| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point 08:32 - Dec 11 with 971 views | Kropotkin123 |
He mentioned a few things in his apology, which I think misses the point of supporter concerns.
Money - ME states too much emphasis over the last few years, for a club to succeed, has been based on huge cash injections from new owners. However, by and large, Ipswich fans have not and are not asking for huge cash injections. There will always be a section of fans that ask this of their owners, but is not widespread here.
Taking responsibility for Poor Decisions - ME says when making important decisions for Ipswich Town... [he is] 100 per cent responsible for all of them. Every owner is liable for making poor decisions. Whilst people have their opinions on those poor decisions, it is not the poor decisions in and of themselves that cause the issues. It is the lack of structure from the top down to mitigate those poor decisions and in turn protect the club.
For example, appointing PH as manager was a poor. If we had a DoF who actually knew about football, they would not have signed off on Paul Hurst replacing almost the entire team in one transfer window. They would have been quicker to point out fundamental issues. They may have been able to give advice in the interview stage that would have seen ME make a different appointment entirely.
The real take away is that whilst he is apologising to the fans and saying he is 100% responsible. This is entirely the issue. He doesn't know enough about football to be making 100% of the decisions. He needs to take pressure off himself by appointing a DoF and allowing them to create an actual structure, rather than have that position as a PR exercise.
Attacks on the local press and the banning of Phil Ham - Not addressing this for the second time is unacceptable. The initial decision is unacceptable. The clubs current stance is unacceptable. Not addressing and fixing this misses the catalyst for a lot of the anger they are feeling. |  |
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| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 09:31 - Dec 11 with 897 views | Chrisd |
I don’t agree that PH was a poor decision, at the time he ticked all the boxes for our new manager after MM, but it’s hindsight that shows it was. Certainly feel you make a valid point about the lack of an infrastructure, but regarding ME and his decision making, you can probably count on one hand how many good decisions he’s made since he’s been our owner. Yes, it probably doesn’t help with the lack of a structure, but equally when our owner is trying to cut corners and lacks leadership is it any wonder why we continue to struggle? |  |
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| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 09:55 - Dec 11 with 865 views | Simonds92 |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 09:31 - Dec 11 by Chrisd |
I don’t agree that PH was a poor decision, at the time he ticked all the boxes for our new manager after MM, but it’s hindsight that shows it was. Certainly feel you make a valid point about the lack of an infrastructure, but regarding ME and his decision making, you can probably count on one hand how many good decisions he’s made since he’s been our owner. Yes, it probably doesn’t help with the lack of a structure, but equally when our owner is trying to cut corners and lacks leadership is it any wonder why we continue to struggle? |
Disagree, I dont think there was great fanfare around his appointment i think most people just accepted he was the guy ME wanted. There were clear warning signs that he didnt tick all the boxes, we had fans come on here from his previous clubs giving us an insight and it wasnt all positive. We needed someone who understood the club and could unite the fanbase, not a substandard Roy Keane. | | | |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 12:56 - Dec 11 with 799 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 09:31 - Dec 11 by Chrisd |
I don’t agree that PH was a poor decision, at the time he ticked all the boxes for our new manager after MM, but it’s hindsight that shows it was. Certainly feel you make a valid point about the lack of an infrastructure, but regarding ME and his decision making, you can probably count on one hand how many good decisions he’s made since he’s been our owner. Yes, it probably doesn’t help with the lack of a structure, but equally when our owner is trying to cut corners and lacks leadership is it any wonder why we continue to struggle? |
The point isn't really a case of was he right or wrong. The point is a DoF with footballing/management experience would be better placed to spot warning signs. A DoF who has had time to put in safeguards, would be better placed to mitigate damage if warning signs weren't picked up in the selection process. | |
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| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 13:05 - Dec 11 with 784 views | thebooks |
Yep. No real senior management is a problem in and of itself.
The original point of ME **was** to provide tons of cash, but even that didn’t materialise. You’re right – in the absence of zillions we need planning, imagination, intelligence, strategy... anything. Instead, the club has basically been kept running, and that's it.
What does he even mean by "take responsibility for poor decisions"? If that's the case, what happens when he takes responsibility? What changes?
Incidentally, the first interview after this story on Radio Suffolk this morning was with a player talking about having fans back. In the very first sentence he mentioned "moaning". |  | | |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 13:14 - Dec 11 with 770 views | eddiespearitt03 |
Evans is quite comfortable with the state of this club and the increasing debt owed to him. Just the occasional blurt when there is discontent and on we go. A League one club being used it seems to groom young players into assets that he can sell. All the time blaming financial difficulties/parachute payments etc as the excuse for little progress. | | | |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 13:43 - Dec 11 with 748 views | Chrisd |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 12:56 - Dec 11 by Kropotkin123 |
The point isn't really a case of was he right or wrong. The point is a DoF with footballing/management experience would be better placed to spot warning signs. A DoF who has had time to put in safeguards, would be better placed to mitigate damage if warning signs weren't picked up in the selection process. |
Judging from the success rate of ME’s previous decisions even if he appointed a DoF football there’d be little substance to suggest it would be a successful appointment. Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be a good idea, but I’ve got little faith that ME has the capability to make the right appointment for the role so the club can benefit. | |
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| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 14:04 - Dec 11 with 729 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 09:31 - Dec 11 by Chrisd |
I don’t agree that PH was a poor decision, at the time he ticked all the boxes for our new manager after MM, but it’s hindsight that shows it was. Certainly feel you make a valid point about the lack of an infrastructure, but regarding ME and his decision making, you can probably count on one hand how many good decisions he’s made since he’s been our owner. Yes, it probably doesn’t help with the lack of a structure, but equally when our owner is trying to cut corners and lacks leadership is it any wonder why we continue to struggle? |
Paul Hurst was a terrible appointment and shouldn't have ticked any boxes. He never did it as a player, and did next to sweet fa as a manager in the professional game. He had a flukey season with Shrewsbury in which in both cases he still lost both finals and ended up getting the Ipswich job because Evans hasn't a clue about football and the people Evans wanted, wouldn't come here. Hurst also failed miserably at Scunthorpe.
Are you honestly saying that winning the Northern Premier League a couple of times and the Lincolnshire senior cup and shield really should qualified the man to have ever been Town boss?
It was a poor decision. No director of football could mitigate putting a non-league manager in charge of a Championship club. |  |
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| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 14:09 - Dec 11 with 720 views | Chrisd |
| Marcus Evans - Missing the Point on 14:04 - Dec 11 by TieDyedIn95 |
Paul Hurst was a terrible appointment and shouldn't have ticked any boxes. He never did it as a player, and did next to sweet fa as a manager in the professional game. He had a flukey season with Shrewsbury in which in both cases he still lost both finals and ended up getting the Ipswich job because Evans hasn't a clue about football and the people Evans wanted, wouldn't come here. Hurst also failed miserably at Scunthorpe.
Are you honestly saying that winning the Northern Premier League a couple of times and the Lincolnshire senior cup and shield really should qualified the man to have ever been Town boss?
It was a poor decision. No director of football could mitigate putting a non-league manager in charge of a Championship club. |
That’s rather unfair about PH’s playing career, he played 455 games for Rotherham United and Burton Albion, perhaps you can get your appearances out so I can compare? All I can suggest is go back and read some of the comments at the time. I could be wrong, but I certainly didn’t get the impression there was a huge wave of discontent when PH got appointed. He had many aspects that ticked the boxes we were craving in our next manager. That’s not to say that the outcome was very different. [Post edited 11 Dec 2020 14:25]
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