| Leif, O’Shea, Walton 15:07 - Nov 8 with 2014 views | Waig |
It’s sad but reality is their ceiling is Championship, we’ve got to replace them I’m afraid. |  | | |  |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:07 - Nov 8 | redrickstuhaart |
You are correct on O shea.
Just wont take responsibility. Hovers in the middle two games running, when there was a threat to deal with. [Post edited 8 Nov 15:08]
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:11 - Nov 8 | quad |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:07 - Nov 8 by redrickstuhaart |
You are correct on O shea.
Just wont take responsibility. Hovers in the middle two games running, when there was a threat to deal with. [Post edited 8 Nov 15:08]
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He's not. He's correct on all 3. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:13 - Nov 8 | GavTWTD |
Disagree about Leif. He had a great start to the season and instrumental in our wins but a little off form. I dont think he could have done anything for their 2nd and there was a striker behind him anyway. |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:20 - Nov 8 | quad |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:13 - Nov 8 by GavTWTD |
Disagree about Leif. He had a great start to the season and instrumental in our wins but a little off form. I dont think he could have done anything for their 2nd and there was a striker behind him anyway. |
He was on the half way line when Hull broke away and equalised last week. We were winning 1-0 and in control. Lack of discipline and professionalism. People can say what they want. But I haven't forgiven him for it. And Walton's mistake today was unforgivable too. In fact they're not mistakes, just ridiculous. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:22 - Nov 8 | redrickstuhaart |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:20 - Nov 8 by quad |
He was on the half way line when Hull broke away and equalised last week. We were winning 1-0 and in control. Lack of discipline and professionalism. People can say what they want. But I haven't forgiven him for it. And Walton's mistake today was unforgivable too. In fact they're not mistakes, just ridiculous. |
Silly. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:25 - Nov 8 | GavTWTD |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:20 - Nov 8 by quad |
He was on the half way line when Hull broke away and equalised last week. We were winning 1-0 and in control. Lack of discipline and professionalism. People can say what they want. But I haven't forgiven him for it. And Walton's mistake today was unforgivable too. In fact they're not mistakes, just ridiculous. |
That's how he's asked to play. He's still able at times to get back but his positioning is down to GON. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:26 - Nov 8 | quad |
Why? I'm not disputing Leif's ability, but he was very reckless to get caught so far out of position. He's a defender first and foremost. And his defending recently has been poor. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:27 - Nov 8 | quad |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:25 - Nov 8 by GavTWTD |
That's how he's asked to play. He's still able at times to get back but his positioning is down to GON. |
OK, but then GON needs to tell him to only do it if we're chasing a game. | | | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:31 - Nov 8 | Blue_Uprising |
I think a debate can be had whether a Leif - in the way he is expected to play his position - is a luxury for a team seeking to avoid relegation. Particularly if it’s Jaden + Davis where we don’t really use the attacking part of his play effectively. |  | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 16:08 - Nov 8 | ThatMuhrenCross |
Agree on all three, but only one of them was ever signed to be a Premier League player. The fact is, we need to be ruthless and upgrade on all three in January.
I do feel for Walton in particular. He's been such a wonderful servant to the club and I'm so grateful for everything he's given us, but he's probably the most out of his depth of the whole lot. |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 16:19 - Nov 8 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:13 - Nov 8 by GavTWTD |
Disagree about Leif. He had a great start to the season and instrumental in our wins but a little off form. I dont think he could have done anything for their 2nd and there was a striker behind him anyway. |
Your a blue tinted guy if you think Leif is a good defender,
When I played left back I could have done a better job with one foot tied behind me,
Positioning play awful
Awareness awful
Tackling awful,
That's his defending,
Good attributes going forward,
Push him up and get a proper defending left back, |  | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 16:27 - Nov 8 | FrimleyBlue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 16:19 - Nov 8 by billlm |
Your a blue tinted guy if you think Leif is a good defender,
When I played left back I could have done a better job with one foot tied behind me,
Positioning play awful
Awareness awful
Tackling awful,
That's his defending,
Good attributes going forward,
Push him up and get a proper defending left back, |
Our issue is our fullback options are better as wingbacks imo |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 17:37 - Nov 8 | Blue_Heath |
Agree although think Leif could potentially improve. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:34 - Nov 8 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 17:37 - Nov 8 by Blue_Heath |
Agree although think Leif could potentially improve. |
As a forward option, as a defender not, | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:38 - Nov 8 | redrickstuhaart |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:34 - Nov 8 by billlm |
As a forward option, as a defender not, |
Just nonsense. This ridiculous narrative that he is a bad defender is born of people who don't understand football. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:39 - Nov 8 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 16:08 - Nov 8 by ThatMuhrenCross |
Agree on all three, but only one of them was ever signed to be a Premier League player. The fact is, we need to be ruthless and upgrade on all three in January.
I do feel for Walton in particular. He's been such a wonderful servant to the club and I'm so grateful for everything he's given us, but he's probably the most out of his depth of the whole lot. |
The promotion season had it been walton and not hladky I'm not so sure,
Hladky a real goalkeeping footballer, waltons a duck on ice most of the time and today was his day to get caught out, | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:40 - Nov 8 | portmanking |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:38 - Nov 8 by redrickstuhaart |
Just nonsense. This ridiculous narrative that he is a bad defender is born of people who don't understand football. |
It isn't a ridiculous narrative TBF. He's a very average defender, at best. Sure, he's worked on that side of his game, but positionally speaking I don't think he's got it in him to improve much more. I still lay much of the blame for Hull's first goal at his door. 1-0 up and in complete control and he's far too gung ho. | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:41 - Nov 8 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:38 - Nov 8 by redrickstuhaart |
Just nonsense. This ridiculous narrative that he is a bad defender is born of people who don't understand football. |
I clearly don't understand it but I played a lot of it, you read what I stated above and I stand by it,
Forward no complaints,
As a defender can't read a game | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:41 - Nov 8 | billlm |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:40 - Nov 8 by portmanking |
It isn't a ridiculous narrative TBF. He's a very average defender, at best. Sure, he's worked on that side of his game, but positionally speaking I don't think he's got it in him to improve much more. I still lay much of the blame for Hull's first goal at his door. 1-0 up and in complete control and he's far too gung ho. |
Thank you | | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:59 - Nov 8 | FrimleyBlue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 19:40 - Nov 8 by portmanking |
It isn't a ridiculous narrative TBF. He's a very average defender, at best. Sure, he's worked on that side of his game, but positionally speaking I don't think he's got it in him to improve much more. I still lay much of the blame for Hull's first goal at his door. 1-0 up and in complete control and he's far too gung ho. |
Average defender who this season is actually showing better stats than Van Dijk apart from pass completion.
Also. Out of all prem defenders
Top 10% for aerial duels won.
Top 9% for clearances
Top 11% for blocks. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:02 - Nov 8 | Swansea_Blue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:20 - Nov 8 by quad |
He was on the half way line when Hull broke away and equalised last week. We were winning 1-0 and in control. Lack of discipline and professionalism. People can say what they want. But I haven't forgiven him for it. And Walton's mistake today was unforgivable too. In fact they're not mistakes, just ridiculous. |
It’s what his role is. You should have worked that out by now. The issue is when he does go forward we need to still cover the space in behind him and we’re not consistently doing that.
The more this goes on I wonder if those saying we need to go 3-5-2 have a point, but it blunts us offensively and that’s where we’ll salvage enough points to stay up. |  |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:06 - Nov 8 | pointofblue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 16:27 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
Our issue is our fullback options are better as wingbacks imo |
This. Another reason we should revert to a back three IMO. | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:14 - Nov 8 | FrimleyBlue |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:06 - Nov 8 by pointofblue |
This. Another reason we should revert to a back three IMO. |
It seems the most logical choice. Gets the best of the squad and defensively better | |
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| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:14 - Nov 8 | armchaircritic59 |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 15:13 - Nov 8 by GavTWTD |
Disagree about Leif. He had a great start to the season and instrumental in our wins but a little off form. I dont think he could have done anything for their 2nd and there was a striker behind him anyway. |
Take away LD's marauding runs up field which have dropped off noticeably ( not necessarily his fault ), and you're left with half a player, and the worst half at that, and in of all places the PL. Not a good place to be in. Would agree with the other two. |  | | |
| Leif, O’Shea, Walton on 20:18 - Nov 8 | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Probably BUT are we getting the best out of them, I’m not sure.
The style of play at times is suicidal, we’ve dropped over £200m, we’ve been backed to the extent of the most for a promoted side ever. I don’t think we look well coached, the defending is absolutely chaotic, and disorganised. | | | |
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