| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation 10:27 - Mar 18 with 1744 views | GlasgowBlue |
Of 4 at the back, there central midfielders, a free man behind the forwards and two up front, what would your team be with the players at our disposal?
........................Cornell......................
Mathison.......Toto........Wilson.......Kenlock
........Bishop.......Downes.......Dozzell.........
.......................judge........................
..............Jackson......Norwood...............
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 10:33 - Mar 18 with 1713 views | PJH |
I quite like that formation although I would not have exactly that eleven but it seems that adapting the system to suit the players that we currently have is not possible, it has to be trying to get players to adapt to a system that obviously does not suit them. |  | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 11:24 - Mar 18 with 1626 views | sotd78 |
The irony of all this formations stuff is precisely that SBR did alter his formations to suit the players. We began life with a traditional winger - Jimmy Robertson, Mick Lambert, Clive Woods. We only changed to the sort of set up you state here when Eric Gates pestered SBR to death to get a starting place. Then he adapted the team to suit. The Dutch guys changed us again.
We have failed dismally in the current situation to look at the players we have and play accordingly. I fear that even Paul Cook will want to impose a style of play.
You wonder sometimes if we actually do any real training and analysis. We've only one forward capable of playing one up - that's Norwood and he's been in and out of fitness. So when we have no Norwood we need by definition to be set up differently.
It's not rocket science. |  |
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 12:21 - Mar 18 with 1559 views | Seablue |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 11:24 - Mar 18 by sotd78 |
The irony of all this formations stuff is precisely that SBR did alter his formations to suit the players. We began life with a traditional winger - Jimmy Robertson, Mick Lambert, Clive Woods. We only changed to the sort of set up you state here when Eric Gates pestered SBR to death to get a starting place. Then he adapted the team to suit. The Dutch guys changed us again.
We have failed dismally in the current situation to look at the players we have and play accordingly. I fear that even Paul Cook will want to impose a style of play.
You wonder sometimes if we actually do any real training and analysis. We've only one forward capable of playing one up - that's Norwood and he's been in and out of fitness. So when we have no Norwood we need by definition to be set up differently.
It's not rocket science. |
Spot on sotd78! |  | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 12:22 - Mar 18 with 1555 views | PJH |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 11:24 - Mar 18 by sotd78 |
The irony of all this formations stuff is precisely that SBR did alter his formations to suit the players. We began life with a traditional winger - Jimmy Robertson, Mick Lambert, Clive Woods. We only changed to the sort of set up you state here when Eric Gates pestered SBR to death to get a starting place. Then he adapted the team to suit. The Dutch guys changed us again.
We have failed dismally in the current situation to look at the players we have and play accordingly. I fear that even Paul Cook will want to impose a style of play.
You wonder sometimes if we actually do any real training and analysis. We've only one forward capable of playing one up - that's Norwood and he's been in and out of fitness. So when we have no Norwood we need by definition to be set up differently.
It's not rocket science. |
That is right SBR did change to get best use out of what he has available, which seems to be common sense to me.
As you rightly say, the way that we played under SBR changed dramatically over the years and he produced three distinct teams and two and possibly three very different systems.
The Dutchmen would have been of little use in the mid 70's team that was based on getting the ball forward and hard running midfielders.
When people talk of playing 'the Ipswich way' I have no idea what they mean because the early 1980's 'Ipswich way' was nothing like the mid 1970's 'Ipswich way'. | | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 14:37 - Mar 18 with 1459 views | BlueForYou |
Would Sir Bobby play just one up front in Div 3? I know he would never have been in Div 3 but if he were picking our team for saturday what do you reckon it would be? |  | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 15:14 - Mar 18 with 1421 views | PJH |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 14:37 - Mar 18 by BlueForYou |
Would Sir Bobby play just one up front in Div 3? I know he would never have been in Div 3 but if he were picking our team for saturday what do you reckon it would be? |
Technically he played one up front in the F.A. Cup Final but that was so Geddis could play wide right to stop Nelson coming forward.
If Whymark had been fit I assume it would have been him and Mariner up front.
I do not think he would play one up front in L3 so whatever team he picked for Saturday would have two down the middle. | | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 15:28 - Mar 18 with 1411 views | jayessess |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 11:24 - Mar 18 by sotd78 |
The irony of all this formations stuff is precisely that SBR did alter his formations to suit the players. We began life with a traditional winger - Jimmy Robertson, Mick Lambert, Clive Woods. We only changed to the sort of set up you state here when Eric Gates pestered SBR to death to get a starting place. Then he adapted the team to suit. The Dutch guys changed us again.
We have failed dismally in the current situation to look at the players we have and play accordingly. I fear that even Paul Cook will want to impose a style of play.
You wonder sometimes if we actually do any real training and analysis. We've only one forward capable of playing one up - that's Norwood and he's been in and out of fitness. So when we have no Norwood we need by definition to be set up differently.
It's not rocket science. |
We're basically playing 2 up front, aren't we? Parrott is a forward, he's not dropping into midfield to build our play or break up theirs. He's generally getting fairly close to Jackson/Norwood.
I'm more inclined the other way, really. Neither of our full-backs are consistently good out balls, so we're very reliant on Dozzell passing between the lines. Gillingham and Fleetwood both had 3 in there, making that difficult. [Post edited 18 Mar 2021 15:33]
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 15:33 - Mar 18 with 1400 views | Keno |
Or even the Burley formation
............... Cornnell ............
..........Toto.......Chambers........Wilson
Mathieson...................................Kenlock
.....Bishop....Downes.....Dozzell
..........Jackson...Norwood |  |
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 16:35 - Mar 18 with 1344 views | BlueForYou |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 15:33 - Mar 18 by Keno |
Or even the Burley formation
............... Cornnell ............
..........Toto.......Chambers........Wilson
Mathieson...................................Kenlock
.....Bishop....Downes.....Dozzell
..........Jackson...Norwood |
That to me looks the way to go | | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 16:40 - Mar 18 with 1324 views | chrismakin |
I think formations come up to much especially and understandably when you lose. But
Say we start 4 2 3 1. Quite often I've seen the likes of parrott next to jackson. Or parrot next to Norwood. Or weve had 3 uptop together... at various stages of the game.
I wouldnt say we have and are a 4 2 3 1 only team. Its flexible but relies on player movements which is the problem at the moment. |  |
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 19:12 - Mar 18 with 1254 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 14:37 - Mar 18 by BlueForYou |
Would Sir Bobby play just one up front in Div 3? I know he would never have been in Div 3 but if he were picking our team for saturday what do you reckon it would be? |
I would imagine he'd pick the team I posted in the op. If they were all fit.
Also SBR wasn't a sentimentalist. Alan Hunter was a great servant to the club, but SBR knew that it's a young man's game and replaced him with Terry Butcher the season after we won the FA Cup. | |
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 22:13 - Mar 18 with 1151 views | BlueForYou |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 19:12 - Mar 18 by GlasgowBlue |
I would imagine he'd pick the team I posted in the op. If they were all fit.
Also SBR wasn't a sentimentalist. Alan Hunter was a great servant to the club, but SBR knew that it's a young man's game and replaced him with Terry Butcher the season after we won the FA Cup. |
Cant argue with that team either. | | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 23:02 - Mar 18 with 1120 views | Seablu |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 19:12 - Mar 18 by GlasgowBlue |
I would imagine he'd pick the team I posted in the op. If they were all fit.
Also SBR wasn't a sentimentalist. Alan Hunter was a great servant to the club, but SBR knew that it's a young man's game and replaced him with Terry Butcher the season after we won the FA Cup. |
Allan Hunter.
I hate it when fans can’t spell legend’s names properly. |  | | |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 05:49 - Mar 19 with 1060 views | Keaneish |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 11:24 - Mar 18 by sotd78 |
The irony of all this formations stuff is precisely that SBR did alter his formations to suit the players. We began life with a traditional winger - Jimmy Robertson, Mick Lambert, Clive Woods. We only changed to the sort of set up you state here when Eric Gates pestered SBR to death to get a starting place. Then he adapted the team to suit. The Dutch guys changed us again.
We have failed dismally in the current situation to look at the players we have and play accordingly. I fear that even Paul Cook will want to impose a style of play.
You wonder sometimes if we actually do any real training and analysis. We've only one forward capable of playing one up - that's Norwood and he's been in and out of fitness. So when we have no Norwood we need by definition to be set up differently.
It's not rocket science. |
Lambert changed the side and formation time and time again last season to our detriment. We were quite comfortable and winning (if unspectacular) playing a 442 and then he decided to start tinkering with countless formations and we lost our way.
This season, he again employed 3 or 4 different formations 433, 4231, 442-diamond and still the rot persisted. Cook’s come in, had a bunch of games to keep the consistency that Gill instilled, which was starting to provide some level of consistency. We haven’t failed to play to the players strengths. We just don’t seem to have found the right combination and the players aren’t stepping up to the plate.
Cook’s making adjustments to a system he prefers which players need to fit in to; if they can’t, they likely won’t be here next season and with so many contracts expiring, he’s taking stock of what he has - seems sensible to me. [Post edited 19 Mar 2021 7:04]
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 09:36 - Mar 19 with 928 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 05:49 - Mar 19 by Keaneish |
Lambert changed the side and formation time and time again last season to our detriment. We were quite comfortable and winning (if unspectacular) playing a 442 and then he decided to start tinkering with countless formations and we lost our way.
This season, he again employed 3 or 4 different formations 433, 4231, 442-diamond and still the rot persisted. Cook’s come in, had a bunch of games to keep the consistency that Gill instilled, which was starting to provide some level of consistency. We haven’t failed to play to the players strengths. We just don’t seem to have found the right combination and the players aren’t stepping up to the plate.
Cook’s making adjustments to a system he prefers which players need to fit in to; if they can’t, they likely won’t be here next season and with so many contracts expiring, he’s taking stock of what he has - seems sensible to me. [Post edited 19 Mar 2021 7:04]
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People talk about this Cook 4-2-3-1 as if it is a formation from a different planet - 'we haven't got the personnel' etc. It's the formation (or a variation thereof) that most teams play nowadays. We were playing it perfectly functionally towards the start of this season. The players need to step up - it's all on them now until the end of this season. If they can't do what he wants them to do then they won't be here long. [Post edited 19 Mar 2021 9:38]
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| Employing the Bobby Robson/ Ferguson formation on 09:37 - Mar 19 with 921 views | BiGDonnie |
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Matheson Chambo Woolf Kenlock
Downes Dozzell Bishop
Judge
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