| Le Pen would govern for all France 19:44 - Apr 10 with 3800 views | ElderGrizzly |
*as long as your skin colour or religion meet the far right expectations
Le Pen simply doesn’t win the run-off as the French political system is designed to keep out the far right.
It might be closer than Macron would like, but France isn’t going to be voting in a French Nazi who would happily wipe certain immigrants off the face of the earth
And has publicly compared herself favourably to Putin and Trump
She is 2.4% behind where she was last time she tried compared to Macron and the 20% share from Melenchon will effectively go to Macron in the next round.
Yet the media will still hype up the little blonde Nazi [Post edited 10 Apr 2022 19:48]
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 20:50 - Apr 10 with 2678 views | Clapham_Junction |
Erm...
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 21:09 - Apr 10 with 2618 views | EdwardStone |
Isn't there a law that forbids you to use a military title if you are not supposed to?
I don't think that she ever qualified to be a Marine, or passed the selection
Marine Le Pen indeed.....more like cookhouse orderly |  | | |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 21:09 - Apr 10 with 2615 views | HARRY10 |
French Presidential elections allow for a protest vote, by the way they are structured
There is a thought that it would serve a purpose to have her win, much as in the UK where unless the thickos actually experienced Brexit they would continue with their whining, telling us all how wonderful it would be.
Much as with Trump |  | | |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:07 - Apr 10 with 2508 views | ElderGrizzly |
There is no way she more than doubles her share of the vote.
It would need the entire far-left vote to switch to the far right
She got 23% of the vote today, far less popular than the poll suggests [Post edited 10 Apr 2022 22:09]
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:13 - Apr 10 with 2487 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 21:09 - Apr 10 by HARRY10 |
French Presidential elections allow for a protest vote, by the way they are structured
There is a thought that it would serve a purpose to have her win, much as in the UK where unless the thickos actually experienced Brexit they would continue with their whining, telling us all how wonderful it would be.
Much as with Trump |
Macron simply needs to replay the clop where Le Pen says she admires Putin and the way he governs.
She is a horrific individual that would literally be a death sentence for certain people within France | | | |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:21 - Apr 10 with 2457 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:07 - Apr 10 by ElderGrizzly |
There is no way she more than doubles her share of the vote.
It would need the entire far-left vote to switch to the far right
She got 23% of the vote today, far less popular than the poll suggests [Post edited 10 Apr 2022 22:09]
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The shadow figures are their second round results in 2017, not the first round this time. | | | |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:34 - Apr 10 with 2407 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:21 - Apr 10 by Clapham_Junction |
The shadow figures are their second round results in 2017, not the first round this time. |
Appreciate that.
She got 23% today in ‘real’ votes. She won’t more than double that in the 2nd round unless a LOT of people lose their heads | | | |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 22:48 - Apr 10 with 2357 views | HARRY10 |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:13 - Apr 10 by ElderGrizzly |
Macron simply needs to replay the clop where Le Pen says she admires Putin and the way he governs.
She is a horrific individual that would literally be a death sentence for certain people within France |
"She repeated her support for Moscow's annexation of Crimea, and her opposition to the sanctions subsequently imposed by the EU. If elected to the Elysee Palace, she pledged: "I would envisage lifting the sanctions quite quickly."
And up to the invasion she was still pushing her support for Putin (as with Johnson) and denying he would invade. That her party is funded by a loan from a small bank, First Czech Russian Bank, with links to the Kremlin should be of concern. As should the fact there has been no hurry to repay it.
As with Johnson and Farage, Putin has founded their anti EU message for his own gain. I doubt either or the latter did it for idealogical treasons. They are both self serving weasels who would sell their granny for the trappings of power. But whatever the reason it smacks almost of treason - and no amount of back peddling by Johnson/Farage or Le Pen will remove the evidence of their previous position with regard to Putin
How much this will play with the French electorate won't be known precisely for another fortnight, but expect more revelations.
Something Blubba the Gut should be aware of as well. There are plenty of skeletons to come out of his wardrobe yet | | | |
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| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 22:51 - Apr 10 with 2333 views | lowhouseblue |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 22:48 - Apr 10 by HARRY10 |
"She repeated her support for Moscow's annexation of Crimea, and her opposition to the sanctions subsequently imposed by the EU. If elected to the Elysee Palace, she pledged: "I would envisage lifting the sanctions quite quickly."
And up to the invasion she was still pushing her support for Putin (as with Johnson) and denying he would invade. That her party is funded by a loan from a small bank, First Czech Russian Bank, with links to the Kremlin should be of concern. As should the fact there has been no hurry to repay it.
As with Johnson and Farage, Putin has founded their anti EU message for his own gain. I doubt either or the latter did it for idealogical treasons. They are both self serving weasels who would sell their granny for the trappings of power. But whatever the reason it smacks almost of treason - and no amount of back peddling by Johnson/Farage or Le Pen will remove the evidence of their previous position with regard to Putin
How much this will play with the French electorate won't be known precisely for another fortnight, but expect more revelations.
Something Blubba the Gut should be aware of as well. There are plenty of skeletons to come out of his wardrobe yet |
"up to the invasion she was still pushing her support for Putin (as with Johnson)"
what is your evidence of johnson's support for putin? |  |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 23:26 - Apr 10 with 2246 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What is it about Macron that you think will appeal to EU sceptic Mélenchon's voters? |  |
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| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 23:58 - Apr 10 with 2207 views | gazzer1999 |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 22:51 - Apr 10 by lowhouseblue |
"up to the invasion she was still pushing her support for Putin (as with Johnson)"
what is your evidence of johnson's support for putin? |
He doesn't have any, he calls everyone thicko's I think he means everyone on this forum believes everything he types and is not allowed an opinion that is not the same as his. Which ever way he spins it he thinks all those up north in the red wall that voted to leave the EU are thick and only listened to Putin. He needs to get out more, away from his keyboard and look around, crikey this board is broadly left wing but this town voted a bloody Tory in and to leave the EU. I wonder what colour the sky is in his world.
The Tory party were very pro EU and the Labour Party were very much against joining, they were on a loser all the way once they had a referendum, implement the result or what was the point. |  | | |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 01:46 - Apr 11 with 2107 views | jeera |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 23:58 - Apr 10 by gazzer1999 |
He doesn't have any, he calls everyone thicko's I think he means everyone on this forum believes everything he types and is not allowed an opinion that is not the same as his. Which ever way he spins it he thinks all those up north in the red wall that voted to leave the EU are thick and only listened to Putin. He needs to get out more, away from his keyboard and look around, crikey this board is broadly left wing but this town voted a bloody Tory in and to leave the EU. I wonder what colour the sky is in his world.
The Tory party were very pro EU and the Labour Party were very much against joining, they were on a loser all the way once they had a referendum, implement the result or what was the point. |
What are you on about and how far back are you trying to go to make a point?
Both McMillan and Wilson were keen on joining the EEC but were vetoed.
But this is just weird, are you really trying to drag up some era 50 years ago that half the nation cannot even relate to?
EU membership was not/is not a flipping Left or Right nor Labour Vs Tory matter. Why do people keep doing this?
There were prominent members of each party who argued for either case so why are you still reciting this nonsense as though making some point? You're not.
The point is, whether you can cope with it or otherwise, is that leaving the current EU was a Tory-driven thing, what with them making the sodding decision for a referendum and all that.
And then the campaigns we all know about thereafter.
This is not difficult.
This is the trouble, whilst people who voted for it still take the outcome so personally as though it was their fault* and cannot shed the chip on their shoulder we're not going to move forwards. It's not those who saw through the BS who are the problem here.
*It was their fault. Totally their fault, just to be clear.
Self-flagellation and a dozen Hail Mary's per day until further notice please. |  |
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| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 07:02 - Apr 11 with 2000 views | gazzer1999 |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 01:46 - Apr 11 by jeera |
What are you on about and how far back are you trying to go to make a point?
Both McMillan and Wilson were keen on joining the EEC but were vetoed.
But this is just weird, are you really trying to drag up some era 50 years ago that half the nation cannot even relate to?
EU membership was not/is not a flipping Left or Right nor Labour Vs Tory matter. Why do people keep doing this?
There were prominent members of each party who argued for either case so why are you still reciting this nonsense as though making some point? You're not.
The point is, whether you can cope with it or otherwise, is that leaving the current EU was a Tory-driven thing, what with them making the sodding decision for a referendum and all that.
And then the campaigns we all know about thereafter.
This is not difficult.
This is the trouble, whilst people who voted for it still take the outcome so personally as though it was their fault* and cannot shed the chip on their shoulder we're not going to move forwards. It's not those who saw through the BS who are the problem here.
*It was their fault. Totally their fault, just to be clear.
Self-flagellation and a dozen Hail Mary's per day until further notice please. |
Get a grip, it was the people who voted for its fault, they own it. So you think everyone is thick who voted for it? go up north to the red wall constituencies and tell them that.
Remember opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one. | | | |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 07:49 - Apr 11 with 1978 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Personally I find French politics quite interesting and take issue with the bigoted stance of ‘far right’ or ‘far left’. Don’t forget that the communists also got 20% of the vote. The first round is utterly meaningless - Macron didn’t even bother to campaign - and still increased his share of the first round vote
Even a token look at le Pen’s supporters at rallies shows her support is full of affluent, educated young people - these people are not Nazis - they are simply chasing the illusion of a new broom - as Macron’s supporters once did. The traditional parties of French politics are nowhere to be seen
The real election starts now with a real possibility that the communist leader will urge his supporters to vote for Le Pen. That curiosity doesn’t sit comfortably with Iill-informed Guardian leader writers either
I notice the region i live in voted for Le Pen. They vote the same way in regional elections. There are no Nazi flags to be seen. Mind you they do play rugby. | |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 07:54 - Apr 11 with 1952 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 23:26 - Apr 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is it about Macron that you think will appeal to EU sceptic Mélenchon's voters? |
I’m sure the yellow vests will turn out in their millions to vote Macron. |  |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 08:19 - Apr 11 with 1901 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 07:49 - Apr 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Personally I find French politics quite interesting and take issue with the bigoted stance of ‘far right’ or ‘far left’. Don’t forget that the communists also got 20% of the vote. The first round is utterly meaningless - Macron didn’t even bother to campaign - and still increased his share of the first round vote
Even a token look at le Pen’s supporters at rallies shows her support is full of affluent, educated young people - these people are not Nazis - they are simply chasing the illusion of a new broom - as Macron’s supporters once did. The traditional parties of French politics are nowhere to be seen
The real election starts now with a real possibility that the communist leader will urge his supporters to vote for Le Pen. That curiosity doesn’t sit comfortably with Iill-informed Guardian leader writers either
I notice the region i live in voted for Le Pen. They vote the same way in regional elections. There are no Nazi flags to be seen. Mind you they do play rugby. |
"The real election starts now with a real possibility that the communist leader will urge his supporters to vote for Le Pen. That curiosity doesn’t sit comfortably with Iill-informed Guardian leader writers either"
I see you're closely following this then. What he's actually said is "There must be no single vote for Le Pen".
https://www.france24.com/en/video/20220410-there-must-be-no-single-vote-for-le-p | | | |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 08:23 - Apr 11 with 1886 views | NthQldITFC |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 23:26 - Apr 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is it about Macron that you think will appeal to EU sceptic Mélenchon's voters? |
It has been worrying me overnight that French kingmaker-to-be John Cougar Mellencamp might actually side with Le Pen, after all he did promote Trump all those years ago with that song about that 'C. O. C. K. in the USA'.
(I don't have that strong a grasp on French politics. Or anything else really.) |  |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 08:42 - Apr 11 with 1808 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 23:26 - Apr 10 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is it about Macron that you think will appeal to EU sceptic Mélenchon's voters? |
That he’s not Le Pen. |  |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 09:14 - Apr 11 with 1745 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 08:42 - Apr 11 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
That he’s not Le Pen. |
My prediction is a very low turn out and quite possibly a Brexit type 'surprise.' | |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 10:08 - Apr 11 with 1695 views | blueasfook |
Quite. And he polled a 5th of the vote, so if all those voters now get behind Macron, I think he will be safe. |  |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 10:13 - Apr 11 with 1664 views | blueasfook |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 22:07 - Apr 10 by ElderGrizzly |
There is no way she more than doubles her share of the vote.
It would need the entire far-left vote to switch to the far right
She got 23% of the vote today, far less popular than the poll suggests [Post edited 10 Apr 2022 22:09]
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You mean like what happened in our last election? (Excluding the word "far") | |
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| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 10:22 - Apr 11 with 1651 views | blueasfook |
| Le Pen would govern came from a small bank, First Czech Russian for all France on 23:58 - Apr 10 by gazzer1999 |
He doesn't have any, he calls everyone thicko's I think he means everyone on this forum believes everything he types and is not allowed an opinion that is not the same as his. Which ever way he spins it he thinks all those up north in the red wall that voted to leave the EU are thick and only listened to Putin. He needs to get out more, away from his keyboard and look around, crikey this board is broadly left wing but this town voted a bloody Tory in and to leave the EU. I wonder what colour the sky is in his world.
The Tory party were very pro EU and the Labour Party were very much against joining, they were on a loser all the way once they had a referendum, implement the result or what was the point. |
I'm truly getting sick of his offensive fat insults.
I think Mr Ham needs to show him a yellow card. | |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 10:42 - Apr 11 with 1624 views | Guthrum |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 07:49 - Apr 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Personally I find French politics quite interesting and take issue with the bigoted stance of ‘far right’ or ‘far left’. Don’t forget that the communists also got 20% of the vote. The first round is utterly meaningless - Macron didn’t even bother to campaign - and still increased his share of the first round vote
Even a token look at le Pen’s supporters at rallies shows her support is full of affluent, educated young people - these people are not Nazis - they are simply chasing the illusion of a new broom - as Macron’s supporters once did. The traditional parties of French politics are nowhere to be seen
The real election starts now with a real possibility that the communist leader will urge his supporters to vote for Le Pen. That curiosity doesn’t sit comfortably with Iill-informed Guardian leader writers either
I notice the region i live in voted for Le Pen. They vote the same way in regional elections. There are no Nazi flags to be seen. Mind you they do play rugby. |
Le Pen is standing on a carefully crafted manifesto of "we can make the economy work better" and has moved the party a long way from where it was in her father's day. Its rhetoric is still pretty hardline on Muslims and immigration, tho.
I'm not convinced she has a magic bullet on cost-of-living any more than Macron. So much of it is down to external factors (e.g. global cost of fuel).
Mind you, the terms "left" and "right" did originate in the National Assembly, so they're more appropriate in French politics than most. |  |
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 11:22 - Apr 11 with 1578 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 07:49 - Apr 11 by ElephantintheRoom |
Personally I find French politics quite interesting and take issue with the bigoted stance of ‘far right’ or ‘far left’. Don’t forget that the communists also got 20% of the vote. The first round is utterly meaningless - Macron didn’t even bother to campaign - and still increased his share of the first round vote
Even a token look at le Pen’s supporters at rallies shows her support is full of affluent, educated young people - these people are not Nazis - they are simply chasing the illusion of a new broom - as Macron’s supporters once did. The traditional parties of French politics are nowhere to be seen
The real election starts now with a real possibility that the communist leader will urge his supporters to vote for Le Pen. That curiosity doesn’t sit comfortably with Iill-informed Guardian leader writers either
I notice the region i live in voted for Le Pen. They vote the same way in regional elections. There are no Nazi flags to be seen. Mind you they do play rugby. |
Personally, I find it very disturbing that two antisemites on from opposite extreme ends of the spectrum can take a combined 43.4% of the vote in a Western European social democracy.
Edit. Actually, make that 50.6% if you add in Zemmour, who although Jewish still subscribes to anti-Semite history in his far-right ideology. [Post edited 11 Apr 2022 11:27]
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| Le Pen would govern for all France on 12:16 - Apr 11 with 1460 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Le Pen would govern for all France on 11:22 - Apr 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Personally, I find it very disturbing that two antisemites on from opposite extreme ends of the spectrum can take a combined 43.4% of the vote in a Western European social democracy.
Edit. Actually, make that 50.6% if you add in Zemmour, who although Jewish still subscribes to anti-Semite history in his far-right ideology. [Post edited 11 Apr 2022 11:27]
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You should stop reading the guardian or you’ll find anti-semites under your bed.
You do realise you’re living in a country which proposes to move undesirables to camps far away to be processed - and that is a highly popular idea. And a leader who thinks nothing of breaking international or domestic law - making him a pariah on the international stage - though not above using a war for personal political gain
Or uses lax law tax laws that have funded Putin to unseat his own chancellor?
France is quite dull by comparison. | |
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