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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover 10:37 - Sep 5 with 18812 viewsAxeldalai_lama

Will be interesting to see how they're compared to environmental groups who did the same and who mainly showed their faces. Were anti terror laws used against them in the end? Weren't there calls by certain sections on the right to run them over?

Let's wait and see.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 15:16 - Sep 9 with 745 viewspositivity

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 14:23 - Sep 9 by balcombeblue

A hugely interesting debate this one! can't do justice in written form (no pun....)


and written form is all ai can do!

(have you done jury service btw? i'm much less cynical about the justice system having done it)
[Post edited 9 Sep 15:17]

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 15:18 - Sep 9 with 739 viewsbalcombeblue

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 15:16 - Sep 9 by positivity

and written form is all ai can do!

(have you done jury service btw? i'm much less cynical about the justice system having done it)
[Post edited 9 Sep 15:17]


I haven't. I sort of want to, sort of don't.

I always worry about getting a high profile drugs trial and ending up in protection!
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 15:20 - Sep 9 with 726 viewsbalcombeblue

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 14:58 - Sep 9 by yesjohn99

Stop talking all this sense Balcombe. It’s blowing the minds of a few on here!


I didn't give up after first joining and hope to keep speaking about how I see things.

I enjoy the debate and points of virtually all of the posters.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 15:56 - Sep 9 with 651 viewsBenters

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 13:50 - Sep 9 by noggin

No he didn't. A quick search is all it took.

No, Jeremy Kyle did not report that the United Nations (UN) stated 1 in 100 asylum cases are genuine.The segment broadcast on Talk (formerly TalkTV) in September 2026 involved Jeremy Kyle discussing a widely reported investigation from The Times.

FFS, I wish I hadn't looked at this rubbish. No surprise that you watch TalkTV benters. I'm guessing you'll say you were genuinely mistaken now?

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That’s not the clip I saw.

Gentlybentley
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:07 - Sep 9 with 615 viewsredrickstuhaart

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 13:56 - Sep 9 by balcombeblue

I'll take that as a 'no'. You are very dismissive of my view, which is odd given what you have written.

Here's my cursory check on google for you: https://journals.sagepub.com/d

Of course you collect data....

Who are you
How old are you
Where have you come from
What brought you here
Medical data
Biometric data

Assess answers against criteria
Check for consistency

Make a decision

Consistency check again
Deal with appeal

Human rights watchers, lawyers, politicians....Many believe the subjectivity leads to a highly arbitrary process.


Each case is considered as a while. Its not a collective data analysis exercise.

You are massively deflecting. Your stated belief that decisions were arbitrary!!!

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:19 - Sep 9 with 586 viewsbalcombeblue

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:07 - Sep 9 by redrickstuhaart

Each case is considered as a while. Its not a collective data analysis exercise.

You are massively deflecting. Your stated belief that decisions were arbitrary!!!


I will restate it again. I imagine there is a significant amount of arbitrary decision making going on.

No deflection needed. I am not sure I could have been any clearer.

Some more 'evidence' - The UNHCR thinks that the Home Office only meets it's internal standards in 52% of asylum claims.

Caseworkers are under huge pressure with the backlog, leading to mistakes.

66% of appeals are overturned by judges.

I could go on.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:47 - Sep 9 with 488 viewsnoggin

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 15:56 - Sep 9 by Benters

That’s not the clip I saw.


No, I'm sure it's not. Can you find a link to what you 'DID' see?

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:49 - Sep 9 with 469 viewstcblue

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:47 - Sep 9 by noggin

No, I'm sure it's not. Can you find a link to what you 'DID' see?


It goes to a different school, okay?
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:50 - Sep 9 with 465 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:47 - Sep 9 by noggin

No, I'm sure it's not. Can you find a link to what you 'DID' see?


As he said earlier, what he says is true is true because he says it is.
You can't argue with that logic!

Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:04 - Sep 9 with 434 viewsMattinLondon

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:47 - Sep 9 by noggin

No, I'm sure it's not. Can you find a link to what you 'DID' see?


I’d expect journalists in a relatively high position such as Poppy Coburn to relay on facts or to present a reasoned argument but all she seemingly does is echo meaningless soundbites. Probably designed to get people angry.

I never heard of her prior to watching that clip and so I googled her - I wish I hadn’t. She comes across as rather unpleasant.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:05 - Sep 9 with 434 viewspositivity

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:50 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile

As he said earlier, what he says is true is true because he says it is.
You can't argue with that logic!


copying his hero trump's modus operandi:-
lie,
lie about the lie,
double down on the lie,
make a bigger lie in the hope that it'll distract you from the first lie,
repeat ad nauseum

so tedious, i've met toddlers with more acumen!

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:07 - Sep 9 with 416 viewsnoggin

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:50 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile

As he said earlier, what he says is true is true because he says it is.
You can't argue with that logic!


He doesn't care much for truth. That's his right, but when he deliberately spreads untruths on here, it needs to be called out. Heart surgery or not, he's a disgrace to this forum.

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:08 - Sep 9 with 412 viewsMattinLondon

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:05 - Sep 9 by positivity

copying his hero trump's modus operandi:-
lie,
lie about the lie,
double down on the lie,
make a bigger lie in the hope that it'll distract you from the first lie,
repeat ad nauseum

so tedious, i've met toddlers with more acumen!


In defence of toddlers - they tend to be brutally honest and not lie at all.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:10 - Sep 9 with 402 viewsThe_Flashing_Smile

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:05 - Sep 9 by positivity

copying his hero trump's modus operandi:-
lie,
lie about the lie,
double down on the lie,
make a bigger lie in the hope that it'll distract you from the first lie,
repeat ad nauseum

so tedious, i've met toddlers with more acumen!


In Benters' defence, at least he doesn't know what he's doing.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:11 - Sep 9 with 401 viewsredrickstuhaart

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:19 - Sep 9 by balcombeblue

I will restate it again. I imagine there is a significant amount of arbitrary decision making going on.

No deflection needed. I am not sure I could have been any clearer.

Some more 'evidence' - The UNHCR thinks that the Home Office only meets it's internal standards in 52% of asylum claims.

Caseworkers are under huge pressure with the backlog, leading to mistakes.

66% of appeals are overturned by judges.

I could go on.


No there isn't. Look up the word arbitrary.

Then look at the clear rules and guidelines- which are extensive.

No one suggests perfection, or that there is not an element of judgment involved. But arbitrary is blatant trumpish / farageish misinformation which you should correct.

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:11 - Sep 9 with 398 viewsnoggin

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:10 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile

In Benters' defence, at least he doesn't know what he's doing.


He knows exactly what he's doing.

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:12 - Sep 9 with 396 viewsFoghornGleghorn

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 10:06 - Sep 9 by balcombeblue

UK life expectancy is actually in decline and will continue to some extent


I think you know what I'm getting at. We have an aging population because of life expectancy generally increasing along any extended timeline you care to look at, and it's widely recognised that our country can't sufficiently support their welfare and healthcare without immigration.

Funny though, because apparently we're too full because of it? Dear me, I do wish someone who understands Reform's policies and can string a sentence together could square the circle for us.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:18 - Sep 9 with 371 viewsredrickstuhaart

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:12 - Sep 9 by FoghornGleghorn

I think you know what I'm getting at. We have an aging population because of life expectancy generally increasing along any extended timeline you care to look at, and it's widely recognised that our country can't sufficiently support their welfare and healthcare without immigration.

Funny though, because apparently we're too full because of it? Dear me, I do wish someone who understands Reform's policies and can string a sentence together could square the circle for us.


Personally, I do think that continually relying on immigration to feed the ponzi pyramid is not a long term solution. We have to recognise things have changed and we need to pay more to make it work.

Regardless of your views on immigration, the very fact that it drives this sort of division and conflict is enough to show us it can be problematic in large volumes.

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:22 - Sep 9 with 270 viewsMattinLondon

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:11 - Sep 9 by noggin

He knows exactly what he's doing.


Yep…but it’s not him it’s the fact that others simply take this place too seriously….of something like that.
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:22 - Sep 9 with 268 viewsSwailsey

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 17:49 - Sep 9 by tcblue

It goes to a different school, okay?


It’s in Canada!

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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:34 - Sep 9 with 247 viewsbalcombeblue

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:12 - Sep 9 by FoghornGleghorn

I think you know what I'm getting at. We have an aging population because of life expectancy generally increasing along any extended timeline you care to look at, and it's widely recognised that our country can't sufficiently support their welfare and healthcare without immigration.

Funny though, because apparently we're too full because of it? Dear me, I do wish someone who understands Reform's policies and can string a sentence together could square the circle for us.


I do indeed.

It’s an inevitable population mushroom. I’m afraid we’ve given state pensions to too many people far too early. The French are in an even worse position than we are. An undivided state pension scheme is even worse than an unfunded healthcare system. But instead we spend political capital on small boats or banning some Israeli companies. We got the politics and the politicians from hell
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 19:41 - Sep 9 with 221 viewsBlueBoots

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 16:19 - Sep 9 by balcombeblue

I will restate it again. I imagine there is a significant amount of arbitrary decision making going on.

No deflection needed. I am not sure I could have been any clearer.

Some more 'evidence' - The UNHCR thinks that the Home Office only meets it's internal standards in 52% of asylum claims.

Caseworkers are under huge pressure with the backlog, leading to mistakes.

66% of appeals are overturned by judges.

I could go on.


"Some more 'evidence' - The UNHCR thinks that the Home Office only meets it's internal standards in 52% of asylum claims."

Just for clarity, the UNHCR audit was published in March of this year. The Home Office and UNHCR agreed that UNHCR would conduct an audit of asylum interviews in September 2024, which included a total of 30 asylum interviews randomly selected for observation, plus an additional 30 case files (interview transcript and decision) were selected for detailed review (all carried out between November 2024 and January 2025)

Full report here:

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/media
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These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 22:29 - Sep 9 with 102 viewsvapour_trail

These balaclava wearing chaps in Dover on 18:10 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile

In Benters' defence, at least he doesn't know what he's doing.


Yes he does. He’s been doing it for decades.

He will continue to do so.

Trailing vapour since 1999.
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