| Wage Cap 12:05 - Jun 19 with 1719 views | danbaker007 |
I think that the new wage cap shouldn't be a fixed sum, but possibly a percentage of revenue, because clubs like Accrington with under 3000 average attendance with the same wages as us is unfair and just increases the gap between the Premier League and the EFL. |  | | |  |
| Wage Cap on 12:08 - Jun 19 with 1702 views | Libero |
You've heard of FFP, right? |  | | |
| Wage Cap on 14:06 - Jun 19 with 1632 views | BlueBadger |
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| Wage Cap on 15:10 - Jun 19 with 1597 views | SuperCoops |
So because you're a small club you get penalised?
So in the Prem, clubs like Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal with the bigger stadiums could massively outdo a Bournemouth or club with smaller crowds? |  | | |
| Wage Cap on 12:21 - Jun 20 with 1516 views | bluebare |
| Wage Cap on 15:10 - Jun 19 by SuperCoops |
So because you're a small club you get penalised?
So in the Prem, clubs like Man Utd, Spurs, Arsenal with the bigger stadiums could massively outdo a Bournemouth or club with smaller crowds? |
So you should be penalised for being successful? Clubs like Bournemouth have made money from being in the prem so they can improve their ground etc like other clubs have done and increase the revenue of the club so greater spending power | | | |
| Wage Cap on 21:38 - Jun 20 with 1436 views | glasso |
| Wage Cap on 12:21 - Jun 20 by bluebare |
So you should be penalised for being successful? Clubs like Bournemouth have made money from being in the prem so they can improve their ground etc like other clubs have done and increase the revenue of the club so greater spending power |
But if you bring it in at a point when certain clubs are already bigger than others, all you're doing is making sure you keep the big clubs big and the small clubs small.
United, Liverpool, Man City etc will have more to spend, attract the bigger players, get more fans because of those bigger players, win more, get bigger players, attract more fans... is that the football you really want? I mean, we already have that to a degree, but you're arguing for more of that? | | | |
| Wage Cap on 01:26 - Jun 21 with 1404 views | SuperCoops |
| Wage Cap on 12:21 - Jun 20 by bluebare |
So you should be penalised for being successful? Clubs like Bournemouth have made money from being in the prem so they can improve their ground etc like other clubs have done and increase the revenue of the club so greater spending power |
I think you're looking at Bournemouth's example too simplistically. Firstly, they can't redevelop Dean Court (Vitality Stadium or whatever) much further because of the land restrictions around the stadium.
Secondly, Bournemouth could win the Premiership for the next 5 years but would never get the crowds of say Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool etc because of the small area it represents. Yes, it would pick up new fans (capacity permitting), but wouldn't get the draw a city team could attract.
But without levelling the playing field so all can live a bit more equal, it will just continue to be ladies) leagues within leagues and new) 'newer' sides will find it harder and harder to compete. | | | |
| Wage Cap on 10:05 - Jun 21 with 1372 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Wage Cap on 01:26 - Jun 21 by SuperCoops |
I think you're looking at Bournemouth's example too simplistically. Firstly, they can't redevelop Dean Court (Vitality Stadium or whatever) much further because of the land restrictions around the stadium.
Secondly, Bournemouth could win the Premiership for the next 5 years but would never get the crowds of say Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool etc because of the small area it represents. Yes, it would pick up new fans (capacity permitting), but wouldn't get the draw a city team could attract.
But without levelling the playing field so all can live a bit more equal, it will just continue to be ladies) leagues within leagues and new) 'newer' sides will find it harder and harder to compete. |
There will never be a cap in the PL so it's a pointless debate but the purpose of this proposal is about making it more financially sustainable rather than a more even playing field. And what is sustainable for a club like Ipswich is much higher than it is for a club like Accrington. | | | |
| Wage Cap on 10:25 - Jun 21 with 1345 views | Simonds92 |
| Wage Cap on 01:26 - Jun 21 by SuperCoops |
I think you're looking at Bournemouth's example too simplistically. Firstly, they can't redevelop Dean Court (Vitality Stadium or whatever) much further because of the land restrictions around the stadium.
Secondly, Bournemouth could win the Premiership for the next 5 years but would never get the crowds of say Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool etc because of the small area it represents. Yes, it would pick up new fans (capacity permitting), but wouldn't get the draw a city team could attract.
But without levelling the playing field so all can live a bit more equal, it will just continue to be ladies) leagues within leagues and new) 'newer' sides will find it harder and harder to compete. |
Of course the larger teams should have a larger salary cap. The point in all this is to have sustainability so that there's not another Bolton. They were in the prem for years and still were on the verge of going bust.
Your recommendation for a level playing field effectively encourages the US model and we'll end up with no relegation or promotion. | | | |
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| Wage Cap on 21:11 - Jun 21 with 1270 views | blueconscience |
| Wage Cap on 12:08 - Jun 19 by Libero |
You've heard of FFP, right? |
Is that the rule that a lot of clubs just ignored? |  |
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| Wage Cap on 21:14 - Jun 21 with 1266 views | Libero |
| Wage Cap on 21:11 - Jun 21 by blueconscience |
Is that the rule that a lot of clubs just ignored? |
...and we’re punished for? Yeah, that one. | | | |
| Wage Cap on 21:18 - Jun 21 with 1260 views | blueconscience |
| Wage Cap on 21:14 - Jun 21 by Libero |
...and we’re punished for? Yeah, that one. |
I only thought a few were punished, not all. But I take your word for it. | |
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| Wage Cap on 21:44 - Jun 21 with 1243 views | Libero |
| Wage Cap on 21:18 - Jun 21 by blueconscience |
I only thought a few were punished, not all. But I take your word for it. |
QPR and Derby from the top of my head, not sure if there were others but both clubs really took the p1ss financially.
Some will say the punishments don’t do enough to stop that kind of behaviour but what’s the alternative to ensure clubs live within their means? If it’s wage cap for League One only then I don’t want it. Especially as majority of clubs pushing their finances are Championship clubs. | | | |
| Wage Cap on 21:55 - Jun 21 with 1232 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Wage Cap on 21:44 - Jun 21 by Libero |
QPR and Derby from the top of my head, not sure if there were others but both clubs really took the p1ss financially.
Some will say the punishments don’t do enough to stop that kind of behaviour but what’s the alternative to ensure clubs live within their means? If it’s wage cap for League One only then I don’t want it. Especially as majority of clubs pushing their finances are Championship clubs. |
I struggle to see how a system which allows Championship clubs to lose up to £39m over 3 seasons can be looked at with any credibility. The cat seems out of the bag in the Championship and there isn't much if any desire to do anything about it. | | | |
| Wage Cap on 10:19 - Jun 22 with 1149 views | IpswichKnight |
I might be wrong on this but don't Bournemouth have some FFP sanctions heading there way if they get relegated? | | | |
| Wage Cap on 11:33 - Jun 22 with 1115 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Wage Cap on 01:26 - Jun 21 by SuperCoops |
I think you're looking at Bournemouth's example too simplistically. Firstly, they can't redevelop Dean Court (Vitality Stadium or whatever) much further because of the land restrictions around the stadium.
Secondly, Bournemouth could win the Premiership for the next 5 years but would never get the crowds of say Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool etc because of the small area it represents. Yes, it would pick up new fans (capacity permitting), but wouldn't get the draw a city team could attract.
But without levelling the playing field so all can live a bit more equal, it will just continue to be ladies) leagues within leagues and new) 'newer' sides will find it harder and harder to compete. |
I think you may be underestimating the size of Bournemouth. With Poole and Christchurch it is part of a conurbation with a population of more than half a million and there are other small towns close by.
I am not suggesting that the football club will ever match Manchester United, Arsenal etc for size. But if ever they capture, fully, the local market, then there is no reason why they should not prosper among the next group. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 11:35]
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| Wage Cap on 16:40 - Jun 22 with 1035 views | GeoffSentence |
| Wage Cap on 11:33 - Jun 22 by Tangledupin_Blue |
I think you may be underestimating the size of Bournemouth. With Poole and Christchurch it is part of a conurbation with a population of more than half a million and there are other small towns close by.
I am not suggesting that the football club will ever match Manchester United, Arsenal etc for size. But if ever they capture, fully, the local market, then there is no reason why they should not prosper among the next group. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 11:35]
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Yes, I don't think people realise quite how big the Bournemouth urban area is, it is considerably bigger than Derby for instance. |  |
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