| Well said Starmer 11:19 - Aug 15 with 1959 views | giant_stow |
"We’ve been working on that for six or seven weeks ... I’ve got a very important job as leader of the Labour party, leader of the opposition, but I’ve also got another job that’s really important and that is I’m a dad and I’m not going to apologise for going on holiday with my wife and kids, it’s the first time we’ve had a real holiday for about three years."
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| Well said Starmer on 11:23 - Aug 15 with 1904 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
He should have waited until there was a crucial referendum before going on holiday. |  | | |
| Well said Starmer on 11:33 - Aug 15 with 1855 views | noggin |
Tbh, nobody will notice he's gone. |  |
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| Well said Starmer on 11:47 - Aug 15 with 1782 views | giant_stow |
| Well said Starmer on 11:33 - Aug 15 by noggin |
Tbh, nobody will notice he's gone. |
In fairness, he's just announced a decent, costed plan on Energy prices. | |
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| Well said Starmer on 11:53 - Aug 15 with 1714 views | Keno |
It’s not like in the polls he is currently bottom of the league |  |
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| Well said Starmer on 11:54 - Aug 15 with 1707 views | Mookamoo |
| Well said Starmer on 11:47 - Aug 15 by giant_stow |
In fairness, he's just announced a decent, costed plan on Energy prices. |
I'll give Sunak 2 days before he announces the very same plan. |  | | |
| Well said Starmer on 11:59 - Aug 15 with 1662 views | giant_stow |
| Well said Starmer on 11:54 - Aug 15 by Mookamoo |
I'll give Sunak 2 days before he announces the very same plan. |
Most likely yeah.
I've just read the TUC estimate privatising the big 5 energy companies would only cost £2.85bn. Seems way to cheap to me, but can any city bods confirm? | |
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| Well said Starmer on 12:11 - Aug 15 with 1571 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Well said Starmer on 11:59 - Aug 15 by giant_stow |
Most likely yeah.
I've just read the TUC estimate privatising the big 5 energy companies would only cost £2.85bn. Seems way to cheap to me, but can any city bods confirm? |
Assume that’s a slightly disingenuous figure in that it is for Utility firms only, and does not include the £30bn in assets owned by the National Grid. | | | |
| Well said Starmer on 12:31 - Aug 15 with 1477 views | Darth_Koont |
He’ll also never apologise for being slow off the mark, forever outflanked, dishonest, anti-democratic and ultimately looking to serve his own and the establishment’s interests first.
He’ll never flat out support Enough is Enough or even the unions in their pay and working conditions struggle. Because that’s not who he is nor who his and the other right-wingers’ version of the Labour party is there for.
Just getting him to this point feels like an effort. |  |
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| Well said Starmer on 12:32 - Aug 15 with 1473 views | BloomBlue |
Trouble is he will simply be accused of pinching the idea from the LibDems |  | | |
| Well said Starmer on 12:45 - Aug 15 with 1425 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Well said Starmer on 12:32 - Aug 15 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is he will simply be accused of pinching the idea from the LibDems |
Thing is, I don't care if he pinched it from the Lib Dems.
This issue shouldn't be political at all. I'd rather Labour and us worked together to get something through than allow Liz Truss to do sod all with her VAT rebate worth £200. |  | | |
| Well said Starmer on 12:53 - Aug 15 with 1384 views | Illinoisblue |
| Well said Starmer on 12:31 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
He’ll also never apologise for being slow off the mark, forever outflanked, dishonest, anti-democratic and ultimately looking to serve his own and the establishment’s interests first.
He’ll never flat out support Enough is Enough or even the unions in their pay and working conditions struggle. Because that’s not who he is nor who his and the other right-wingers’ version of the Labour party is there for.
Just getting him to this point feels like an effort. |
You’re not a fan then? |  |
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| Well said Starmer on 13:37 - Aug 15 with 1258 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well said Starmer on 12:53 - Aug 15 by Illinoisblue |
You’re not a fan then? |
Yeah, I have a thing about crap, lying and self-interested politicians who effectively block genuine alternatives and solutions.
I know I should ignore it and get with the programme but ... | |
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| Well said Starmer on 13:47 - Aug 15 with 1224 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well said Starmer on 12:45 - Aug 15 by ElderGrizzly |
Thing is, I don't care if he pinched it from the Lib Dems.
This issue shouldn't be political at all. I'd rather Labour and us worked together to get something through than allow Liz Truss to do sod all with her VAT rebate worth £200. |
It's also blindingly obvious to anyone that bills (or whatever customers end up paying) need to be reduced by thousands per customer, and not hundreds.
I agree that this shouldn't be political. This is basic stuff that should have been stated weeks ago. And not in a summer gap where parties and leader candidates are essentially on manoeuvres.
Do your jobs and represent the citizens of the UK much more pro-actively and convincingly. [Post edited 15 Aug 2022 13:49]
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| Well said Starmer on 13:50 - Aug 15 with 1209 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well said Starmer on 11:23 - Aug 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
He should have waited until there was a crucial referendum before going on holiday. |
Citation needed. And some savlon for your botty. | |
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| Well said Starmer on 13:52 - Aug 15 with 1196 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well said Starmer on 11:59 - Aug 15 by giant_stow |
Most likely yeah.
I've just read the TUC estimate privatising the big 5 energy companies would only cost £2.85bn. Seems way to cheap to me, but can any city bods confirm? |
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| Well said Starmer on 13:57 - Aug 15 with 1178 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
A very short-sighted view. Compensate the companies in order to reduce the bills instead of paying to renationalise them and then controlling the costs long term.
Every penny of profit from the privatised utilities, railways and all is money that could have been used to keep costs down or would otherwise swell Government coffers. Of course, it does require the companies to be well run still. |  |
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| Well said Starmer on 14:01 - Aug 15 with 1161 views | giant_stow |
| Well said Starmer on 13:57 - Aug 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
A very short-sighted view. Compensate the companies in order to reduce the bills instead of paying to renationalise them and then controlling the costs long term.
Every penny of profit from the privatised utilities, railways and all is money that could have been used to keep costs down or would otherwise swell Government coffers. Of course, it does require the companies to be well run still. |
Couldn't we just regulate their profits away for free? Perhaps that's a naïve thing to say... | |
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| Well said Starmer on 14:09 - Aug 15 with 1124 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Well said Starmer on 13:57 - Aug 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
A very short-sighted view. Compensate the companies in order to reduce the bills instead of paying to renationalise them and then controlling the costs long term.
Every penny of profit from the privatised utilities, railways and all is money that could have been used to keep costs down or would otherwise swell Government coffers. Of course, it does require the companies to be well run still. |
I don't think nationalising the utility companies is the answer, as the high costs are coming from the suppliers to them?
More control I agree, but I don't think we need a national utility company. It will just be run by Serco and Tory donors. | | | |
| Well said Starmer on 14:16 - Aug 15 with 1089 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Well said Starmer on 14:01 - Aug 15 by giant_stow |
Couldn't we just regulate their profits away for free? Perhaps that's a naïve thing to say... |
It would be possible but what would the long-term effect of that be? Private companies exist to make a profit. If they do not make sufficient profit, the investment in them would end. I don't think that is the best solution. | |
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| Well said Starmer on 14:18 - Aug 15 with 1066 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Well said Starmer on 14:09 - Aug 15 by ElderGrizzly |
I don't think nationalising the utility companies is the answer, as the high costs are coming from the suppliers to them?
More control I agree, but I don't think we need a national utility company. It will just be run by Serco and Tory donors. |
Under the current Government, yes it would. But I am not talking about nationalising in order to out-source. I mean have it properly run as a national company as it once was. Have railways, utilities, the NHS etc run for the benefit of those who use them rather than for profit. If all the higher costs were simply coming from the suppliers, the profits would remain stable instead of soaring wouldn't they? | |
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| Well said Starmer on 14:49 - Aug 15 with 999 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Well said Starmer on 14:18 - Aug 15 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Under the current Government, yes it would. But I am not talking about nationalising in order to out-source. I mean have it properly run as a national company as it once was. Have railways, utilities, the NHS etc run for the benefit of those who use them rather than for profit. If all the higher costs were simply coming from the suppliers, the profits would remain stable instead of soaring wouldn't they? |
I’m not against the nationalisation of the energy supply companies, simply as I don’t think it is effective competition and it takes an element of profit out.
However, it’s important to realise in the current circumstances it’s not a silver bullet in terms of bringing down energy prices. The utility firms have a profit margin of around 2pc of your bill, so when you are looking at 4k per annum it’s really not going to help households.
Over 50pc of your bill is wholesale costs from the producers - gas has quadrupled in price, this isn’t going to change with nationalisation of utilities. That’s why Starmer’s proposal will leave people much better off. | | | |
| Well said Starmer on 14:57 - Aug 15 with 973 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Well said Starmer on 14:49 - Aug 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m not against the nationalisation of the energy supply companies, simply as I don’t think it is effective competition and it takes an element of profit out.
However, it’s important to realise in the current circumstances it’s not a silver bullet in terms of bringing down energy prices. The utility firms have a profit margin of around 2pc of your bill, so when you are looking at 4k per annum it’s really not going to help households.
Over 50pc of your bill is wholesale costs from the producers - gas has quadrupled in price, this isn’t going to change with nationalisation of utilities. That’s why Starmer’s proposal will leave people much better off. |
Yes, that's the point I was trying to make and you have made much better :)
Current profits for a utility company are around £35 in a £1971 price cap. They aren't the issue here, but are the easy target.
Also, Liz Truss's grand plan of cutting VAT (is only £94) and green tariff (only £160) of the £1971 is equally as unhelpful.
Starmer's plan is right, but being in opposition he has no hope of getting Tories to take it | | | |
| Well said Starmer on 16:33 - Aug 15 with 834 views | giant_stow |
| Well said Starmer on 12:11 - Aug 15 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Assume that’s a slightly disingenuous figure in that it is for Utility firms only, and does not include the £30bn in assets owned by the National Grid. |
Cheers mr - thought it sounded like not enough. | |
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