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The Russians now claiming.... 11:48 - Apr 13 with 33168 viewsitfcjoe

.....that they have irrefutable evidence that the chemical attack in Syria was faked.

Presumably Jeremy Corbyn will believe this

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The Russians now claiming.... on 11:50 - Apr 13 with 10586 viewsGlasgowBlue

Didn't they say the same thing about the Salisbury attack?

Putin is turning into the Political version of Mario Balotelli.


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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:02 - Apr 13 with 10525 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Don't suppose he will...... let's see if they back it up with any evidence.
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Don't for one second believe that our state concern is based on humanitarianism!

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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:05 - Apr 13 with 10517 viewsSteve_M

It would appear that they started claiming as much before it happened:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-trolls-denied-syrian-gas-attackbefore-it-h

(Re-post of article as it's probably lost in the other thread).

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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:13 - Apr 13 with 10462 viewsSteve_M

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:05 - Apr 13 by Steve_M

It would appear that they started claiming as much before it happened:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-trolls-denied-syrian-gas-attackbefore-it-h

(Re-post of article as it's probably lost in the other thread).


And also this:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/04/12/disinformation-conspiracy-trolling-syrian

Bit of a risk making this a second post, I'll get inevitable downvotes on both but the fruits of this enterprise are being regurgitated on this board.

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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:15 - Apr 13 with 10453 viewsNo9

The ex UK ambassador to Syria seems to think this is not as straightforward as a lot would like to beleive.

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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:30 - Apr 13 with 10398 viewsEireannach_gorm

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:13 - Apr 13 by Steve_M

And also this:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/04/12/disinformation-conspiracy-trolling-syrian

Bit of a risk making this a second post, I'll get inevitable downvotes on both but the fruits of this enterprise are being regurgitated on this board.


Video footage link in this article is dreadful. These people had a horrific death (allegedly!).
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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:39 - Apr 13 with 10343 viewsNthsuffolkblue

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:15 - Apr 13 by No9

The ex UK ambassador to Syria seems to think this is not as straightforward as a lot would like to beleive.



He seems to be talking about the response rather than whether the evidence for the attack is there.

Yes, he is right the response needs to be carefully thought out but I think it is a stretch to believe the attack did not take place. The fact the Kremlin is clearly spreading this disinformation shows their complicity.

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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:41 - Apr 13 with 10332 viewsTractorWood

Makes their vote against an independent investigation at the UN a few days ago seem like a strange decision.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:46 - Apr 13 with 10300 viewsGlasgowBlue

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:41 - Apr 13 by TractorWood

Makes their vote against an independent investigation at the UN a few days ago seem like a strange decision.


They have vetoed an investigation into chemical attacks in Syria six times in the past five years.

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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:46 - Apr 13 with 10304 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:39 - Apr 13 by Nthsuffolkblue

He seems to be talking about the response rather than whether the evidence for the attack is there.

Yes, he is right the response needs to be carefully thought out but I think it is a stretch to believe the attack did not take place. The fact the Kremlin is clearly spreading this disinformation shows their complicity.


He doesn't say the attack took place but that if it did it was Isis
He has said similar thing before including accusing the UK media of 'spinning' the news from the area.

The whole thing is a mess & the efforts to get the Un to belly up to the bar should have happened a long while ago.
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The Russians now claiming.... on 12:58 - Apr 13 with 10273 viewsNthsuffolkblue

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:46 - Apr 13 by No9

He doesn't say the attack took place but that if it did it was Isis
He has said similar thing before including accusing the UK media of 'spinning' the news from the area.

The whole thing is a mess & the efforts to get the Un to belly up to the bar should have happened a long while ago.


The problem with the UN is the vetoes.

Is it possible they get the chemical weapons without Russian support? Surely, if Russia was innocent they would be deflecting blame for the attacks rather than trying to deny their existence?

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The Russians now claiming.... on 13:01 - Apr 13 with 10258 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:58 - Apr 13 by Nthsuffolkblue

The problem with the UN is the vetoes.

Is it possible they get the chemical weapons without Russian support? Surely, if Russia was innocent they would be deflecting blame for the attacks rather than trying to deny their existence?


Your point on vetoes is a good one but all have used them including the UK
The UN is not fully functional but that isn't down to just one nation althought the Americans are dominant in most issues
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The Russians now claiming.... on 13:13 - Apr 13 with 10208 viewsVic

The Russians now claiming.... on 12:39 - Apr 13 by Nthsuffolkblue

He seems to be talking about the response rather than whether the evidence for the attack is there.

Yes, he is right the response needs to be carefully thought out but I think it is a stretch to believe the attack did not take place. The fact the Kremlin is clearly spreading this disinformation shows their complicity.


Hmm, I'm not sure. From half way through he casts very great doubt on the assertion that Assad is responsible for this 'attack'. Indeed, he goes as far as to say that he does NOT think it was him who was responsible for it and towards the end of the interview forcefully, and somewhat condescendingly, asserts that that it would make no sense for Assad to be responsible for it.

A somewhat thought provoking interview. Its almost as if he's speaking on Russia and Syria's behalf!

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The Russians now claiming.... (n/t) on 13:45 - Apr 13 with 10134 viewsBluesquid

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The Russians now claiming.... on 13:45 - Apr 13 with 10133 viewsNthsuffolkblue

The Russians now claiming.... on 13:13 - Apr 13 by Vic

Hmm, I'm not sure. From half way through he casts very great doubt on the assertion that Assad is responsible for this 'attack'. Indeed, he goes as far as to say that he does NOT think it was him who was responsible for it and towards the end of the interview forcefully, and somewhat condescendingly, asserts that that it would make no sense for Assad to be responsible for it.

A somewhat thought provoking interview. Its almost as if he's speaking on Russia and Syria's behalf!


I must admit I didn't listen to the end!

ISIS would not make great sense (although that isn't conclusive proof it wasn't them). See the arguments GB has used on other threads.

The fact that Russia is taking the track of denial that it happened rather than shifting blame seems incriminating.

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The Russians now claiming.... on 14:15 - Apr 13 with 10078 viewsTrequartista

Sounds like something The Sun would say. Do you not remember the rush to war over WMD?

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The Russians now claiming.... on 14:15 - Apr 13 with 10077 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 13:45 - Apr 13 by Nthsuffolkblue

I must admit I didn't listen to the end!

ISIS would not make great sense (although that isn't conclusive proof it wasn't them). See the arguments GB has used on other threads.

The fact that Russia is taking the track of denial that it happened rather than shifting blame seems incriminating.


American news

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/russia-says-it-has-proof-syr
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The Russians now claiming.... on 15:02 - Apr 13 with 10007 viewsGlasgowBlue

The Russians now claiming.... on 14:15 - Apr 13 by No9

American news

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/russia-says-it-has-proof-syr


and........?

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The Russians now claiming.... on 15:12 - Apr 13 with 9983 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 15:02 - Apr 13 by GlasgowBlue

and........?


Maybe you don't listen to Americans until Guido tells you to?
But, last night at least oen person in the WH was taking this claim seriously

Hopefully they will get the twitterer to put his phone down
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The Russians now claiming.... on 16:02 - Apr 13 with 9912 viewsGlasgowBlue

Now claiming that it was staged and directed by Britain



BlueSquid, Fred and HurleyBurley nod in agreement.

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The Russians now claiming.... on 16:53 - Apr 13 with 9851 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 16:02 - Apr 13 by GlasgowBlue

Now claiming that it was staged and directed by Britain



BlueSquid, Fred and HurleyBurley nod in agreement.


Took Sky a long while to get around to reporting this didn't it?
I referred to it being acted on by the WH last night
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The Russians now claiming.... on 17:02 - Apr 13 with 9825 viewsGlasgowBlue

The Russians now claiming.... on 16:53 - Apr 13 by No9

Took Sky a long while to get around to reporting this didn't it?
I referred to it being acted on by the WH last night


Nope. You referred to it being reported as a fabrication. They have now said it was Britain wot dun it.

Do you agree with them?

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The Russians now claiming.... on 17:04 - Apr 13 with 9827 viewsBloomBlue

So they will have no issues with letting in the independent team the U.N. wanted to send in and let them make the decision on who did it without the right for a country to veto the final decision.
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The Russians now claiming.... on 17:06 - Apr 13 with 9816 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 17:02 - Apr 13 by GlasgowBlue

Nope. You referred to it being reported as a fabrication. They have now said it was Britain wot dun it.

Do you agree with them?


I referred to how someone in the WH had reacted sying they don't know who did it.

Unlike you I have no inside info from Guido & his Russian mates
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The Russians now claiming.... on 17:08 - Apr 13 with 9811 viewsNo9

The Russians now claiming.... on 17:04 - Apr 13 by BloomBlue

So they will have no issues with letting in the independent team the U.N. wanted to send in and let them make the decision on who did it without the right for a country to veto the final decision.


The Russians asked for international inspectors to go in several days ago.
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