| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision 08:53 - Aug 31 with 3890 views | muccletonjoe |
People from practically every club in disbelief at how such a rule can exist and how it is not deliberate handball. Its not going to change it , but I will have a wager now with anyone who wrote this rule, it will never be applied again . |  | | |  |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 18:24 - Aug 31 with 648 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 11:29 - Aug 31 by southnorfolkblue |
I saw a United fan on X say where else would you expect to see his hands…
Down by his sides 🥴 |
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| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 20:30 - Aug 31 with 561 views | itfc_bucks |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 17:55 - Aug 31 by Radlett_blue |
the whole problem is the endless re-refereeing of games with VAr. If the ref had simply decided it wasn't a handball (wrongly IMO) we'd have been a bit annoyed but accepted it. with VAR - supposed to cut obvious errors out - we are naturally far more frustrated & annoyed. |
Well, that's also part of it, isn't it?
With no VAR, I'm absolutely certain that the ref blows up for the handball, instantly.
The "safety net" of VAR gave the ref the opportunity to allow the move to play out.
Any which way you shake this down, it's a shambles and a farce. |  |
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| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 20:41 - Aug 31 with 542 views | norfsufblue |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 17:11 - Aug 31 by mellowblue |
I think that if the ref has told VAR he has had a clear view of the incident and he thinks it is accidental handball, that is a subjective opinion that VAR would not overturn. They will rely on the judgement call of the ref. I suspect they might have quickly double checked the law amongst themselves as it is a very rare occurence. |
What suprised me was the length of time it took VAR to make that particular ( though wrong) decision. The cynic in me starts imagining people in the VAR headquarters frantically flicking through the law books to find a reason to allow the goal! |  | | |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 20:59 - Aug 31 with 520 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 09:56 - Aug 31 by LegendofthePhoenix |
The rule kinda makes sense if it is accidental handball. The problem is that yesterday, that was never in a million years accidental. Hands up by his face. Accidental is when arms are tucked in hands by the side at waist height. In that instance, its not a bad rule.
There is no way it would ever have been allowed at OT if that was us. They just interpret the rules they want as they want at that place. |
Even without the accidental qualifier I’ve still got issues with it.
From Phil’s Clattenberg report:
“Under the handball law, an accidental handball by an attacking player isn’t automatically an offence in the build-up unless the player himself scores directly (or immediately after the hand/arm touch, depending on the circumstances).”
Or immediately after. - You don’t get much more immediately after than that example. He controlled it with his hands to stop it bouncing too high, let it drop and hit it.
depending on the circumstances - a genuine WTF moment on that one. Here are some rules…, but the ref can do whatever they want? Does being at Old Trafford count as a ‘circumstance’?
The law is a complete dog’s dinner. It’s got to be changed. [Post edited 31 Aug 21:01]
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| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 22:28 - Aug 31 with 463 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 20:59 - Aug 31 by Swansea_Blue |
Even without the accidental qualifier I’ve still got issues with it.
From Phil’s Clattenberg report:
“Under the handball law, an accidental handball by an attacking player isn’t automatically an offence in the build-up unless the player himself scores directly (or immediately after the hand/arm touch, depending on the circumstances).”
Or immediately after. - You don’t get much more immediately after than that example. He controlled it with his hands to stop it bouncing too high, let it drop and hit it.
depending on the circumstances - a genuine WTF moment on that one. Here are some rules…, but the ref can do whatever they want? Does being at Old Trafford count as a ‘circumstance’?
The law is a complete dog’s dinner. It’s got to be changed. [Post edited 31 Aug 21:01]
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There was an incident last season with the same issue. Comes down to the definition of "immediate".
Crucially, the guidance does NOT say that it needs to be the next action, or the same person. | |
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| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 22:44 - Aug 31 with 436 views | Trequartista |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 18:19 - Aug 31 by armchaircritic59 |
We as a club voted for VAR when it was put to the PL clubs at the time. Well, we got we wanted. Makes a mockery of the whole game, should never have seen the light of day. Only Wolves had the sense to say no. |
Although I agree, it has to be said if there was no VAR the goal would have stood. |  |
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| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 00:10 - Sep 1 with 363 views | CrayonKing |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 22:44 - Aug 31 by Trequartista |
Although I agree, it has to be said if there was no VAR the goal would have stood. |
Honestly I don't think it does. If there's no VAR the ref gives handball 95% of the time there. I think he erred on the side of playing-on because VAR will correct it if it was handball - except it didn't. |  | | |
| Social media literally awash with outrage at that decision on 07:22 - Sep 1 with 271 views | PioneerBlue |
In my and everyone else's view (not MU) the Ref got the original decision incorrect. It was a deliberate handball.
Was the arm position genuinely justified by what his body was doing?
Not in my view, it wasnt there for natural leverage. It was there to help push his way through or enforce the ball to go the way he intended.
Was the arm creating an unnecessary extra barrier?
Yes of course because his body was there the hands were not necessary and helping make the barrier to force the player and ball through.
Was there a major deflection immediately beforehand that radically changed the ball’s path on to the hand?
No | |
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