| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… 18:15 - Sep 14 with 1199 views | unstableblue |
…. That awful awful defending ain’t to do with shape and coaching
That is just basic 101 defending skills you learn at the age of 11!!!!
WTF…. I will say it again this is psychological, this is fear of failure
I actually thought the first goal was mainly down to KVY… but Edmundson just let his man completely get away from him!! It’s unbelievable
But again he must be rusty
But still!! |  |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:18 - Sep 14 with 1169 views | Herbivore |
We were completely all over the shop when out of possession. Do you really think that's not down to shape or coaching? |  |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:19 - Sep 14 with 1165 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
Agree but many are desperate to force an agenda. Basic defending mistakes mainly down to them being strangers and as you say a fear of fecking up - which will only get worse the longer we don’t win. |  | | |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:22 - Sep 14 with 1122 views | Dubtractor |
Can't agree with that buh.
We gave Bolton acres of space to play in inside our half, all game, because our formation was wide open. You could drive the proverbial bus through us. |  |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:24 - Sep 14 with 1091 views | chrismakin |
Still think pay the players In the best position to get the best balance throughout the side
Burns to rightback is a must imo until KVY gets upto speed. |  |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:27 - Sep 14 with 1088 views | unstableblue |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:18 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
We were completely all over the shop when out of possession. Do you really think that's not down to shape or coaching? |
That’s what I originally thought Herbie (can I call you Herbie?)
But on rewatching Aluko is pressing quite well for the first goal it is just a great diagonal pass… not sure our shape could have prevented- but then it’s just school boy defending, unbelievable | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:30 - Sep 14 with 1055 views | Eireannach_gorm |
Not sure KVY can defend. His positional sense is poor and instead if just staying with the attacking player had to dive in and give away with a penalty. He does not use his speed well when he is defending and seems to think he can stand anywhere because he will be able to get back to the player he is supposed to be marking. Both full backs are wing backs so I think we should go three at the back now we have plenty of CBs. |  | | |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:32 - Sep 14 with 1040 views | Herbivore |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:27 - Sep 14 by unstableblue |
That’s what I originally thought Herbie (can I call you Herbie?)
But on rewatching Aluko is pressing quite well for the first goal it is just a great diagonal pass… not sure our shape could have prevented- but then it’s just school boy defending, unbelievable |
Mate, we shipped 5 goals at home and could have shipped more. Every time Bolton won the ball or picked up a second ball they only needed to make one pass or sprint a few yards and they were three on three or four on four against us. That is about absolutely basic coaching and shape when out of possession. I'm sorry, but when a team is strolling through you at will that can't be put down to just individual errors. We were all over the place.
And yes, of course you can call me Herbie. We're forum buddies after all. | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:33 - Sep 14 with 1025 views | unstableblue |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:22 - Sep 14 by Dubtractor |
Can't agree with that buh.
We gave Bolton acres of space to play in inside our half, all game, because our formation was wide open. You could drive the proverbial bus through us. |
Again that’s exactly what I thought Dubster… but watching the extended highlights, some of their play is speculative, our press is not terrible, it’s just the defence were incompetent…. Giving so much space to attackers
KVY also just didn’t need to give that penalty away, the threat wasn’t there
It’s shocking watching it back
Defending 101, get close to your man, don’t panic in the box | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:37 - Sep 14 with 994 views | BlueBadger |
For someone who's dead keen on Technical Football and overanalysing a simple game, you are absolutely shocking at actually knowing anything about it. |  |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:38 - Sep 14 with 985 views | BlueBadger |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:19 - Sep 14 by _sanctimoanious_ |
Agree but many are desperate to force an agenda. Basic defending mistakes mainly down to them being strangers and as you say a fear of fecking up - which will only get worse the longer we don’t win. |
Thing is, 'basic defending mistakes' are things that can and should be coached out. Cook's had a fair amount of summer plus a fortnight off to work on this and we came back and produced our worst display under him so far on Saturday. | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:38 - Sep 14 with 978 views | BlueBadger |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:18 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
We were completely all over the shop when out of possession. Do you really think that's not down to shape or coaching? |
It was a Technical lack of shape, so no. | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:40 - Sep 14 with 971 views | BlueBadger |
Actually, I'd just like to change my answer to 'LOL'. | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:49 - Sep 14 with 913 views | unstableblue |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:37 - Sep 14 by BlueBadger |
For someone who's dead keen on Technical Football and overanalysing a simple game, you are absolutely shocking at actually knowing anything about it. |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:54 - Sep 14 with 884 views | unstableblue |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:32 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
Mate, we shipped 5 goals at home and could have shipped more. Every time Bolton won the ball or picked up a second ball they only needed to make one pass or sprint a few yards and they were three on three or four on four against us. That is about absolutely basic coaching and shape when out of possession. I'm sorry, but when a team is strolling through you at will that can't be put down to just individual errors. We were all over the place.
And yes, of course you can call me Herbie. We're forum buddies after all. |
You and Bluebadger are referring to goals 4 and 5 aren’t you?? Where I agree on your points entirely.
Goals 1-3 defending losing their man completely.
Do keep up. | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:56 - Sep 14 with 865 views | unstableblue |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:19 - Sep 14 by _sanctimoanious_ |
Agree but many are desperate to force an agenda. Basic defending mistakes mainly down to them being strangers and as you say a fear of fecking up - which will only get worse the longer we don’t win. |
Goals 4 and 5 are shape issues in the team… (as well as defenders again not getting close enough)
That’s is coaching
But I guess by then the whole team had just lost their minds | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 19:04 - Sep 14 with 834 views | Herbivore |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:54 - Sep 14 by unstableblue |
You and Bluebadger are referring to goals 4 and 5 aren’t you?? Where I agree on your points entirely.
Goals 1-3 defending losing their man completely.
Do keep up. |
Your OP wasn't exactly specific on that point. However, I'd argue that throughout our shape and organisation when out of possession was barely non-league standard. That's not to say that individual errors didn't compound our problems but the way we were set up was horrific. | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 19:06 - Sep 14 with 808 views | BlueBadger |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:49 - Sep 14 by unstableblue |
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Is that some kind of formation philosophy from the Ukraine in the 50s? | |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 19:07 - Sep 14 with 804 views | BlueBadger |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:56 - Sep 14 by unstableblue |
Goals 4 and 5 are shape issues in the team… (as well as defenders again not getting close enough)
That’s is coaching
But I guess by then the whole team had just lost their minds |
'It's not shape or coaching issue' though. Bloody hell lad, that an even quicker reversal of a hot take than Makin. At least he starts a new thread when he changes his mind.
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 19:16 - Sep 14 with 756 views | jayessess |
There's some bad one-on-one defending, but also bad shape, unclear marking assignments, bad positioning. The third goal especially, we miss one header from a goal kick and suddenly their forward line has a 3 on 3! |  |
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| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 19:19 - Sep 14 with 742 views | BlueBadger |
| Just watched extended highlights… to be fair to Cook… on 18:54 - Sep 14 by unstableblue |
You and Bluebadger are referring to goals 4 and 5 aren’t you?? Where I agree on your points entirely.
Goals 1-3 defending losing their man completely.
Do keep up. |
I'm more referring to the fact that we're continually shipping goals due to 'individual errors'. If they keep happening they aren't 'individual errors' they're 'bad coaching and/or issues with shape'.
And the fact that you specifically said 'no, mate, it's not his coaching or shape' and then blamed coaching or shape.
Fair play though, you probably won't go off in a strop about this though. [Post edited 14 Sep 2021 19:20]
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