| Rumours on 09:12 - Feb 28 with 2494 views | homer_123 |
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| Rumours on 09:17 - Feb 28 with 2441 views | Guthrum |
The Russians already tried to remove Zelensky with the airborne and special forces attack on the first day of the war. Which failed.
Wagner seem to be perceived as some kind of supermen, but they aren't really any different to any of the other ex-military mercenary bands around*. Yes, they have been very effective in facing (tribal) militias in places like Libya and Syria, but that is because they have professional training and (almost certainly) a leavening of former Spetsnaz men. In Ukraine, they are facing those trained and equipped as themselves.
* Of which there are some fighting for the Ukrainians, too. |  |
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| Rumours on 09:28 - Feb 28 with 2358 views | Steve_M |
| Rumours on 09:17 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
The Russians already tried to remove Zelensky with the airborne and special forces attack on the first day of the war. Which failed.
Wagner seem to be perceived as some kind of supermen, but they aren't really any different to any of the other ex-military mercenary bands around*. Yes, they have been very effective in facing (tribal) militias in places like Libya and Syria, but that is because they have professional training and (almost certainly) a leavening of former Spetsnaz men. In Ukraine, they are facing those trained and equipped as themselves.
* Of which there are some fighting for the Ukrainians, too. |
" Yes, they have been very effective in facing (tribal) militias in places like Libya and Syria, but that is because they have professional training and (almost certainly) a leavening of former Spetsnaz men."
That and absolutely no need to follow the rule of law. |  |
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| Rumours on 09:31 - Feb 28 with 2346 views | lowhouseblue |
| Rumours on 09:17 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
The Russians already tried to remove Zelensky with the airborne and special forces attack on the first day of the war. Which failed.
Wagner seem to be perceived as some kind of supermen, but they aren't really any different to any of the other ex-military mercenary bands around*. Yes, they have been very effective in facing (tribal) militias in places like Libya and Syria, but that is because they have professional training and (almost certainly) a leavening of former Spetsnaz men. In Ukraine, they are facing those trained and equipped as themselves.
* Of which there are some fighting for the Ukrainians, too. |
your first para does seem to have been plan A. perhaps putin didn't put as much work into plan B? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Rumours on 09:53 - Feb 28 with 2228 views | Guthrum |
| Rumours on 09:31 - Feb 28 by lowhouseblue |
your first para does seem to have been plan A. perhaps putin didn't put as much work into plan B? |
I think Putin hoped for a quick, cheap success, as with Georgia in 2008. But Ukrainian resistance has been a lot more effective than he (or anyone else) expected. | |
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| [Redacted] on 10:55 - Feb 28 with 2108 views | victorywilhappen |
| Rumours on 09:28 - Feb 28 by Steve_M |
" Yes, they have been very effective in facing (tribal) militias in places like Libya and Syria, but that is because they have professional training and (almost certainly) a leavening of former Spetsnaz men."
That and absolutely no need to follow the rule of law. |
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| Rumours on 10:58 - Feb 28 with 2080 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Rumours on 09:31 - Feb 28 by lowhouseblue |
your first para does seem to have been plan A. perhaps putin didn't put as much work into plan B? |
Putin is the Paul Cook of Presidents. |  |
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| Rumours on 11:11 - Feb 28 with 2018 views | WeWereZombies |
I'll look forward to reading 'In The Same River Twice' (an allusion to the oldest known problem in philosophy) if it gets published in English.
A day or so ago I started a thread about an Al-Jazeera article that reported the view from nations that they considered Russia's allies but I found it puzzling that there was no mention of Algeria, Zimbabwe and other African countries - an Arabic disdain for the Sahel and sub-Sahara? Interestingly this Guardian article you have linked mentions Libya and the Central African Republic, also covert operations by Wagner in Mozambique, a member of the Commonwealth. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 11:44 - Feb 28 with 1895 views | victorywilhappen |
| Rumours on 11:11 - Feb 28 by WeWereZombies |
I'll look forward to reading 'In The Same River Twice' (an allusion to the oldest known problem in philosophy) if it gets published in English.
A day or so ago I started a thread about an Al-Jazeera article that reported the view from nations that they considered Russia's allies but I found it puzzling that there was no mention of Algeria, Zimbabwe and other African countries - an Arabic disdain for the Sahel and sub-Sahara? Interestingly this Guardian article you have linked mentions Libya and the Central African Republic, also covert operations by Wagner in Mozambique, a member of the Commonwealth. |
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| [Redacted] on 12:36 - Feb 28 with 1747 views | victorywilhappen |
| Rumours on 11:11 - Feb 28 by WeWereZombies |
I'll look forward to reading 'In The Same River Twice' (an allusion to the oldest known problem in philosophy) if it gets published in English.
A day or so ago I started a thread about an Al-Jazeera article that reported the view from nations that they considered Russia's allies but I found it puzzling that there was no mention of Algeria, Zimbabwe and other African countries - an Arabic disdain for the Sahel and sub-Sahara? Interestingly this Guardian article you have linked mentions Libya and the Central African Republic, also covert operations by Wagner in Mozambique, a member of the Commonwealth. |
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| Rumours on 12:53 - Feb 28 with 1682 views | hype313 |
| Rumours on 09:53 - Feb 28 by Guthrum |
I think Putin hoped for a quick, cheap success, as with Georgia in 2008. But Ukrainian resistance has been a lot more effective than he (or anyone else) expected. |
I'm reminded of the film Black Hawk Down, when the Americans sent in 100 of thier best hoping for a quick 48hr turn around.... |  |
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| Rumours on 12:59 - Feb 28 with 1658 views | BlueBadger |
| Rumours on 10:58 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Putin is the Paul Cook of Presidents. |
Does this make Boris Paul Lambert?
Patently unfit for the job, popular only with idiots, fond of a vacuous soundbite and in the job for far too long. |  |
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| Rumours on 13:10 - Feb 28 with 1609 views | WeWereZombies |
| Rumours on 12:59 - Feb 28 by BlueBadger |
Does this make Boris Paul Lambert?
Patently unfit for the job, popular only with idiots, fond of a vacuous soundbite and in the job for far too long. |
I think this thread needs some recalibration - Boris is Paul Cook to Putin's Roy Keane.
Ermm - Biden is Roy Hodgson, Scholtz is Benitez, Macron is Conte? | |
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| Rumours on 14:05 - Feb 28 with 1477 views | gordon |
Been on Twitter for a while that these lot have already failed, some dead, some back in Russia, and some stuck in Ukraine but not getting help from Russian army, or Ukrainians. |  | | |
| Rumours on 14:54 - Feb 28 with 1392 views | eastangliaisblue |
Lets hope they end up like the Chechen forces who were sent to hunt President Zelensky. Who are now burning in Hell. |  | | |
| Rumours on 19:17 - Feb 28 with 1079 views | WD19 |
| Rumours on 13:10 - Feb 28 by WeWereZombies |
I think this thread needs some recalibration - Boris is Paul Cook to Putin's Roy Keane.
Ermm - Biden is Roy Hodgson, Scholtz is Benitez, Macron is Conte? |
Macron is Alan Pardew. |  | | |
| Rumours on 20:29 - Feb 28 with 1010 views | WeWereZombies |
| Rumours on 19:17 - Feb 28 by WD19 |
Macron is Alan Pardew. |
So that makes David Milliband Alan Curbishley then... | |
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| Rumours on 22:48 - Feb 28 with 889 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Rumours on 13:10 - Feb 28 by WeWereZombies |
I think this thread needs some recalibration - Boris is Paul Cook to Putin's Roy Keane.
Ermm - Biden is Roy Hodgson, Scholtz is Benitez, Macron is Conte? |
Lukashenko is Steve Evans? |  |
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