| 3 points from 4 games…. 13:29 - Feb 27 with 1924 views | ITFC_Forever |
… against Cheltenham and Morecambe suggests it’s not just results against the top six which are letting us down.
More a general inconsistency. |  |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 14:27 - Feb 27 with 1809 views | Ftnfwest |
Anything could still happen tbh. Writing off Rotherham away in people’s notional points tally for instance is too quick to judge. They could be promoted by then. |  | | |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 14:31 - Feb 27 with 1800 views | jayessess |
There's a difference between inconsistency born of even games, decided by fine margins, and inconsistency born of uneven games where you've failed to make your superiority count. |  |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 15:02 - Feb 27 with 1762 views | kizaitfc |
Normally the odd draw where you are just unfortunate or the opposition keeper has a great game is not an issue.
But because of the start we had it is obviously very disappointing. But we need to be annoyed at our start not where we are now things are heading in the right direction |  |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 17:45 - Feb 27 with 1668 views | Asa |
As a side point, we were lucky to scrape a draw against Morecambe at home and, despite a brilliant first half, deserved to lose at Cheltenham after a second half onslaught.
By comparison, under McKenna we’ve absolutely battered both of them and missed a series of chances yesterday and could easily have won both matches by three or four goals.
Similarity in points return yes, but the difference now between Kieran’s side and Cook’s is a world apart. | | | |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 19:48 - Feb 27 with 1549 views | ArnieM |
Wrote this earlier … posting it now .
Down arrow at your leisure guys…..
It’s Sunday Arbo and I’m not doing much. So thought I’d look at the last 13 games under McKenna also the last 13 games under Cook/ McGreal tenure…..
These are the result stats pre and post McK…I just worked backwards in the fixture list since McK took over up until the previous managers were in situ, and took the same number of game into account . Eg McKenna has done 13 games… so prior to him Ive just gone back in the league fixtures, 13 further games which were under McGreal and then cook.
Cook/ McGreal
P13 W5 L5 D3 F19 A16
McKenna:
P13 W7. L2. D4. F16. A6
Under each managerships results, each manager had won 2 games where more than 2 goals were scored by us. Eg Under Cook it was Pompey 0-4 win, and Wycombe 0-4 win. (Total of 8 goals)
For McKenna he also has had 2 high scoring wins, Gills 0-4, Burton 3-0.( a total of 7goals)
When working out the team’s goals per game ratio, I’ve removed these two game “blips” for each manager…
Therefore :
Cook/ McGreal goals per game ratio works out at 1.0 goals p/game
Mcakenna goals per game Ratio works out at 0.81goals p/game.
If you leave all the 13 games in the goals for ratio, it works out at Cook/ McGreal 1.46, whilst McKenna is 1.23……
Defensively. Goals conceded ……
Cook/McGreal 16 goals conceded over 13 league games, ratio of 1.23 goals/game
McKenna 6 goals conceded over 13 league games, ratio of 0.46 goals/game.
So for each manager(s) over a run of 13 league games,
Cook/ McGreal W5.L5. D3 Goals for ratio 1.0 ….and a goals against ratio 1.23
McKenna. W7. L2. D4 Goals for ratio 0.81, …and a goals against ratio 0.46
So in conclusion. We are defensively miles better under McKenna managership, but scoring less overall goals and have won 2 games more over a 13 game run, compared to Cook/ McGreal who won 2 fewer games, and were defensively poorer, but had a slightly higher goal for ratio compared to McKenna.
So really not that much difference , certainly not statistically as regards goals scored, but defensively McKenna has made us much tighter. So it looks like our ability to convert chances remains our biggest problem. Prior to that we still didn’t score many, but we conceded far too many.
Three / four new strikers next season it is then guys |  |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 21:36 - Feb 27 with 1438 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 19:48 - Feb 27 by ArnieM |
Wrote this earlier … posting it now .
Down arrow at your leisure guys…..
It’s Sunday Arbo and I’m not doing much. So thought I’d look at the last 13 games under McKenna also the last 13 games under Cook/ McGreal tenure…..
These are the result stats pre and post McK…I just worked backwards in the fixture list since McK took over up until the previous managers were in situ, and took the same number of game into account . Eg McKenna has done 13 games… so prior to him Ive just gone back in the league fixtures, 13 further games which were under McGreal and then cook.
Cook/ McGreal
P13 W5 L5 D3 F19 A16
McKenna:
P13 W7. L2. D4. F16. A6
Under each managerships results, each manager had won 2 games where more than 2 goals were scored by us. Eg Under Cook it was Pompey 0-4 win, and Wycombe 0-4 win. (Total of 8 goals)
For McKenna he also has had 2 high scoring wins, Gills 0-4, Burton 3-0.( a total of 7goals)
When working out the team’s goals per game ratio, I’ve removed these two game “blips” for each manager…
Therefore :
Cook/ McGreal goals per game ratio works out at 1.0 goals p/game
Mcakenna goals per game Ratio works out at 0.81goals p/game.
If you leave all the 13 games in the goals for ratio, it works out at Cook/ McGreal 1.46, whilst McKenna is 1.23……
Defensively. Goals conceded ……
Cook/McGreal 16 goals conceded over 13 league games, ratio of 1.23 goals/game
McKenna 6 goals conceded over 13 league games, ratio of 0.46 goals/game.
So for each manager(s) over a run of 13 league games,
Cook/ McGreal W5.L5. D3 Goals for ratio 1.0 ….and a goals against ratio 1.23
McKenna. W7. L2. D4 Goals for ratio 0.81, …and a goals against ratio 0.46
So in conclusion. We are defensively miles better under McKenna managership, but scoring less overall goals and have won 2 games more over a 13 game run, compared to Cook/ McGreal who won 2 fewer games, and were defensively poorer, but had a slightly higher goal for ratio compared to McKenna.
So really not that much difference , certainly not statistically as regards goals scored, but defensively McKenna has made us much tighter. So it looks like our ability to convert chances remains our biggest problem. Prior to that we still didn’t score many, but we conceded far too many.
Three / four new strikers next season it is then guys |
Up until your final two paragraphs you were doing very well.
What you are missing out is the fact that a much better defence is likely to lead to a lower goals for tally unless you are simply inept.
The overall GD is +3 vs +10 and points from those 13 matches are 18 vs 25. Whilst you might think that makes little difference, extrapolate that over a full season and you are talking a tally of 25 extra points and +25 better goal difference.
I don't think you are making the point that you think you are making! [Post edited 27 Feb 2022 21:38]
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 21:43 - Feb 27 with 1408 views | HighgateBlue |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 19:48 - Feb 27 by ArnieM |
Wrote this earlier … posting it now .
Down arrow at your leisure guys…..
It’s Sunday Arbo and I’m not doing much. So thought I’d look at the last 13 games under McKenna also the last 13 games under Cook/ McGreal tenure…..
These are the result stats pre and post McK…I just worked backwards in the fixture list since McK took over up until the previous managers were in situ, and took the same number of game into account . Eg McKenna has done 13 games… so prior to him Ive just gone back in the league fixtures, 13 further games which were under McGreal and then cook.
Cook/ McGreal
P13 W5 L5 D3 F19 A16
McKenna:
P13 W7. L2. D4. F16. A6
Under each managerships results, each manager had won 2 games where more than 2 goals were scored by us. Eg Under Cook it was Pompey 0-4 win, and Wycombe 0-4 win. (Total of 8 goals)
For McKenna he also has had 2 high scoring wins, Gills 0-4, Burton 3-0.( a total of 7goals)
When working out the team’s goals per game ratio, I’ve removed these two game “blips” for each manager…
Therefore :
Cook/ McGreal goals per game ratio works out at 1.0 goals p/game
Mcakenna goals per game Ratio works out at 0.81goals p/game.
If you leave all the 13 games in the goals for ratio, it works out at Cook/ McGreal 1.46, whilst McKenna is 1.23……
Defensively. Goals conceded ……
Cook/McGreal 16 goals conceded over 13 league games, ratio of 1.23 goals/game
McKenna 6 goals conceded over 13 league games, ratio of 0.46 goals/game.
So for each manager(s) over a run of 13 league games,
Cook/ McGreal W5.L5. D3 Goals for ratio 1.0 ….and a goals against ratio 1.23
McKenna. W7. L2. D4 Goals for ratio 0.81, …and a goals against ratio 0.46
So in conclusion. We are defensively miles better under McKenna managership, but scoring less overall goals and have won 2 games more over a 13 game run, compared to Cook/ McGreal who won 2 fewer games, and were defensively poorer, but had a slightly higher goal for ratio compared to McKenna.
So really not that much difference , certainly not statistically as regards goals scored, but defensively McKenna has made us much tighter. So it looks like our ability to convert chances remains our biggest problem. Prior to that we still didn’t score many, but we conceded far too many.
Three / four new strikers next season it is then guys |
Surely Wycombe was McKenna's first game in charge (that's certainly what my memory and TWTD's match report say...). Which means he's had 12 games, not 13.
But even on your figures, there's a massive difference. 18 points from 13 games, versus 25 points from 13 games. That's a difference of 38.8% more points. Or over 24 points in a season. Last season that would be the difference between automatic promotion and mid-table mediocrity. How can that not be a significant difference?
McKenna is running at 2 PPG. That's automatic promotion form.
Yes, we don't score many, yes we have a big problem converting our chances if we want to get into the playoffs this year, but really the difference is very significant indeed. |  | | |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 22:06 - Feb 27 with 1343 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 21:43 - Feb 27 by HighgateBlue |
Surely Wycombe was McKenna's first game in charge (that's certainly what my memory and TWTD's match report say...). Which means he's had 12 games, not 13.
But even on your figures, there's a massive difference. 18 points from 13 games, versus 25 points from 13 games. That's a difference of 38.8% more points. Or over 24 points in a season. Last season that would be the difference between automatic promotion and mid-table mediocrity. How can that not be a significant difference?
McKenna is running at 2 PPG. That's automatic promotion form.
Yes, we don't score many, yes we have a big problem converting our chances if we want to get into the playoffs this year, but really the difference is very significant indeed. |
A very good point. So if you rework the same statistics based on 12 matches:
Pre-McKenna: W4 D4 L4 F17 A15 Pts 16 GD +2
McKenna: W7 D3 L2 F15 A5 Pts 24 GD +10
So, we can expect (based on those figures alone) 150% point return and 500% goal difference compared to what we were getting. Goals for has only dropped marginally too (by 1 goal every 6 matches) while goals against has dropped by an average 1 every match!
Or extrapolated from 12 matches to a full season:
Pts 61 GD +8
Pts 92 GD +39
However, you look at it, the improvement is night and day. Even our goals for column is not that much worse than before.
This is also only looking at league matches and ignoring the dreadful cup results of W0 D2 L1 against Arsenal U21s and Barrow twice. | |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 22:28 - Feb 27 with 1270 views | FrimleyBlue |
As mentioned last night. We just need a set piece specialist who can assist and actually score from freekicks.
We also need a midfielder who can pop goals in from outside the box. A Tommy Miller type. |  |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 13:19 - Feb 28 with 953 views | portmanroadblue |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 22:28 - Feb 27 by FrimleyBlue |
As mentioned last night. We just need a set piece specialist who can assist and actually score from freekicks.
We also need a midfielder who can pop goals in from outside the box. A Tommy Miller type. |
And a centre back who can hit the target with his head from corners/set pieces. |  | | |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 13:26 - Feb 28 with 915 views | ArnieM |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 21:36 - Feb 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Up until your final two paragraphs you were doing very well.
What you are missing out is the fact that a much better defence is likely to lead to a lower goals for tally unless you are simply inept.
The overall GD is +3 vs +10 and points from those 13 matches are 18 vs 25. Whilst you might think that makes little difference, extrapolate that over a full season and you are talking a tally of 25 extra points and +25 better goal difference.
I don't think you are making the point that you think you are making! [Post edited 27 Feb 2022 21:38]
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Was there any need to be so bloody rude “ unless you are totally inept”.?
FFS is it possible to even have a discussion on this forum without responses like you’ve just made? | |
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| 3 points from 4 games…. on 14:42 - Feb 28 with 806 views | franz_tyson |
| 3 points from 4 games…. on 13:26 - Feb 28 by ArnieM |
Was there any need to be so bloody rude “ unless you are totally inept”.?
FFS is it possible to even have a discussion on this forum without responses like you’ve just made? |
Not sure if NthSuffolkBlue was calling you ‘inept’ or the team/defence. Not clear. | | | |
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