| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship 15:49 - Jun 22 with 2323 views | kizaitfc |
Over the past few years the wedge between and Evans and the fans has clearly gone form bad to worse.
Normal circumstances I could have imagined many fans happy to donate their refunds to the club, but I really don't see it happening, with some fearing it will just go into the daily running of the club and it will be of no benefit to the club as a whole.
Personally I am happy to donate my refund with the hope that the club will offer something like the new home shirt as reward for doing so. But I imagine most will opt to take the full refund as they quite rightly feel it is owed to them.
Anyone here got any ideas of what ME will be offering?
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:52 - Jun 22 with 2296 views | BlueBadger |
News from club by BlueBadger 22 Jun 2020 15:41As I said below, they should offer to waive refunds to fund Lamebo's compo pay-off.
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:52 - Jun 22 with 2295 views | BloomBlue |
Surely putting the money into 'the daily running of the club' is a benefit to the club? |  | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:54 - Jun 22 with 2293 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:52 - Jun 22 by BloomBlue |
Surely putting the money into 'the daily running of the club' is a benefit to the club? |
Well the fans have been doing that for years and look where we are???
ME does not use it to benefit the club, he uses it to keep it ticking along | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:54 - Jun 22 with 2289 views | Swansea_Blue |
Paying the price for being a poor custodian of our once proud club too. We're going to have a massive rebuilding job to do when he slings his hook. It'll be the whole club equivalent of having to rebuild the team after one of his many disastrous managerial appointments. |  |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:56 - Jun 22 with 2261 views | BloomBlue |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:54 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
Well the fans have been doing that for years and look where we are???
ME does not use it to benefit the club, he uses it to keep it ticking along |
And him giving you a home shirt will benefit the club how ? | | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:59 - Jun 22 with 2253 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:56 - Jun 22 by BloomBlue |
And him giving you a home shirt will benefit the club how ? |
The fans are due a refund, providing a reward for donation is a middle ground, with the refund likely to be close to the £100 mark most fans will not be willing to simply allow ME to keep it for ntohing.
Providing some goodwill back may be the best way to prevent the majority taking FULL refunds | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:02 - Jun 22 with 2235 views | PhilTWTD |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:52 - Jun 22 by BloomBlue |
Surely putting the money into 'the daily running of the club' is a benefit to the club? |
Particularly when to the greatest extent it's paying players' wages. The more cash that's there to pay wages the better - theoretically at least - the squad will be. |  | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:32 - Jun 22 with 2163 views | Illinoisblue |
“Fear it will go into the daily running of the club” - why would you fear that? Where else do you think the money would go? |  |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:37 - Jun 22 with 2146 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:02 - Jun 22 by PhilTWTD |
Particularly when to the greatest extent it's paying players' wages. The more cash that's there to pay wages the better - theoretically at least - the squad will be. |
If you think you are going sway the fans that wish to take refunds by saying "we need to pay the players"
Those players who despite not playing are in a far superior financial position to 90% of ITFC fans, so I don't think that will wash.
I am afraid during these tough times the wealthy members of the club i.e. Evans, the players and manager, and potentially the fans that are financially able to donate their refunds will be the ones who sacrifice some cash.
Fans that don't see it as affordable simply will not do it. | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:38 - Jun 22 with 2133 views | Herbivore |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 15:54 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
Well the fans have been doing that for years and look where we are???
ME does not use it to benefit the club, he uses it to keep it ticking along |
Does keeping ticking along not benefit the club? If it doesn't keep ticking along it goes out of business. |  |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:40 - Jun 22 with 2121 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:32 - Jun 22 by Illinoisblue |
“Fear it will go into the daily running of the club” - why would you fear that? Where else do you think the money would go? |
As said above it is Evans that should be filling the gap for funds he is the owner and is the multi-millionaire.
Fans should not be told that the club needs the money otherwise we could be the next Bury, if fans want to donate then fine as I will do.
The responsibility for the daily running of the club is Marcus Evans! | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:40 - Jun 22 with 2115 views | Herbivore |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:37 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
If you think you are going sway the fans that wish to take refunds by saying "we need to pay the players"
Those players who despite not playing are in a far superior financial position to 90% of ITFC fans, so I don't think that will wash.
I am afraid during these tough times the wealthy members of the club i.e. Evans, the players and manager, and potentially the fans that are financially able to donate their refunds will be the ones who sacrifice some cash.
Fans that don't see it as affordable simply will not do it. |
And nobody is making them. This thread is a series of weird and rather unfocused moans. | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:41 - Jun 22 with 2109 views | itfcjoe |
The relationship is bad because we are doing rubbish, any half competent manager and we'd be looking forwards to the play offs or already promoted and there would be no flak for Evans |  |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:43 - Jun 22 with 2101 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:38 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
Does keeping ticking along not benefit the club? If it doesn't keep ticking along it goes out of business. |
As stated above most fans will not be willing to give up the opportunity of £100 refund to keep the status quo of the way this club is run.
If it is the difference between the club continuing or going broke then it may be a different story and more may donate.
Many fans will not be purchasing a ST next season for the exact same reason, those people will almost certainly take a refund.
Look I am not saying I agree with the potential reasoning for taking the refund I am saying I believe it is likely that this will be on people's minds and could cost the club and ME a lot of money | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:44 - Jun 22 with 2098 views | jamesitfc |
Could Marcus come out and say "I've contributed ~7mil each year towards the club. I'm going to continue contributing 7mil /year so every penny as a fanbase raised above what income we have now will go direct towards players or academy".
People probably want reassurance that Marcus won't reduce investment if we make money through player sales or if us as fans spend more money on the club. |  | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:44 - Jun 22 with 2094 views | PhilTWTD |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:37 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
If you think you are going sway the fans that wish to take refunds by saying "we need to pay the players"
Those players who despite not playing are in a far superior financial position to 90% of ITFC fans, so I don't think that will wash.
I am afraid during these tough times the wealthy members of the club i.e. Evans, the players and manager, and potentially the fans that are financially able to donate their refunds will be the ones who sacrifice some cash.
Fans that don't see it as affordable simply will not do it. |
I appreciate it's not an easy line to sell, and agree that the players and manager should also do their bit, but in the current circumstances where the club's revenue will be down millions when you consider the rebates and lack of season ticket sales for the new season, there's not much they can do other than appeal to fans' already stretched loyalties.
They're not in a position to say, for example, all cash will go into a pot for fees for new signings as that's not really practical at the moment. It would actually surprise me if there was much if any cash spent on transfer fees at our level this close season given the general lack of cash and the number of frees that will be available. | | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:47 - Jun 22 with 2061 views | Herbivore |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:43 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
As stated above most fans will not be willing to give up the opportunity of £100 refund to keep the status quo of the way this club is run.
If it is the difference between the club continuing or going broke then it may be a different story and more may donate.
Many fans will not be purchasing a ST next season for the exact same reason, those people will almost certainly take a refund.
Look I am not saying I agree with the potential reasoning for taking the refund I am saying I believe it is likely that this will be on people's minds and could cost the club and ME a lot of money |
So what is the alternative? | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:47 - Jun 22 with 2062 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:44 - Jun 22 by PhilTWTD |
I appreciate it's not an easy line to sell, and agree that the players and manager should also do their bit, but in the current circumstances where the club's revenue will be down millions when you consider the rebates and lack of season ticket sales for the new season, there's not much they can do other than appeal to fans' already stretched loyalties.
They're not in a position to say, for example, all cash will go into a pot for fees for new signings as that's not really practical at the moment. It would actually surprise me if there was much if any cash spent on transfer fees at our level this close season given the general lack of cash and the number of frees that will be available. |
The point a lot of fans will see is, why should one fan who cannot easily afford the donation and the refund would go along way at home be paying to keep the club afloat.
Marcus Evans should be willing to pump more money in to keep the club going, it should not be down to the fans.
If (and its a huge if) we ever got back to the heights of the premier league it is not the fans that will be seeing the £££ of the TV revenues and advertising it is ME. | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:49 - Jun 22 with 2048 views | kizaitfc |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:47 - Jun 22 by Herbivore |
So what is the alternative? |
There isnt one, I am not suggesting there is.
I am simply saying I fear it is going to cost the club a huge sum of money, and the way ME has run the club has not helped [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 16:54]
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:52 - Jun 22 with 2019 views | Herbivore |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:49 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
There isnt one, I am not suggesting there is.
I am simply saying I fear it is going to cost the club a huge sum of money, and the way ME has run the club has not helped [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 16:54]
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So your point is that giving refunds will cost the club money? I'd kind of already worked that out, mate. | |
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| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:55 - Jun 22 with 2008 views | PhilTWTD |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:47 - Jun 22 by kizaitfc |
The point a lot of fans will see is, why should one fan who cannot easily afford the donation and the refund would go along way at home be paying to keep the club afloat.
Marcus Evans should be willing to pump more money in to keep the club going, it should not be down to the fans.
If (and its a huge if) we ever got back to the heights of the premier league it is not the fans that will be seeing the £££ of the TV revenues and advertising it is ME. |
I see your point and the club is aware that a lot of fans will be in a position where they'd like the cash back now, and if that's the case they will be given that option. Equally, there will be those willing to leave their money in the club during what is a difficult time and see if go to season tickets later on down the line or to buy other stuff at the club.
But regardless of that ME is still going to have to put far more than he usually would into the club over the course of the pandemic and its aftermath in order to make ends meet. It seems very likely that a large part of next season is going to be either behind closed doors or in front of small crowds. Or alternatively won't start until crowds are back which is unlikely to be until the new year but with wages still having to be paid in the meantime with nothing coming in. | | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:58 - Jun 22 with 1988 views | Cheshire_Tractor |
I wondered whether it might be viable to give away a few shares in exchange for the donation.
Effectively it doesn't cost the club anything as the shares are largely meaningless at that level. It would feel more of an emotional investment than "can we keep your cash?" would.
If you start giving away free shirts then that is an extra cost to the club. |  | | |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 17:12 - Jun 22 with 1937 views | hype313 |
| Fear Evans and the club is going to pay the price for the poor fan relationship on 16:44 - Jun 22 by PhilTWTD |
I appreciate it's not an easy line to sell, and agree that the players and manager should also do their bit, but in the current circumstances where the club's revenue will be down millions when you consider the rebates and lack of season ticket sales for the new season, there's not much they can do other than appeal to fans' already stretched loyalties.
They're not in a position to say, for example, all cash will go into a pot for fees for new signings as that's not really practical at the moment. It would actually surprise me if there was much if any cash spent on transfer fees at our level this close season given the general lack of cash and the number of frees that will be available. |
I actually think if Evans pulled the trigger on Lambert as soon as they announced the closure of the season, then most, if not all would have probably left the £100 in the Itfc coffers, yes they missed out on a number of games, but I'm sure they would have sacrificed a few games and the money, if they knew they wouldn't have to put up with the dross that was being played out. |  |
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