| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 20:57 - Dec 12 with 1804 views | HARRY10 |
err.....
posted earlier
it just got worse
"A “decade of neglect” by successive Conservative administrations has weakened the NHS to the point that it will not be able to tackle the 7 million-strong backlog of care, a government-commissioned report has concluded.
The paper by the King’s Fund health think-tank says years of denying funding to the health service and failing to address its growing workforce crisis has left it with too few staff, too little equipment and too many outdated buildings to perform the amount of surgery needed."
And who drew up this report ?
"The findings are especially embarrassing for the Conservatives because the report was ordered by the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) late last year. They are critical of the impact on the NHS of the austerity programme initiated by David Cameron in 2010 and continued by his successor, Theresa May."
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/12/decade-of-neglect-means-nhs-unab
"The leaders of Britain’s A&E doctors as well as NHS ambulance service bosses in England have voiced acute concern about the number of patients coming to harm, and even dying, as a direct result of waiting for an ambulance to arrive or to get into A&E or from there into a hospital bed"
The report is due to be published in full later this week
[Post edited 12 Dec 2022 21:23]
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:17 - Dec 12 with 1768 views | factual_blue |
Yeah, but the King's Health Fund is owned by the EU.....
(....or something like that, rather than it being a highly respected academic research institute.) |  |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:26 - Dec 12 with 1749 views | BlueBadger |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:17 - Dec 12 by factual_blue |
Yeah, but the King's Health Fund is owned by the EU.....
(....or something like that, rather than it being a highly respected academic research institute.) |
Experts are at least as bad as being owned by the EU in the eyes of the Stupid Party. |  |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:28 - Dec 12 with 1737 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:17 - Dec 12 by factual_blue |
Yeah, but the King's Health Fund is owned by the EU.....
(....or something like that, rather than it being a highly respected academic research institute.) |
I heard Meghan Markle met a King once. That’s enough to put anyone right off them. Def info. |  |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:39 - Dec 12 with 1707 views | DJR |
The Guardian has picked this up, and it should be shouted from the rooftops, but I have my suspicions that it will get precious little publicity elsewhere. |  | | |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:39 - Dec 12 with 1703 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Defund, demoralise, privatise.
I am sure they will look to rush through a raft of privatisations before their term ends. |  |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:52 - Dec 12 with 1642 views | Churchman |
There is a particular quote in this article:
“We have essentially had 10 years of managed decline.”
That says it all. They are not interested. They never were. If you want it, pay for it. If you can’t, get a second job, work harder, get on your bike, why should we pay for the undeserving poor. Etc etc etc.
Where we are is not an accident. It has nothing to do with Covid, Putin, Martians, Englands exit from the World Cup, the weather or Brexit. It is long standing, deliberate policy, fronted by simpering expressions in public, ‘commitment to the NHS’ haha, hand wringing and laughter behind the scenes.
Lies and deceit - the only thing these lizards excel in.
Wouldn’t it have been nice if they were held to account? Nope. No chance and they know it. The likes of Cameron and Osborne are coining it. Hancock - £300k richer for eating bugs on a tv show, also coining it. It’s what they went into HoC for. Dregs. |  | | |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:54 - Dec 12 with 1625 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:39 - Dec 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Defund, demoralise, privatise.
I am sure they will look to rush through a raft of privatisations before their term ends. |
New Labour did too of course, following through (and accelerating) Tory plans for private finance of the NHS. Their PFI deals saddled us with huge amounts of overly expensive debt. But it did mean we could get treated and undoubtedly saved thousands of lives. Although I’m sure the same outcomes could have been achieved for less overall cost.
There’s a good summary of the PFI fiasco in the Independent of all places, for anyone who wasn’t around/paying attention at the time https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-b It was like the world’s sh*tiest, most expensive mortgage.
The worry is that Starmer appears to be positioning New New Labour to the right of New Labour both economically and socially. It doesn’t bode well if they get in (although obviously would be preferable to the current bunch). | |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 22:01 - Dec 12 with 1605 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:54 - Dec 12 by Swansea_Blue |
New Labour did too of course, following through (and accelerating) Tory plans for private finance of the NHS. Their PFI deals saddled us with huge amounts of overly expensive debt. But it did mean we could get treated and undoubtedly saved thousands of lives. Although I’m sure the same outcomes could have been achieved for less overall cost.
There’s a good summary of the PFI fiasco in the Independent of all places, for anyone who wasn’t around/paying attention at the time https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-b It was like the world’s sh*tiest, most expensive mortgage.
The worry is that Starmer appears to be positioning New New Labour to the right of New Labour both economically and socially. It doesn’t bode well if they get in (although obviously would be preferable to the current bunch). |
I agree entirely. I initially took the view that any Labour Government has to be better than what this Conservative Government is doing but the current opposition is now moving right of centre at an alarming rate despite appearing to have already held a large majority of electoral support (in the context of a first past the post system). Very disappointing really. | |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 22:15 - Dec 12 with 1576 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 22:01 - Dec 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I agree entirely. I initially took the view that any Labour Government has to be better than what this Conservative Government is doing but the current opposition is now moving right of centre at an alarming rate despite appearing to have already held a large majority of electoral support (in the context of a first past the post system). Very disappointing really. |
Yep. Darth’s probably salivating at the thought of all the ‘told you’ posts he’s got coming up!
There seems to be a bit of mental gymnastics going on to justify what Starmer’s doing in terms of simply winning the next election. I’m not so sure. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. We’ll see. Whatever the colour, competence would be an improvement. But ideally we need more than that. Something along the lines of the last manifesto under Corbyn is what a lot of people seem to want, ironically. | |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 22:58 - Dec 12 with 1529 views | factual_blue |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:26 - Dec 12 by BlueBadger |
Experts are at least as bad as being owned by the EU in the eyes of the Stupid Party. |
Between them, J S Mill and Iain Banks have the tories down to a tee. | |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 23:20 - Dec 12 with 1510 views | Churchman |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:26 - Dec 12 by BlueBadger |
Experts are at least as bad as being owned by the EU in the eyes of the Stupid Party. |
Yes, they are. Experts are annoying and inconvenient because they have a nasty habit of interfering with the sunlit uplands of blue sky thinking. Simple solutions spoiled by people that know more than they do. Inconvenient facts; the truth spoiling their 6th form debating and ‘solutions’.
You see, the Johnsons, Osbornes, JRMs and Cameron’s know best. 12 years will say otherwise, but for them, that’s the fault of experts, specialists, civil servants, the unions, media, EU, Putin, health professionals, JVT, Basil Brush and the bloke wandering about with the EU flag outside.
Experts? Pah! It’s up there with Trump enquiring about bleach as a Covid solution. | | | |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 23:23 - Dec 12 with 1507 views | jeera |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:39 - Dec 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Defund, demoralise, privatise.
I am sure they will look to rush through a raft of privatisations before their term ends. |
Just want to destroy everything don't they.
I've been waiting for some time to see a specialist and had a frank chat with a senior doctor on the phone today. She just kept apologising and was openly frustrated in the direction things have gone. Seems to be a running theme among professionals like her and her colleagues.
Said exactly the same as me in the conversation and it seems to be the accepted view the NHS is being deliberately run down. Many people think it's obvious and clear as day but there's plenty who join in pointing to its failures and nodding along without acknowledging the hows and whys. |  |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 08:26 - Dec 13 with 1253 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 22:15 - Dec 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep. Darth’s probably salivating at the thought of all the ‘told you’ posts he’s got coming up!
There seems to be a bit of mental gymnastics going on to justify what Starmer’s doing in terms of simply winning the next election. I’m not so sure. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. We’ll see. Whatever the colour, competence would be an improvement. But ideally we need more than that. Something along the lines of the last manifesto under Corbyn is what a lot of people seem to want, ironically. |
You’re spot on with the duck analogy. The only departure was when Starmer needed the member votes to be elected leader so then he did actually stand on the Corbyn manifesto from 2017. Making 10 pledges he has pretty much broken at the first available opportunity.
The man has neither moral principles nor progressive convictions. And the same goes for his trusted lieutenants in the cabinet and in the party bureaucracy.
But away from the game of politics and back in the real world, a changing of the right-wing guard won’t even face – let alone solve – the challenges facing the UK both domestically and globally.
The mental gymnastics will continue to be interesting to watch. As the establishment closes ranks and Starmer, Sunak and the white middle class pundits now coalesce around their own very similar self-interests and backers’ interests.
But overall it really is far too depressing. |  |
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 09:47 - Dec 13 with 1158 views | DJR |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 21:54 - Dec 12 by Swansea_Blue |
New Labour did too of course, following through (and accelerating) Tory plans for private finance of the NHS. Their PFI deals saddled us with huge amounts of overly expensive debt. But it did mean we could get treated and undoubtedly saved thousands of lives. Although I’m sure the same outcomes could have been achieved for less overall cost.
There’s a good summary of the PFI fiasco in the Independent of all places, for anyone who wasn’t around/paying attention at the time https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/pfi-banks-barclays-hsbc-rbs-tony-b It was like the world’s sh*tiest, most expensive mortgage.
The worry is that Starmer appears to be positioning New New Labour to the right of New Labour both economically and socially. It doesn’t bode well if they get in (although obviously would be preferable to the current bunch). |
PFI was designed to keep debt off the public sector balance sheet but it was a con. You say that it meant we could be treated and that it saved thousands of lives but the same result could have been achieved much more cheaply if the Government had borrowed the money to fund the capital projects, given how cheaply it can borrow.
I remember working in a government building in the mid-2000s where as well as the cost of financing the PFI deal, it cost £100 just to change a light bulb, when in the olden days there would have been a stock of light bulbs in the building.
Here is another good analysis, with the following quote from it being quite incredible.
"astonishingly, the NAO estimate that a hospital built using PFI would be 70% more expensive than a hospital built using public borrowing.
https://chpi.org.uk/blog/pfi-hands-tied-can-done/ [Post edited 13 Dec 2022 9:56]
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| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 09:51 - Dec 13 with 1143 views | DJR |
| Tories commission a report on the NHS and it ends up blaming them on 08:26 - Dec 13 by Darth_Koont |
You’re spot on with the duck analogy. The only departure was when Starmer needed the member votes to be elected leader so then he did actually stand on the Corbyn manifesto from 2017. Making 10 pledges he has pretty much broken at the first available opportunity.
The man has neither moral principles nor progressive convictions. And the same goes for his trusted lieutenants in the cabinet and in the party bureaucracy.
But away from the game of politics and back in the real world, a changing of the right-wing guard won’t even face – let alone solve – the challenges facing the UK both domestically and globally.
The mental gymnastics will continue to be interesting to watch. As the establishment closes ranks and Starmer, Sunak and the white middle class pundits now coalesce around their own very similar self-interests and backers’ interests.
But overall it really is far too depressing. |
I think that part of the issue is that Starmer has no political background or nous, so is really just being pushed around by his Blairite advisers. Whatever his failings, Blair did at least have a political vision. | | | |
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Although even he has been too verbose. ‘#ToryTvvats’ would have been enough (‘scuse French!).