| F1 fans 14:18 - Jun 28 with 1150 views | BelsteadCav |
What do you think of the new regulations?
I wasn’t sure at the start, but today’s race is pretty good [Post edited 28 Jun 14:43]
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| F1 fans on 14:40 - Jun 28 with 1078 views | stonojnr |
Erm its the Austrian GP, and the regulations just have wrecked the sport because its turned it into Mario kart, Silverstone next weekend they'll be fiddling with the energy recovery zones so it doesn't look embarrassing down the Hangar Straight into Stowe or on the old startline alongto Copse. Both of which used to be absolute measures of the top drivers
fine if Netflix drive to survive is your thing its probably entertaining. But its not the version of f1 I grew up with and enjoyed watching. |  | | |
| F1 fans on 14:42 - Jun 28 with 1054 views | BelsteadCav |
| F1 fans on 14:40 - Jun 28 by stonojnr |
Erm its the Austrian GP, and the regulations just have wrecked the sport because its turned it into Mario kart, Silverstone next weekend they'll be fiddling with the energy recovery zones so it doesn't look embarrassing down the Hangar Straight into Stowe or on the old startline alongto Copse. Both of which used to be absolute measures of the top drivers
fine if Netflix drive to survive is your thing its probably entertaining. But its not the version of f1 I grew up with and enjoyed watching. |
lol I’m at the wrong track | |
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| F1 fans on 16:21 - Jun 28 with 950 views | Trequartista |
I think it's marginally better for spectators and marginally worse for the drivers and the purists. |  |
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| F1 fans on 19:56 - Jun 28 with 809 views | StokieBlue |
| F1 fans on 14:40 - Jun 28 by stonojnr |
Erm its the Austrian GP, and the regulations just have wrecked the sport because its turned it into Mario kart, Silverstone next weekend they'll be fiddling with the energy recovery zones so it doesn't look embarrassing down the Hangar Straight into Stowe or on the old startline alongto Copse. Both of which used to be absolute measures of the top drivers
fine if Netflix drive to survive is your thing its probably entertaining. But its not the version of f1 I grew up with and enjoyed watching. |
The issue is the last two sets of technical directives didn't work either.
Nobody could follow closely and nobody could overtake unless they used the "Mario Kart" DRS so I think it's unfair to single out these latest regulations as simply "Mario Kart".
The F1 you grew up with is gone, all the teams have incredibly intelligent people working for them, simulators and very accurate modelling. The differences that used to exist or would allow a car to follow closely are mainly gone because all teams can look at the airflow and easily design accordingly.
Technology has made F1 what is today but it's never going to be like the 80s and 90s no matter what they do.
I guess you could put them all in the same cars but F1 has always been about innovation so that would take that away and all the drivers are so good nowadays I still don't think there would be much overtaking.
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| F1 fans on 21:12 - Jun 28 with 709 views | Benters |
I don’t like the new quieter cars tbh. |  |
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| F1 fans on 04:12 - Jun 29 with 605 views | TheBlueGnu |
I once partook in the West Suffolk Grand Prix. This involved racing in an old G reg Hillman Imp around a circuit which encompassed Horringer, Rede, Hawkedon, Stansfield, Denston, WIckhambrook, Depden, and then back through Horringer. | |
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| F1 fans on 04:24 - Jun 29 with 581 views | Benters |
| F1 fans on 04:12 - Jun 29 by TheBlueGnu |
I once partook in the West Suffolk Grand Prix. This involved racing in an old G reg Hillman Imp around a circuit which encompassed Horringer, Rede, Hawkedon, Stansfield, Denston, WIckhambrook, Depden, and then back through Horringer. |
Sounds great.
I saw a old Mk1 Mini the other day thrashing around the lanes of Benters,I myself had a MK1,they are much better and nicer looking than these new Minis.
I love the old British Cars. | |
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| F1 fans on 13:54 - Jun 30 with 357 views | TheBlueGnu |
| F1 fans on 04:24 - Jun 29 by Benters |
Sounds great.
I saw a old Mk1 Mini the other day thrashing around the lanes of Benters,I myself had a MK1,they are much better and nicer looking than these new Minis.
I love the old British Cars. |
I believe that the old Inventor from the popular children's programme "Take Hart" - namely Wilf Lunn, enjoying touring around the north of England in such a motor vehicle. | |
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| F1 fans on 13:57 - Jun 30 with 354 views | Zx1988 |
| F1 fans on 19:56 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
The issue is the last two sets of technical directives didn't work either.
Nobody could follow closely and nobody could overtake unless they used the "Mario Kart" DRS so I think it's unfair to single out these latest regulations as simply "Mario Kart".
The F1 you grew up with is gone, all the teams have incredibly intelligent people working for them, simulators and very accurate modelling. The differences that used to exist or would allow a car to follow closely are mainly gone because all teams can look at the airflow and easily design accordingly.
Technology has made F1 what is today but it's never going to be like the 80s and 90s no matter what they do.
I guess you could put them all in the same cars but F1 has always been about innovation so that would take that away and all the drivers are so good nowadays I still don't think there would be much overtaking.
SB [Post edited 28 Jun 19:57]
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It would never take off but, as a mid-point, I'd like to see the sprint races run in 'stock' cars, thus turning them into a genuine test of driving skill, rather than being decided by which team has the better tech. | |
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| F1 fans on 15:34 - Jun 30 with 273 views | Benters |
| F1 fans on 13:54 - Jun 30 by TheBlueGnu |
I believe that the old Inventor from the popular children's programme "Take Hart" - namely Wilf Lunn, enjoying touring around the north of England in such a motor vehicle. |
Look at John Noakes in his soft top Morris Minor,shep by his side living the best life.TWTD. | |
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| F1 fans on 17:32 - Jun 30 with 236 views | Oldsmoker |
I would be interested to see the current F1 engines fitted on a twin-chassis or duo-coque platform.
They banned it in 1981 because it gave Lotus a monumental advantage.
When Brawn F1 (Buttons world crown) ran with the double diffuser, they allowed it, and all the other teams had to catch up by developing their own version.
The twin-chassis was killed at birth - shame. |  |
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| F1 fans on 18:34 - Jun 30 with 202 views | mellowblue |
overtaking is no longer such a test of skill. Seems fake to me. Though I did enjoy the race, if it had two more laps it could have been very interesting. | | | |
| F1 fans on 19:17 - Jun 30 with 180 views | stonojnr |
| F1 fans on 19:56 - Jun 28 by StokieBlue |
The issue is the last two sets of technical directives didn't work either.
Nobody could follow closely and nobody could overtake unless they used the "Mario Kart" DRS so I think it's unfair to single out these latest regulations as simply "Mario Kart".
The F1 you grew up with is gone, all the teams have incredibly intelligent people working for them, simulators and very accurate modelling. The differences that used to exist or would allow a car to follow closely are mainly gone because all teams can look at the airflow and easily design accordingly.
Technology has made F1 what is today but it's never going to be like the 80s and 90s no matter what they do.
I guess you could put them all in the same cars but F1 has always been about innovation so that would take that away and all the drivers are so good nowadays I still don't think there would be much overtaking.
SB [Post edited 28 Jun 19:57]
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fwiw was never a fan of DRS either, but it at least didnt guarantee an overtake all the time, there were a few times where the got the zones wrong and it became a bit of a joke, but by and large you still needed a faster car, and the skill to overtake.
Norris said from an earlier race this year, his car ECU was basically deciding when to overtake, not him, and there were times when he didnt want to overtake but it forced him to. Thats not motorsport of any flavour I know, the driver is supposed to be completely in control of the car, not the tech, though notably since that comment theyve dialled down that effect.
but F1 is stuck in a system where the teams and manufacturers decide the rules, and theyre the last people who should get to choose, because theyre only in self interest mode, not does this make the sport look good overall and let an independent technical group of former F1 engineers decide things
Which they were heading towards that model with Ross Brawn in charge, but seem to have gone away again.
But they didnt need DRS if theyd limited development on the rear wing/front wing, you dont have to go so far as lower formula where its set with only a few adjustments you can make. But nobody looks at a car 30 years ago and says boy that front wing looks old fashioned because they didnt spend 200hrs with a computer doing fluid dynamics on it and spending millions for such tiny modifications that the cameras never picked up anyway even when they werent using drunken drone operators.
you simplify the wings, you clean up the air behind the cars, they can then draft each other much closer and use slipstream to overtake.
but I saw Maxs comments earlier about his sim sessions at Silverstone, and it sounds like it will be horrible race to watch, he said most of the corners will just be flat out in these cars, and theyll have run out of energy for half a lap. It will be interesting to see how many onboard shots we get through Becketts this year. | | | |
| F1 fans on 19:33 - Jun 30 with 164 views | Kievthegreat |
| F1 fans on 17:32 - Jun 30 by Oldsmoker |
I would be interested to see the current F1 engines fitted on a twin-chassis or duo-coque platform.
They banned it in 1981 because it gave Lotus a monumental advantage.
When Brawn F1 (Buttons world crown) ran with the double diffuser, they allowed it, and all the other teams had to catch up by developing their own version.
The twin-chassis was killed at birth - shame. |
I think the car has a place in F1 mythology, but I don't think it's the right path engineering wise. It adds a lot of mechanical complexity and was only pursued because the FIA banned skirts. If you wanted to maximise down force from ground effect, skirts are a far simpler and lighter solution. Combine that with active suspension which was on the way, it would have been a simpler and arguably more effective to run a single active chassis with skirts.
It's a fun idea and a Colin Chapman classic, middle finger to the spirit of the rules, but I don't think it was the future. |  | | |
| F1 fans on 22:53 - Jun 30 with 76 views | TheBlueGnu |
| F1 fans on 15:34 - Jun 30 by Benters |
Look at John Noakes in his soft top Morris Minor,shep by his side living the best life.TWTD. |
Happy days indeed. Similarly, Bernard Cribbins often recited stories for Jackanory whilst sitting astride his old Triumph Bonneville. | |
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