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No confidence motion seems a given now 12:40 - Jan 15 with 8310 viewsStokieBlue

It would seem a no confidence motion is almost certain given what has just come out of the cabinet.

May has told them she will push ahead with her deal regardless of the scale of the defeat and will refuse to rule out a no deal. Labour will have no choice but to call the no confidence vote or they will be seen as complicit (although in many eyes they already are). Hard to see what it solves though, Labour can’t win it.

Predictions all over the place at the moment but looks like she will lose by something between 100 and 230 votes.



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No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:44 - Jan 15 with 3833 views26_Paz

I don't think the defeat will be quite as resounding as many are expecting. She'll lose but I think by somewhere between 50 and 100 is my guess.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:45 - Jan 15 with 3826 viewswkj

If she loses in those margins, surely she would have to resign to save face?

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:46 - Jan 15 with 3824 viewsfooters

What is the point of not ruling out no deal? Is it to keep the swivel-eyed happy? You would have hoped the Tories had learned their lesson about caving into the fruitcake stall by now. There's absolutely no parliamentary appetite for it (thank god) and I'm not so sure the EU will be threatened by our cutting off our noses to spite our face.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:53 - Jan 15 with 3775 viewsSteve_M

No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:45 - Jan 15 by wkj

If she loses in those margins, surely she would have to resign to save face?


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No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:58 - Jan 15 with 3738 viewsTractorWood

It's an utterly impossible situation. You have scores of MPs voting no who want outcomes that range from modest amends on the backstop to Thatcherites who seek a no deal to those wishing to revoke article 50. A defeat is the only possible outcome.

It's like getting a group of lads to all collectively promise on their exact plan for a stag do in advance. Always doomed to fail.
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I know that was then, but it could be again..
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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:00 - Jan 15 with 3718 viewsjjblue84

Still trying to work out why she got out of bed this morning...
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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:01 - Jan 15 with 3701 viewsRamRob

No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:58 - Jan 15 by TractorWood

It's an utterly impossible situation. You have scores of MPs voting no who want outcomes that range from modest amends on the backstop to Thatcherites who seek a no deal to those wishing to revoke article 50. A defeat is the only possible outcome.

It's like getting a group of lads to all collectively promise on their exact plan for a stag do in advance. Always doomed to fail.
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Surely any amendments would have to be agreed by the EU to work?

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:02 - Jan 15 with 3696 viewsBOjK

No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:45 - Jan 15 by wkj

If she loses in those margins, surely she would have to resign to save face?


Not any more. People have just given up on these constitutional conventions.

The Tories have lost votes on military action and the budget, and just ploughed ahead when in the past at least the PM would have gone. Corbyn has faced the mutiny of ~80% of his MPs and just gone "meh".

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:03 - Jan 15 with 3686 viewswkj

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:00 - Jan 15 by jjblue84

Still trying to work out why she got out of bed this morning...


Coz I had to kick her out of it apparently

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:09 - Jan 15 with 3654 viewsStokieBlue

No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:58 - Jan 15 by TractorWood

It's an utterly impossible situation. You have scores of MPs voting no who want outcomes that range from modest amends on the backstop to Thatcherites who seek a no deal to those wishing to revoke article 50. A defeat is the only possible outcome.

It's like getting a group of lads to all collectively promise on their exact plan for a stag do in advance. Always doomed to fail.
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Indeed, hence my chess-based representation of the situation.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:10 - Jan 15 with 3645 viewsjjblue84

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:03 - Jan 15 by wkj

Coz I had to kick her out of it apparently


Thanks for confirming who the comedy creation is!!
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^^^ THIS GUY ^^^ (n/t) on 13:11 - Jan 15 with 3639 viewswkj

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:10 - Jan 15 by jjblue84

Thanks for confirming who the comedy creation is!!


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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:12 - Jan 15 with 3630 viewsfooters

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:10 - Jan 15 by jjblue84

Thanks for confirming who the comedy creation is!!


Yours isn't a comedy creation, more a depressing one.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:12 - Jan 15 with 3625 viewsSteve_M

No confidence motion seems a given now on 12:53 - Jan 15 by Steve_M

"Nothing has changed, nothing has changed".


Yep, looks like it:


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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:13 - Jan 15 with 3616 viewsjjblue84

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:12 - Jan 15 by footers

Yours isn't a comedy creation, more a depressing one.


Sorry that the truth depresses you!!
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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:15 - Jan 15 with 3605 viewsBlueBadger

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:12 - Jan 15 by Steve_M

Yep, looks like it:



Legally, can she even do that?

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:16 - Jan 15 with 3601 viewswkj

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:12 - Jan 15 by Steve_M

Yep, looks like it:



She is ACTUALLY starting to come across like that portrayal of her in that "Golem" sketch now, yikes

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:26 - Jan 15 with 3568 viewsStokieBlue

The ridiculous farce continues, this time it’s JC with his pointless amendment:

- Amendment A (Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's amendment) which rejects the deal because it fails to provide a permanent customs union and "strong single market deal", as set out in Labour's "six tests", rejects leaving with no deal and resolves to "pursue every option" that prevents either no deal or leaving on the basis of the current deal.

So whilst he is right on no deal he still thinks he can get a deal which involves being a member of the customs union and the single market but without freedom of movement. It’s borderline delusional.

It’s a worry when the leaders of both parties seem to live on another planet.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:27 - Jan 15 with 3549 viewswkj

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:26 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue

The ridiculous farce continues, this time it’s JC with his pointless amendment:

- Amendment A (Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's amendment) which rejects the deal because it fails to provide a permanent customs union and "strong single market deal", as set out in Labour's "six tests", rejects leaving with no deal and resolves to "pursue every option" that prevents either no deal or leaving on the basis of the current deal.

So whilst he is right on no deal he still thinks he can get a deal which involves being a member of the customs union and the single market but without freedom of movement. It’s borderline delusional.

It’s a worry when the leaders of both parties seem to live on another planet.

SB


It’s a worry when the leaders of both parties seem to live on another planet.

This is without a doubt how I feel about things, I honest do not feel we could have had worse leadership for this whole mess.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:28 - Jan 15 with 3543 viewsBlueBadger

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:26 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue

The ridiculous farce continues, this time it’s JC with his pointless amendment:

- Amendment A (Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's amendment) which rejects the deal because it fails to provide a permanent customs union and "strong single market deal", as set out in Labour's "six tests", rejects leaving with no deal and resolves to "pursue every option" that prevents either no deal or leaving on the basis of the current deal.

So whilst he is right on no deal he still thinks he can get a deal which involves being a member of the customs union and the single market but without freedom of movement. It’s borderline delusional.

It’s a worry when the leaders of both parties seem to live on another planet.

SB


You've done it now Stokers, they'll ALL be on here to tell you how this makes the Dear Leader much, much betterer.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:29 - Jan 15 with 3540 viewsfooters

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:26 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue

The ridiculous farce continues, this time it’s JC with his pointless amendment:

- Amendment A (Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's amendment) which rejects the deal because it fails to provide a permanent customs union and "strong single market deal", as set out in Labour's "six tests", rejects leaving with no deal and resolves to "pursue every option" that prevents either no deal or leaving on the basis of the current deal.

So whilst he is right on no deal he still thinks he can get a deal which involves being a member of the customs union and the single market but without freedom of movement. It’s borderline delusional.

It’s a worry when the leaders of both parties seem to live on another planet.

SB


Although we'd have to return to freedom of movement we could still legislate to ensure EU citizens have to reach specific employment and financial criteria to remain. Which we should have done anyway. That deal would at least leave us roughly where we were before, though would obviously upset a great many people.

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:34 - Jan 15 with 3516 viewsHerbivore

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:26 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue

The ridiculous farce continues, this time it’s JC with his pointless amendment:

- Amendment A (Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's amendment) which rejects the deal because it fails to provide a permanent customs union and "strong single market deal", as set out in Labour's "six tests", rejects leaving with no deal and resolves to "pursue every option" that prevents either no deal or leaving on the basis of the current deal.

So whilst he is right on no deal he still thinks he can get a deal which involves being a member of the customs union and the single market but without freedom of movement. It’s borderline delusional.

It’s a worry when the leaders of both parties seem to live on another planet.

SB


Has he said he'd end freedom of movement?

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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:37 - Jan 15 with 3498 viewsStokieBlue

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:34 - Jan 15 by Herbivore

Has he said he'd end freedom of movement?


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No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:38 - Jan 15 with 3478 viewsHerbivore

No confidence motion seems a given now on 13:37 - Jan 15 by StokieBlue

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-is-labour-policy-on-brexit

SB


Thanks. What a plum.

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SB


Honestly, all this time the people of GB have been knocking lumps out of one another it comes down to this, politicians who have collectively failed.

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