British. O'Neil has been in the French league. Surely the aim of using a non British manager is to bring new ideas from other leagues.
As I've said on other posts Thomas Frank was my preferred option but people keep quoting GON'S stats, well Frank's stats at Spurs were terrible, he was single-handedly relegating Spurs. Also fans quoting Wolves & B'mouth fans as a way of kicking GON, (& yes I know Spurs fans are entitled) but go any have a look at what Spurs fans opinion is of Frank. |  | | |
| Ashton's managerial appointments on 13:30 - Jun 23 with 573 views | itfc_statman |
I think, ultimately, we can't control the decision and we've all given our opinions on it.
Yes, I think it's an awful appointment that will see the end of both O'Neil by Christmas and hopefully Ashton by the end of the season.
In the mean time, get behind them all, including O'Neil, pray for a miracle and see what happens | | | |
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