| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:14 - Aug 2 with 1120 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:33 - Aug 1 by GlasgowBlue |
And all that you list is as much to do with Alfie Cohen in Golders Green as the Islamist attack in Berlin has to do with Omar Khan of Tower Hamlets.
Next I meet I see my Chinese neighbour I’ll demand that he is more vocal about Xi’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That way less people will be racist towards him and his family.
Staggering that people think this way. Racism is always the fault of the racists. Not the victims. |
I'm not victim blaming. I'm suggesting that institutions Jewish and others that could, should call out Israel. Instead we have continued support for this regime and it's fundamental complete disregard for the very basic human rights of others. |  | |  |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:25 - Aug 2 with 1070 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:02 - Aug 1 by pointofblue |
And, as stated, the prevalent belief that people of Islam should call out the actions of Hamas and Al Qaeda it was rightly shouted down that they should not be responsible for actions of the extreme.
Blaming innocent people because of the actions of others who happen to follow their creed or sect is the start of a very slippery slope.
It is good that the BBC is publicising these beliefs, however. It's good for as many people as possible to find out how ridiculous these views are, as well as dangerousm |
Perhaps you or GB who has upped your post could explain why this view is ridiculous and dangerous.
Again I'm not victim blaming. I'm suggesting that institutions Jewish and otherwise could distance themselves from the Israeli regime and agenda. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:32 - Aug 2 with 1046 views | Ryorry |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:25 - Aug 2 by SouthBucksBlue |
Perhaps you or GB who has upped your post could explain why this view is ridiculous and dangerous.
Again I'm not victim blaming. I'm suggesting that institutions Jewish and otherwise could distance themselves from the Israeli regime and agenda. |
Might have misunderstood, but I thought it was the view of the Israeli settler that was (surely correctly) being called “ridiculous and dangerous”. |  |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:35 - Aug 2 with 1036 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 19:44 - Aug 1 by wrightsrightglove |
I think this is pretty misguided in truth. I hate the actions of Israel as much as anyone, and I have my reasons for that, but I don’t think calling on just the Jewish community to speak up against it is right or fair. Anyone supporting the actions of Israel’s government is despicable, regardless of their religion, in the same way that anyone supporting Hamas’ actions is equally despicable. We should all call out these horrendous actions at every opportunity, but expecting one particular group to take the lead on that isn’t right in my opinion. |
Yes that's a good point.
I think there's a reluctance among non jewish organisations to call out Israel as Israel labels any critisism as antisemetism. It jewish institutions take the lead it can't. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:37 - Aug 2 with 1024 views | pointofblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:25 - Aug 2 by SouthBucksBlue |
Perhaps you or GB who has upped your post could explain why this view is ridiculous and dangerous.
Again I'm not victim blaming. I'm suggesting that institutions Jewish and otherwise could distance themselves from the Israeli regime and agenda. |
Yes, I mean the Israeli Settler's view is ridiculous and dangerous, and whilst others have questioned why the BBC have given them airtime - which I understand - I'm personally glad they have as their reasoning is now out there, in black and white. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:39 - Aug 2 with 1020 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:25 - Aug 2 by SouthBucksBlue |
Perhaps you or GB who has upped your post could explain why this view is ridiculous and dangerous.
Again I'm not victim blaming. I'm suggesting that institutions Jewish and otherwise could distance themselves from the Israeli regime and agenda. |
Why should an Irish Dance group, in Australia, have to come out and apologise for Irish terrorism.
It’s arrogance.
You are telling a minority group of people that have zero responsibility for an act, how to act.
Do all environmental groups have to apologise and distance themselves from Just Stop Oil.
Does the RSPCA have distance themselves when animal rights activists attack people.
Why are you telling Jewish people in Venezuela what they should? |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:05 - Aug 2 with 945 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:24 - Aug 2 by eireblue |
When I was growing up in the UK, and my accent wasn’t obviously from Suffolk, I didn’t much enjoy being compared to Irish terrorists. Or on occasion being spat at. My first real job in the UK came about after I was considering taking my case to the Campaign for Racial Equality that was taking UK government to court for discrimination against people like myself. When I got that job, I was still summoned to the boss, to be told they were worried about my “divided” loyalty.
I also always remember a teacher telling a bunch of National Front campaigners to get away from the school, and saying what they could do with their leaflets. They weren’t keen on Irish people, it was before it was cool. Strangely enough a person I had been at a previous Catholic school, and who brought presents back from the Popes visit was a member of the NF.
Anyhoo, “a natural response of reasonable people”
Bollox. |
The" a natural response of reasonable people”Bollox comment Is just to rationalise the anti Jewish reaction to ( like yourself ) completely innocent people who have no hand act or part in this genocide being targeted. I might have worded it better by using the words motmal or average but the point still stands. I keep hearing about the rise of real and imagined Antisemitism in the world which seems to be happening but there is no connection been drawn to the behaviour of Isreal in all of this. Apparently thats not a justification because a few Israeli citizens don't agree with the carry on and there have been protests.
I want to know the justification for Isreals treatment of Palestinians because it seems clear that there is no justification for a one state solution and genocide of the Palestinian people.
As an aside your experiences shows why the Irish have historically supported the Palestinian cause. | | | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:05 - Aug 2 with 944 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 08:21 - Aug 2 by GlasgowBlue |
Using your logic, the Israeli electorate will bear the same responsibility as those who re elected the Blair government in 2005, just two years after 200,000 innocent civilians were killed in his illegal war in Iraq. Thankfully, the latest polls suggest that the Israeli electorate won’t do that.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel
And for those who don’t know, Netanyahu hasn’t won a majority fur several years and is only kept in power by a coalition with extremism’s and terrorist supporters.
And there have been many anti war protests by Israelis since October 7.
“ On 9 November 2023, Israeli police arrested former MK Mohammad Barakeh in Nazareth for attempting to organize an anti-war protest.[58][59] In an interview with Time Magazine, Barakeh described Israel's crackdowns on free speech as fascist.[60] Israeli anti-Zionists reported hostility, threats from far-right groups, police brutality, and being perceived as "traitors".[61]
On 18 November 2023, Israel held its first permitted anti-war protest in Tel Aviv.[62] Two activists in Haifa were arrested for quietly protesting against the war.[63] On 27 December, protesters from northern Israeli border towns protested in Tel Aviv, demanding to know when they would be allowed to return home.[64] On 17 January 2024, a peaceful anti-war protest in Tel Aviv was broken up by police for "harming the feelings of the public".[65] Palestinian and Jewish Israelis held a protest calling for the end of the war on 20 January 2024.[66] One protester stated, "The government and the police in particular have done everything in their power to prevent [Jews and Arabs] from coming together."[67] The protest was allowed after the organizers took it all the way to the Supreme Court.[68]
Oren Ziv, a journalist for +972 Magazine, posted a video on social media showing police confiscating an anti-war banner on 27 January 2024 that stated "stop the genocide".[69] On 14 February, protesters demonstrated outside Israel's Defence Ministry, calling for a ceasefire and the protection of children in Rafah.[70] On 29 February, activists from Standing Together held up bags of flour in protest of the Al-Rashid massacre, stating, "In Gaza today more than a hundred people were killed in line for flour and food. The war and the killing of hungry and innocent people do not bring us security, they only give birth to more pain".[71] On 1 March, protesters in Kafr Kanna called for an end to the war, to Israel's attacks on Palestinians, and to Israel's planned invasion of Rafah.[72] On 9 March, protesters in Umm al-Fahm demonstrated in opposition to the war.[73] Protesters paraglided over Netanyahu's home on 25 March, carrying slogans accusing him for not taking responsibility for the 7 October attack.[74]
Five members of the Free Jerusalem movement were reportedly arrested for "protesting against the criminal attack on Gaza".[75] In May 2024, six anti-war protesters were forcibly arrested during a Palestinian solidarity demonstration in Haifa.[76] In June 2024, Israeli police arrested at least three antiwar demonstrators protesting against the Nuseirat refugee camp massacre.[77][78]
In April 2025, thousands of Israelis held anti-war demonstrations in Tel Aviv against Israel's actions against Palestinians and holding pictures of Palestinian children who had been killed by Israel.[79]”
Edit. And to highlight the hypocrisy. Across the world, including a firebombing in Toronto last night, many Jewish shops and business have been attacked because of the actions of the Israeli state. Despite no connection to Israel.Russia invaded Ukraine, flattened cities, took their children and bought them up as Russian, a feature of genocide. And yet you can have a Russian shop in a London and, quite rightly, not be attacked or protested outside of.
https://dachashop.co.uk/?route
It appears only Jews are held responsible for the actions of a foreign government. [Post edited 2 Aug 8:51]
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You make various points here but israel is not just a foreign government with respect to the worldwide jewish community.
Also:
'And yet you can have a Russian shop in a London and, quite rightly, not be attacked or protested outside of.'
What if that Russian shop had had opened since the invasion of Ukraine a few metres from a Ukrainian owned shop and competing for the same type of customer.
i'm not condoning any vandalism but it wouldn't be suprising if it occured. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:11 - Aug 2 with 925 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:32 - Aug 2 by Ryorry |
Might have misunderstood, but I thought it was the view of the Israeli settler that was (surely correctly) being called “ridiculous and dangerous”. |
Sorry yes you may be right. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:48 - Aug 2 with 872 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:05 - Aug 2 by eirannach_gorm |
The" a natural response of reasonable people”Bollox comment Is just to rationalise the anti Jewish reaction to ( like yourself ) completely innocent people who have no hand act or part in this genocide being targeted. I might have worded it better by using the words motmal or average but the point still stands. I keep hearing about the rise of real and imagined Antisemitism in the world which seems to be happening but there is no connection been drawn to the behaviour of Isreal in all of this. Apparently thats not a justification because a few Israeli citizens don't agree with the carry on and there have been protests.
I want to know the justification for Isreals treatment of Palestinians because it seems clear that there is no justification for a one state solution and genocide of the Palestinian people.
As an aside your experiences shows why the Irish have historically supported the Palestinian cause. |
“ rationalise the anti Jewish reaction to ( like yourself ) completely innocent people who have no hand act or part in this genocide being targeted. I might have worded it better by using the words motmal or average but the point still stands.”
I don’t think the point does still stand.
You don’t try and rationalise it.
You should oppose it and explain why it is wrong and irrational, whenever someone tries to rationalise it.
You didn’t read fully the message of that post. The teacher that was standing up against the bigots promoting prejudice against Irish people and others, was British, but mostly he was a human. Pretty sure he would be equally comfortable standing up for any minority.
You can want multiple groups of people to live without fear and oppression and violence and death at the same time.
“I want to know the justification..”
Find someone who justifies it and ask them. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:15 - Aug 2 with 846 views | SouthBucksBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:37 - Aug 2 by pointofblue |
Yes, I mean the Israeli Settler's view is ridiculous and dangerous, and whilst others have questioned why the BBC have given them airtime - which I understand - I'm personally glad they have as their reasoning is now out there, in black and white. |
Sorry yes I misunderstood and it was absolutely right for the BBC to have broadcast this. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:24 - Aug 2 with 824 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 13:48 - Aug 2 by eireblue |
“ rationalise the anti Jewish reaction to ( like yourself ) completely innocent people who have no hand act or part in this genocide being targeted. I might have worded it better by using the words motmal or average but the point still stands.”
I don’t think the point does still stand.
You don’t try and rationalise it.
You should oppose it and explain why it is wrong and irrational, whenever someone tries to rationalise it.
You didn’t read fully the message of that post. The teacher that was standing up against the bigots promoting prejudice against Irish people and others, was British, but mostly he was a human. Pretty sure he would be equally comfortable standing up for any minority.
You can want multiple groups of people to live without fear and oppression and violence and death at the same time.
“I want to know the justification..”
Find someone who justifies it and ask them. |
Just for clarity I oppose bigotry and racism. That is not the point I am making here. I also oppose antisemitism but am linking attacks of every nature on Jews around the world with the behaviour of a manufactured Jewish country. The way I see it there should be no tolerance for bigotry, racism, antisemitism or Israels treatment of Palastinian. You seem to have a different view. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:45 - Aug 2 with 770 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:24 - Aug 2 by eirannach_gorm |
Just for clarity I oppose bigotry and racism. That is not the point I am making here. I also oppose antisemitism but am linking attacks of every nature on Jews around the world with the behaviour of a manufactured Jewish country. The way I see it there should be no tolerance for bigotry, racism, antisemitism or Israels treatment of Palastinian. You seem to have a different view. |
Nice response to my question GlasgowBlue. I was trying to engage rationally with you on this subject but that is clearly not possible. Div listed. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:46 - Aug 2 with 763 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:24 - Aug 2 by eirannach_gorm |
Just for clarity I oppose bigotry and racism. That is not the point I am making here. I also oppose antisemitism but am linking attacks of every nature on Jews around the world with the behaviour of a manufactured Jewish country. The way I see it there should be no tolerance for bigotry, racism, antisemitism or Israels treatment of Palastinian. You seem to have a different view. |
I was going to stop replying to you. However, I'll take the bait. Manufactured Jewish country? Israel was called Israel long before the term Palestine, England, Ireland, France, Germany etc was ever in use.
Would you be comfortable if somebody called Pakistan a manufactured Muslim country? [Post edited 2 Aug 14:51]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:47 - Aug 2 with 756 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 11:24 - Aug 2 by eireblue |
When I was growing up in the UK, and my accent wasn’t obviously from Suffolk, I didn’t much enjoy being compared to Irish terrorists. Or on occasion being spat at. My first real job in the UK came about after I was considering taking my case to the Campaign for Racial Equality that was taking UK government to court for discrimination against people like myself. When I got that job, I was still summoned to the boss, to be told they were worried about my “divided” loyalty.
I also always remember a teacher telling a bunch of National Front campaigners to get away from the school, and saying what they could do with their leaflets. They weren’t keen on Irish people, it was before it was cool. Strangely enough a person I had been at a previous Catholic school, and who brought presents back from the Popes visit was a member of the NF.
Anyhoo, “a natural response of reasonable people”
Bollox. |
A.I...
British Jews maintain a strong, widespread affinity and emotional attachment to Israel, alongside deep concern for its welfare, according to data from the Institute of Jewish Policy Research (JPR). Key findings show 77% to 78% feel attached to Israel, 88% view it as the ancestral homeland, and 71% feel a great deal of concern for Israelis, even as opinions on Israeli political leadership remain heavily critical. [1, 2, 3]
Core Measures of Affinity
Ancestral Connection: 88% of British Jews regard Israel as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people.
Emotional Attachment: 77% report feeling attached to Israel, with high rates of personal visits and familial ties.
Concern for Citizens: 71% express a great deal of personal concern for the lives and safety of Israelis. [1, 2, 3]
You have to wonder surely with your attitude why academics repeatedly bother to research the views of non Israel resident views about that country in a way they never would about the wider Muslim population about say Afghanistan!! The difference is obvious but there are some that refuse to acknowledge it so as to be able to throw accusations around!
https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:57 - Aug 2 with 746 views | J2BLUE |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:47 - Aug 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A.I...
British Jews maintain a strong, widespread affinity and emotional attachment to Israel, alongside deep concern for its welfare, according to data from the Institute of Jewish Policy Research (JPR). Key findings show 77% to 78% feel attached to Israel, 88% view it as the ancestral homeland, and 71% feel a great deal of concern for Israelis, even as opinions on Israeli political leadership remain heavily critical. [1, 2, 3]
Core Measures of Affinity
Ancestral Connection: 88% of British Jews regard Israel as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people.
Emotional Attachment: 77% report feeling attached to Israel, with high rates of personal visits and familial ties.
Concern for Citizens: 71% express a great deal of personal concern for the lives and safety of Israelis. [1, 2, 3]
You have to wonder surely with your attitude why academics repeatedly bother to research the views of non Israel resident views about that country in a way they never would about the wider Muslim population about say Afghanistan!! The difference is obvious but there are some that refuse to acknowledge it so as to be able to throw accusations around!
https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports
antisemitism-and-jewish-life |
I wonder why Jewish people might feel more reassured by the existence of a strong well armed Israel. Anyone? It's a mystery isn't it. |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 15:09 - Aug 2 with 719 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:57 - Aug 2 by J2BLUE |
I wonder why Jewish people might feel more reassured by the existence of a strong well armed Israel. Anyone? It's a mystery isn't it. |
Spectacularly nothing whatsoever to do with the preceding debate, you in your reply are essentially reinforcing the point that there is a unique situation regarding the wider Jewish dispora and Isreal that doesn't hold for other demographics which I believe is the point being made. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 16:18 - Aug 2 with 666 views | Blueschev |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:46 - Aug 2 by GlasgowBlue |
I was going to stop replying to you. However, I'll take the bait. Manufactured Jewish country? Israel was called Israel long before the term Palestine, England, Ireland, France, Germany etc was ever in use.
Would you be comfortable if somebody called Pakistan a manufactured Muslim country? [Post edited 2 Aug 14:51]
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Pakistan is a manufactured Muslim country. |  | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:07 - Aug 2 with 609 views | Ryorry |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 12:59 - Aug 2 by DJR |
This has been downvoted but to take an example, Wes Streeting said in Whatsap messages to Peter Mandelson
“Israel is committing war crimes before our eyes,” and is committing “rogue state behaviour” in the West Bank.
This is not something that any member of the Labour government has said in public.
When questioned recently, he toned it down and said Israel had fallen short, something of a euphemism.  [Post edited 2 Aug 13:05]
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You've completely ignored that several people on here alone, either Jewish or with Jewish spouses or other connections, have condemned MANY times, on numerous occasions, Netanyahu's appalling and illegal actions - so you can't have failed to see those protests, as you're frequently on these threads.
That highlights exactly what I said earlier about having no traction - when even you are deaf/blind/able to forgot those posts, it shows in microcosm the pointlessness of such protests/condemnations; & how appalling it is to blame the Jewish diaspora themselves for the antisemitism aimed at them. [Post edited 2 Aug 17:37]
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:13 - Aug 2 with 606 views | Ryorry |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:47 - Aug 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A.I...
British Jews maintain a strong, widespread affinity and emotional attachment to Israel, alongside deep concern for its welfare, according to data from the Institute of Jewish Policy Research (JPR). Key findings show 77% to 78% feel attached to Israel, 88% view it as the ancestral homeland, and 71% feel a great deal of concern for Israelis, even as opinions on Israeli political leadership remain heavily critical. [1, 2, 3]
Core Measures of Affinity
Ancestral Connection: 88% of British Jews regard Israel as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people.
Emotional Attachment: 77% report feeling attached to Israel, with high rates of personal visits and familial ties.
Concern for Citizens: 71% express a great deal of personal concern for the lives and safety of Israelis. [1, 2, 3]
You have to wonder surely with your attitude why academics repeatedly bother to research the views of non Israel resident views about that country in a way they never would about the wider Muslim population about say Afghanistan!! The difference is obvious but there are some that refuse to acknowledge it so as to be able to throw accusations around!
https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports
antisemitism-and-jewish-life |
I wonder how representative that is, and how many people were asked, esp those living outside London. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:52 - Aug 2 with 550 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:47 - Aug 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
A.I...
British Jews maintain a strong, widespread affinity and emotional attachment to Israel, alongside deep concern for its welfare, according to data from the Institute of Jewish Policy Research (JPR). Key findings show 77% to 78% feel attached to Israel, 88% view it as the ancestral homeland, and 71% feel a great deal of concern for Israelis, even as opinions on Israeli political leadership remain heavily critical. [1, 2, 3]
Core Measures of Affinity
Ancestral Connection: 88% of British Jews regard Israel as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people.
Emotional Attachment: 77% report feeling attached to Israel, with high rates of personal visits and familial ties.
Concern for Citizens: 71% express a great deal of personal concern for the lives and safety of Israelis. [1, 2, 3]
You have to wonder surely with your attitude why academics repeatedly bother to research the views of non Israel resident views about that country in a way they never would about the wider Muslim population about say Afghanistan!! The difference is obvious but there are some that refuse to acknowledge it so as to be able to throw accusations around!
https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports
antisemitism-and-jewish-life |
FFS, Ed Sheeran calls himself culturally Irish.
There is a whole Irish diaspora and third generation Irish Americans that talk about the old country.
Did anybody ask Ed about his views on the bomb that was stopped at the border the other week, and ask him to distance himself from Irish dissidents? | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:08 - Aug 2 with 529 views | eireblue |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:24 - Aug 2 by eirannach_gorm |
Just for clarity I oppose bigotry and racism. That is not the point I am making here. I also oppose antisemitism but am linking attacks of every nature on Jews around the world with the behaviour of a manufactured Jewish country. The way I see it there should be no tolerance for bigotry, racism, antisemitism or Israels treatment of Palastinian. You seem to have a different view. |
The majority of counties are manufactured. Even Islands such as Great Britain have been segmented into 3 nation states, mostly by fighting.
Nobody in Venzelua is taking sides in a fight between and Englishman, Scottish man or Welshman walking into a bar in Caracas based on the details of a manufactured border.
Again, if you want to talk to someone who supports the actions of the current Israeli Government, about their support, find someone who does, and talk to them. | | | |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:20 - Aug 2 with 504 views | Ryorry |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 14:24 - Aug 2 by eirannach_gorm |
Just for clarity I oppose bigotry and racism. That is not the point I am making here. I also oppose antisemitism but am linking attacks of every nature on Jews around the world with the behaviour of a manufactured Jewish country. The way I see it there should be no tolerance for bigotry, racism, antisemitism or Israels treatment of Palastinian. You seem to have a different view. |
For goodness sake, Jewish people around the world living anywhere other than Israel (have you ever stopped to wonder why they make that choice when they could go to live there if they wanted?) are by definition nothing whatsoever to do with the politics of that "manufactured country", unless they happen to be a politician who was in power in the 1940s - as Eireblue has tried to explain far more eloquently than me. | |
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| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 18:48 - Aug 2 with 461 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Israeli West Bank settlers ultra extreme views on 17:52 - Aug 2 by eireblue |
FFS, Ed Sheeran calls himself culturally Irish.
There is a whole Irish diaspora and third generation Irish Americans that talk about the old country.
Did anybody ask Ed about his views on the bomb that was stopped at the border the other week, and ask him to distance himself from Irish dissidents? |
You are clearly being an genocide enabler with your defence of lack of major Jewish pushback on a Jewish state. You have jumped on the fact that I pointed out that Jews have not in any great numbers vocally opposed this genocide. I didn't make a big issue about it and just pointed it out as an explanation for the rising anti Jewish actions around the world. This relative silence also enables the racists and the genuine antisemites. There also seems to be lots of excuses for the election of Netanyahu and the Arab haters and there is nothing that can be done but to get Israeli allies to come down heavily on anyone else who challanges Israels military actions against the Palastinians. I can understand why Jews worldwide do not want to put their head above the parapet but those in higher positions who are protected see to be more focused on perceived or real antisemitism. I looks like this is being used as a protective blanket and avoids addressing the Palestinian 'preblem'. I also think that this strategy is counter productive and just perpetuates the horror. I am not seeing any sign of a Good Friday Agreement even being considered by Israel.
Just to point out that while Ed has a huge Irish affinity, he does not have an Irish passport. Maybe it would be better to ask Tommy ten names about the bomb as he does have one. All this is complete nonsense anyway and a deflection on the excusing the Jewish silence on something that themselves experienced and want to protect themselves from ever happening again. | | | |
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