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I dunno how much twtd have felt the prices going up and up when eating and drinking out, but is there likely to be much of a reduction?
The margins are so slim anyway and so many go to the wall up here all the time. With a £2 bus fare is this going to revitalise the night time economy much? Strikes me that youngsters don’t go out and drink like we did, so can we expect much of a cultural shift?
It all seems a bit bitty, contradictory and chaotic, with no real overarching narrative and no indication as to how the adverse changes in the last 40 odd years can be ameliorated. But I suppose the very short handover doesn't help and could be said to be a bit spiteful from Starmer.
Pubs and clubs etc getting a 20% cut in business rates on 14:45 - Jul 23 by J2BLUE
Make teachers work 50% of school holidays doing community service.
They can’t even fund what we are owed now! If they had to pay us for the holidays too they’d be in a massive mess.
One thing they could do instead of pay rises for public sector workers, is tax cuts instead. Would also solve the teacher retention crisis if a £40k wage was suddenly worth closer to £50k etc
Pubs and clubs etc getting a 20% cut in business rates on 13:52 - Jul 23 by Swansea_Blue
Obviously we do need another one if we’re going to have pushback on policies that would close the gap on effective tax rates between the rich and the poor. I don’t see why we shouldn’t expect parity. Why should those receiving the bulk of their income through investment vehicles or complex company structures not pay the same tax rates at the same thresholds as a PAYE worker on the median wage? What moral justification can there be for the very well off having say a 10% effective tax rate while the poorest have rates of over 40%. At the moment the tax system seems a mess. It’s even highly variable for those at the very top depending how they’ve structured their income and wealth.
I think you’re a very good and well informed poster but this is bobbins.
There are no such structures in the UK anymore - it would be unimaginable anybody living in the UK in 2026 has an effective tax rate of 10%.
If you are UK resident and receive income, even in the form of a distribution from a trust, you pay income tax.
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Pubs and clubs etc getting a 20% cut in business rates on 15:08 - Jul 23 with 443 views
Depends how much of that is passed onto the customers really.
I enjoy going out and having a pint as much as the next person. As a result, I know the cost of a pint of Guinness in a lot of the fine establishments around our town.
I'm torn as to whether I'll be dissuaded from visiting a pub which doesn't pass anything onto the customers.
On one hand, it will boost their profits, but at the expense of the customer. On the other hand, cheaper pints perhaps = more pints bought and more customers = boosted profits.
They are, of course, businesses, but I think the trickle down (or lack of) will be telling.
EDIT: Should have read the thread... 2p off my pint of Guinness is not going to change anything for the customers.
Pubs and clubs etc getting a 20% cut in business rates on 15:08 - Jul 23 by Ralphinho
Depends how much of that is passed onto the customers really.
I enjoy going out and having a pint as much as the next person. As a result, I know the cost of a pint of Guinness in a lot of the fine establishments around our town.
I'm torn as to whether I'll be dissuaded from visiting a pub which doesn't pass anything onto the customers.
On one hand, it will boost their profits, but at the expense of the customer. On the other hand, cheaper pints perhaps = more pints bought and more customers = boosted profits.
They are, of course, businesses, but I think the trickle down (or lack of) will be telling.
EDIT: Should have read the thread... 2p off my pint of Guinness is not going to change anything for the customers.
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Given the rate at which pubs are going out of business, I'm not sure it's really incumbent on them to pass the savings onto consumers.
I do think there's good political work to be done on just making things easier for hospitality businesses and local shops. As the broader commercial environment for them gets worse, we need to start thinking about what we want town centres and local shopping parades to look like and how we achieve that, rather than just allowing market forces to turn everything into betting shops.
Pubs and clubs etc getting a 20% cut in business rates on 15:40 - Jul 23 by jayessess
Given the rate at which pubs are going out of business, I'm not sure it's really incumbent on them to pass the savings onto consumers.
I do think there's good political work to be done on just making things easier for hospitality businesses and local shops. As the broader commercial environment for them gets worse, we need to start thinking about what we want town centres and local shopping parades to look like and how we achieve that, rather than just allowing market forces to turn everything into betting shops.
In Manchester we’ve seen a lot of gentrification in old malls/shopping centres as house prices go up and a new wave come in. Certain areas getting hipster bars, Pilates studios and sourdough emporiums etc where the traditional high streets were.
I’m not sure that’s sustainable or appropriate for everywhere, but there seems to be much more hubs of leisure based shopping and a resignation that supermarkets take care of the groceries and basics so these businesses can offer something more bourgeois.
Pubs and clubs etc getting a 20% cut in business rates on 16:18 - Jul 23 by Mullet
In Manchester we’ve seen a lot of gentrification in old malls/shopping centres as house prices go up and a new wave come in. Certain areas getting hipster bars, Pilates studios and sourdough emporiums etc where the traditional high streets were.
I’m not sure that’s sustainable or appropriate for everywhere, but there seems to be much more hubs of leisure based shopping and a resignation that supermarkets take care of the groceries and basics so these businesses can offer something more bourgeois.
Sourdough? In the north?
I thought you lot were still getting your heads around fire.
I am not sure why restauramts are excluded. After all a lot of pubs now are restaurants that also sell booze. There is not a clear demarcation between them now.
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