| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat 09:08 - Dec 7 with 2661 views | StokieBlue |
Interesting one this, so she is of course right that people can choose to eat more vegetables and I think a lot of people are doing that now. However her attack on lab-grown has drawn a number of angry comments from vegetarians and vegans in the comments.
So what at peoples thoughts? A good step forward on the road to less farming and sustainability or pointless and people should be moving fully to more vegetables?
What about other areas? It would seem ideal for pet food for instance.
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 09:16 - Dec 7 with 2201 views | itfcjoe |
It seems a good step and solves a lot of the problems that exist re the unsustainability of animal farming which is often mentioned.
Her argument seems a bit stupid though - why bother with tofu, or veggie burgers, or vegan chicken wings, or anything that isn't just a vergetable.
Callis has often posted about some of the crazy stuff vegan restaurants are now able to do, and the sort of food they can re-create and it looks good (and sure tastes it too).
The eat more vegetables thing basically forgets that people like to enjoy what they eat, and anything that enables that to be done in a more sustainable way is surely good? |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 09:29 - Dec 7 with 2183 views | DanTheMan |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 09:16 - Dec 7 by itfcjoe |
It seems a good step and solves a lot of the problems that exist re the unsustainability of animal farming which is often mentioned.
Her argument seems a bit stupid though - why bother with tofu, or veggie burgers, or vegan chicken wings, or anything that isn't just a vergetable.
Callis has often posted about some of the crazy stuff vegan restaurants are now able to do, and the sort of food they can re-create and it looks good (and sure tastes it too).
The eat more vegetables thing basically forgets that people like to enjoy what they eat, and anything that enables that to be done in a more sustainable way is surely good? |
I agree.
There are a number of reasons that for health reasons we should probably all try and eat less meat but I think that lab grown meat is a net positive. I know a few vegans who said they wouldn't personally eat it, but it'd be a great way to cut down on the amount of livestock needed. |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 09:34 - Dec 7 with 2179 views | Herbivore |
Given that it seems quite unrealistic that most people are going to chsnge their behaviour and stop eating meat or only eat meat very occasionally, I'd say that any solution that minimises or eliminates animal suffering should be seen as a good thing. If it's also going to be better for the environment too then that's also a good thing of course. Personally I don't much fancy it, but as a vegan I'd rather meat was produced in a lab without the need to kill live animals. |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 09:56 - Dec 7 with 2148 views | woiii |
Read the article and it sounds disgusting. Just eat more veg like the headline says is my view. Apart from fish and the occasional sausage I'm getting there. Oh and honey - sorry vegans, I still enslave bees |  | | |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:07 - Dec 7 with 2090 views | Guthrum |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 09:34 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Given that it seems quite unrealistic that most people are going to chsnge their behaviour and stop eating meat or only eat meat very occasionally, I'd say that any solution that minimises or eliminates animal suffering should be seen as a good thing. If it's also going to be better for the environment too then that's also a good thing of course. Personally I don't much fancy it, but as a vegan I'd rather meat was produced in a lab without the need to kill live animals. |
If high-protein food can be grown on an industrial scale in a sustainable manner (e.g. using renewable energy, minimal waste chemicals), that may go a long way to solvling global food shortages/imbalance. |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:14 - Dec 7 with 2081 views | artsbossbeard |
I'm a veggie (non preachy version & each to their own, etc).
I quit eating meat as I was no longer comfortable that something had to die for my lunch.
Therefore, I'd eat this but then again I eat Quorn, so who am I to tell you what's right and what's wrong..? |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:23 - Dec 7 with 2053 views | Swansea_Blue |
Sounds disgusting, but then we have so much artificial and processed foods already. It will come down to people's choice and I'm agreement with giving them the choice (as long as there are no major negative health/environmental issues with these 'foods').
Still sounds disgusting though. |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:29 - Dec 7 with 2035 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:14 - Dec 7 by artsbossbeard |
I'm a veggie (non preachy version & each to their own, etc).
I quit eating meat as I was no longer comfortable that something had to die for my lunch.
Therefore, I'd eat this but then again I eat Quorn, so who am I to tell you what's right and what's wrong..? |
Quorn must be essentially the same principle: a manufactured/lab grown food? | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:30 - Dec 7 with 2035 views | clive_baker |
Faux meat is really hit and miss from my experience, I've tried some excellent alternatives but some properly pants ones too. I've not tried lab grown meat myself specifically, but no doubt we'll see the same here and it too will evolve and improve over time. That's to be expected though, it's a growing category and innovation is improving all the time.
I do not buy that 'whats the point' argument at all. The point is people want variety, and some people also don't want to eat an animal for various reasons, so if the taste & experience can be replicated with minimal or no compromise to taste then I would argue what's the point in NOT eating such substitutes. Based on her logic we might as well all just eat potatoes.
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:33 - Dec 7 with 2020 views | artsbossbeard |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:29 - Dec 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Quorn must be essentially the same principle: a manufactured/lab grown food? |
Yep, that's kinda what I was thinking anyway.
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 12:02 - Dec 7 with 1976 views | Guthrum |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:30 - Dec 7 by clive_baker |
Faux meat is really hit and miss from my experience, I've tried some excellent alternatives but some properly pants ones too. I've not tried lab grown meat myself specifically, but no doubt we'll see the same here and it too will evolve and improve over time. That's to be expected though, it's a growing category and innovation is improving all the time.
I do not buy that 'whats the point' argument at all. The point is people want variety, and some people also don't want to eat an animal for various reasons, so if the taste & experience can be replicated with minimal or no compromise to taste then I would argue what's the point in NOT eating such substitutes. Based on her logic we might as well all just eat potatoes.
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 12:20 - Dec 7 with 1964 views | Ryorry |
For many people it's impossible to "simply eat more vegetables" without experiencing literal gastric blow-out!
Can understand vegans not going for it given their principles - an FBS-free product isn't yet approved.
Great for expansion of choice, but personally I wouldn't be going for it - not yet anyway. One of the lessons to be learned from Covid I'd have thought, is that we need to return to more basic & natural ways of life, not have humans engineering even more complex processes in our food supply, whether chemically or by crowding together animal species that wouldn't have even encountered each other in the natural world. |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 12:27 - Dec 7 with 1949 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 12:20 - Dec 7 by Ryorry |
For many people it's impossible to "simply eat more vegetables" without experiencing literal gastric blow-out!
Can understand vegans not going for it given their principles - an FBS-free product isn't yet approved.
Great for expansion of choice, but personally I wouldn't be going for it - not yet anyway. One of the lessons to be learned from Covid I'd have thought, is that we need to return to more basic & natural ways of life, not have humans engineering even more complex processes in our food supply, whether chemically or by crowding together animal species that wouldn't have even encountered each other in the natural world. |
Surely producing meat in a lab rather than crowding live animals together in wet markets would be much more effective in preventing another Covid type pandemic? | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 13:54 - Dec 7 with 1893 views | Ryorry |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 12:27 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Surely producing meat in a lab rather than crowding live animals together in wet markets would be much more effective in preventing another Covid type pandemic? |
Probably, but there are always doubts about things that are completely new - we can't always foresee the long-term consequences. Asbestos e.g. was thought to be a Good Thing at one time. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 14:27 - Dec 7 with 1865 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 13:54 - Dec 7 by Ryorry |
Probably, but there are always doubts about things that are completely new - we can't always foresee the long-term consequences. Asbestos e.g. was thought to be a Good Thing at one time. |
It's not really a "probably" given how contagious diseases work. Sceptisicm about things just because they are new is a sure fire way to stop society making progress. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 14:55 - Dec 7 with 1831 views | Ryorry |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 14:27 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
It's not really a "probably" given how contagious diseases work. Sceptisicm about things just because they are new is a sure fire way to stop society making progress. |
I was talking about much more than disease - more a reset of society.
"Progress" isn't always good progress. Precautionary principle needs to be applied. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 15:26 - Dec 7 with 1801 views | wkj |
I must admit that I am not a great fan of it, but simply from the point of view of finding it strange. |  |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 15:40 - Dec 7 with 1788 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 14:55 - Dec 7 by Ryorry |
I was talking about much more than disease - more a reset of society.
"Progress" isn't always good progress. Precautionary principle needs to be applied. |
Let's all head back to the caves. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 18:21 - Dec 7 with 1733 views | Ryorry |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 15:40 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Let's all head back to the caves. |
Surprised at such a silly response from you.
Looking at the possibility of restructuring the way us humans live in order to save our species from potential catastrophe resulting from new diseases and climate change, is hardly "heading back to the caves. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 19:00 - Dec 7 with 1705 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 18:21 - Dec 7 by Ryorry |
Surprised at such a silly response from you.
Looking at the possibility of restructuring the way us humans live in order to save our species from potential catastrophe resulting from new diseases and climate change, is hardly "heading back to the caves. |
But you're pouring cold water on something that could contribute to that just because it's new? | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 23:32 - Dec 7 with 1640 views | Ryorry |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 19:00 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
But you're pouring cold water on something that could contribute to that just because it's new? |
I'm saying that I doubt going down the route of ever more refined/artificially created food is the answer we're looking for. We've already seen the backtracking on things like artificial colourings & flavourings, monsodium glutamate, trans fats etc. A comment on a 2014 Guardian article on synthetic foods sums it up for me -
" ..we don't have enough information to proceed with these technologies without potential ecological, economic and health risks. Until we have thorough research and information about the long term effects of synbio organisms producing food ... recklessly promoting these products is not the way to go ...proceed only with very great caution." | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 23:53 - Dec 7 with 1625 views | StokieBlue |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 23:32 - Dec 7 by Ryorry |
I'm saying that I doubt going down the route of ever more refined/artificially created food is the answer we're looking for. We've already seen the backtracking on things like artificial colourings & flavourings, monsodium glutamate, trans fats etc. A comment on a 2014 Guardian article on synthetic foods sums it up for me -
" ..we don't have enough information to proceed with these technologies without potential ecological, economic and health risks. Until we have thorough research and information about the long term effects of synbio organisms producing food ... recklessly promoting these products is not the way to go ...proceed only with very great caution." |
I don't think this in comparible to your examples though. They are all either artificial foods or additives to existing foods. This is growing meat from an animal cell in a medium. In fact it should actually be safer than eating meat from an animal:
"Dozens of firms are developing cultivated chicken, beef and pork, with a view to slashing the impact of industrial livestock production on the climate and nature crises, as well as providing cleaner, drug-free and cruelty-free meat."
It's still a long way off to do this on any scale but it's hard to see the downsides given that quote. I hadn't even considered the drug-free aspect. That is massive as one specific thing it would help with antibiotic resistant bacteria which become more numerous each year and aren't help but the huge use of antibiotics in farming.
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 08:53 - Dec 8 with 1566 views | Herbivore |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 23:32 - Dec 7 by Ryorry |
I'm saying that I doubt going down the route of ever more refined/artificially created food is the answer we're looking for. We've already seen the backtracking on things like artificial colourings & flavourings, monsodium glutamate, trans fats etc. A comment on a 2014 Guardian article on synthetic foods sums it up for me -
" ..we don't have enough information to proceed with these technologies without potential ecological, economic and health risks. Until we have thorough research and information about the long term effects of synbio organisms producing food ... recklessly promoting these products is not the way to go ...proceed only with very great caution." |
You're not comparing like for like. And lab grown meat is not something that has appeared out of nowhere, it's something that's been worked on for years and years now. It just all seems a bit anti-progress for me, all very conservative with a small c. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 10:57 - Dec 8 with 1527 views | Ryorry |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 08:53 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
You're not comparing like for like. And lab grown meat is not something that has appeared out of nowhere, it's something that's been worked on for years and years now. It just all seems a bit anti-progress for me, all very conservative with a small c. |
Not "anti-progress" at all, just careful with a small c, which is no more than sensible. | |
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| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 11:00 - Dec 8 with 1523 views | StokieBlue |
| Interesting article and comments on lab-grown meat on 10:57 - Dec 8 by Ryorry |
Not "anti-progress" at all, just careful with a small c, which is no more than sensible. |
That's fine, although interested to know how you see this as careful?
For instance, what are your thought on my point about drugs?
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