| Situation has now changed massively 07:59 - Jan 22 with 3206 views | textbackup |
we basically need to win the next 6 from 6 to give us any hope to top 2, something we haven't done under this manager, or any other. and continue to win after that.
and hope the 2 above us now lose 3/4/5 games between now and the end of the season
our total focus should now be on "what the fck has gone wrong, and how the fck do we change this up so we dont fck the playoffs"
we've shot for the stars, and missed dramatically. our only hope is now a playoff battle against solid teams. we need to up our game tactically and physically if we are even to stand a chance. |  |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 08:02 - Jan 22 with 3161 views | ITFC_Forever |
We need to win games of football, it’s as simple as that.
However, it’s not something we do very much of for an allegedly promotion chasing side.
That events at The Valley at the end of October seems to have spooked the team and coaching staff, and when we take the lead, we look nervy - and given our consistent knack of conceding poor goals, justifiably so. |  |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 08:05 - Jan 22 with 3145 views | portmanking |
The first half of a season is a chance for teams to set their stall out and impose their style on opponents.
The second half of a season sees managers learn and adapt to counteract how teams play in the return fixture. It turns out, after soaking up all the plaudits, our system is all too easy for the better sides to stifle.
I still think back to McKenna's desperate comments after Lincoln about how hard its going to be to get us up. Football is a simple game at this level and I do worry we're making it too complex for ourselves, all too often looking for that perfect move or goal. |  | | |
| Situation has now changed massively on 08:32 - Jan 22 with 3004 views | Churchman |
| Situation has now changed massively on 08:05 - Jan 22 by portmanking |
The first half of a season is a chance for teams to set their stall out and impose their style on opponents.
The second half of a season sees managers learn and adapt to counteract how teams play in the return fixture. It turns out, after soaking up all the plaudits, our system is all too easy for the better sides to stifle.
I still think back to McKenna's desperate comments after Lincoln about how hard its going to be to get us up. Football is a simple game at this level and I do worry we're making it too complex for ourselves, all too often looking for that perfect move or goal. |
It’s not hard to get out of this rubbish division as Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday are amply proving - Plymouth with far less resources than ourselves. Coventry managed it a few seasons ago and they didn’t even have a ground!
The club is well organised, McKenna has been financially supported. There are no ‘ahh wells’, no maybes or excuses or whinging about bad luck or the weather. No place to hide.
It’s January and there’s an opportunity to salvage something from the season, but they need to improve (maybe one or two of the new players will help) flippin quickly if the season isn’t to dribble away as Portsmouth’s has. |  | | |
| Situation has now changed massively on 08:35 - Jan 22 with 2976 views | tractorboy1978 |
If we win the next 3 we are 100% guaranteed to be in a far better position than we are now. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 8:36]
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| Situation has now changed massively on 08:58 - Jan 22 with 2876 views | Guthrum |
We haven't yet 'missed dramatically'. It's only six games since we were last top (Plymouth have played seven in that time). Two draws and two losses is all that made the difference. It really isn't that much to claw back - so long as we can break this sequence and start winning on a regular basis again.
Neither SW nor Plym are going to pick up every single point between now and the end of the season. We just have to put ourselves in a position to capitalise when (not if) they slip up. |  |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:05 - Jan 22 with 2801 views | GlasgowBlue |
Not quite as dramatic as that. Wednesday have to play us and Plymouth in a seven day period. Lose to us and Plymouth and their lead is cut to one point. |  |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:27 - Jan 22 with 2683 views | Guthrum |
| Situation has now changed massively on 08:32 - Jan 22 by Churchman |
It’s not hard to get out of this rubbish division as Plymouth and Sheffield Wednesday are amply proving - Plymouth with far less resources than ourselves. Coventry managed it a few seasons ago and they didn’t even have a ground!
The club is well organised, McKenna has been financially supported. There are no ‘ahh wells’, no maybes or excuses or whinging about bad luck or the weather. No place to hide.
It’s January and there’s an opportunity to salvage something from the season, but they need to improve (maybe one or two of the new players will help) flippin quickly if the season isn’t to dribble away as Portsmouth’s has. |
Plymouth and SW's points totals are actually several higher than is normal for 1st and 2nd at this stage of the season, looking back over the last decade.
The averages for 22nd Jan between 2012 and 2022 (excluding Covid-affected 2021) are 55.6 for 1st and 53.8 for 2nd. 60 points has only been reached twice in that time (Carlton, 2012, Wigan, 2018). | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:30 - Jan 22 with 2651 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 08:58 - Jan 22 by Guthrum |
We haven't yet 'missed dramatically'. It's only six games since we were last top (Plymouth have played seven in that time). Two draws and two losses is all that made the difference. It really isn't that much to claw back - so long as we can break this sequence and start winning on a regular basis again.
Neither SW nor Plym are going to pick up every single point between now and the end of the season. We just have to put ourselves in a position to capitalise when (not if) they slip up. |
we need them to lose 3/4 games, and us better their results and some.... the top two dream is over. | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:32 - Jan 22 with 2639 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:05 - Jan 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Not quite as dramatic as that. Wednesday have to play us and Plymouth in a seven day period. Lose to us and Plymouth and their lead is cut to one point. |
did last season teach you nothing? when teams are winning relentlessly its near on impossible to catch them, no matter what we do.
top 2 is gone, focus needs to be on winning playoffs now | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:39 - Jan 22 with 2593 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:32 - Jan 22 by textbackup |
did last season teach you nothing? when teams are winning relentlessly its near on impossible to catch them, no matter what we do.
top 2 is gone, focus needs to be on winning playoffs now |
The difference between this season and last season is that we were needing the seven teams ahead of us to mess up. We were in 11th. We are looking to make up seven points on one of just two teams. One of those teams had to play us and the league leaders in a seven day period. | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:41 - Jan 22 with 2566 views | Guthrum |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:30 - Jan 22 by textbackup |
we need them to lose 3/4 games, and us better their results and some.... the top two dream is over. |
No. If we beat Wednesday and otherwise win two matches more than them over the rest of the season (even if SW draw those), we will be promoted automatically so long as we lose the same number or fewer. It's as close as that.
The "draw penalty" of losing two points out of the three is what's cost us. But could also be our rescue.
In any case, the best preparation for the playoffs will be getting the team to play well and with confidence. | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:46 - Jan 22 with 2504 views | Stewart27 |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:30 - Jan 22 by textbackup |
we need them to lose 3/4 games, and us better their results and some.... the top two dream is over. |
You’re understandably over reacting here. But it’s not over.
It can be and probably will be over in a month if we don’t gain ground on either of them.
But there are some huge fixtures in the next few weeks. We need to just simply take care of ourselves. If we win 4 on the trot then we’ll be back in the mix. Fact. Because Plymouth and/or Wednesday would have dropped points. If Plymouth don’t then Wednesday would have dropped at least 6. | | | |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:49 - Jan 22 with 2452 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:39 - Jan 22 by GlasgowBlue |
The difference between this season and last season is that we were needing the seven teams ahead of us to mess up. We were in 11th. We are looking to make up seven points on one of just two teams. One of those teams had to play us and the league leaders in a seven day period. |
i admire your optimism, and hope it works out as you say, personally i just dont see it at all | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:51 - Jan 22 with 2432 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:41 - Jan 22 by Guthrum |
No. If we beat Wednesday and otherwise win two matches more than them over the rest of the season (even if SW draw those), we will be promoted automatically so long as we lose the same number or fewer. It's as close as that.
The "draw penalty" of losing two points out of the three is what's cost us. But could also be our rescue.
In any case, the best preparation for the playoffs will be getting the team to play well and with confidence. |
yeah as i said, we need to spend 19 games IMO planning for them. take confidence into them with us, confident we can hold tight at the back, and not be wasteful in attack | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:53 - Jan 22 with 2402 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:46 - Jan 22 by Stewart27 |
You’re understandably over reacting here. But it’s not over.
It can be and probably will be over in a month if we don’t gain ground on either of them.
But there are some huge fixtures in the next few weeks. We need to just simply take care of ourselves. If we win 4 on the trot then we’ll be back in the mix. Fact. Because Plymouth and/or Wednesday would have dropped points. If Plymouth don’t then Wednesday would have dropped at least 6. |
i hope it happens in this way, but it wont. i'm getting myself geared up for the PO.
Not necessarily in a negative way, but we are in a sht run, and that doesnt just change overnight. we might win the next two, but we won beat wednesday. they'll know a draw is enough, same as plymouth did. and they'll let us have the ball for 85mins knowing we dont know how to put the ball in the net | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 09:56 - Jan 22 with 2382 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:32 - Jan 22 by textbackup |
did last season teach you nothing? when teams are winning relentlessly its near on impossible to catch them, no matter what we do.
top 2 is gone, focus needs to be on winning playoffs now |
If we beat Cambridge and Morecambe and Plymouth lose away at Sheff Wed we are 4 points behind them. Bit premature to say 'top 2 is done'. Ditto if Plymouth beat Wednesday we are 4 behind them (playing them next). Or if they draw we get 2 points closer to both.
We need to get better fast but the top 2 will drop points, you can guarantee it. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:01]
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| Situation has now changed massively on 10:12 - Jan 22 with 2267 views | chicoazul |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:05 - Jan 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Not quite as dramatic as that. Wednesday have to play us and Plymouth in a seven day period. Lose to us and Plymouth and their lead is cut to one point. |
Seriously do you see any form of reality in which we beat Sheff Weds? Any whatsoever?
People (not you luv) talk about inconsistency. We are not inconsistent. We are exactly the same as what we have been for years; melts, flat track bullies, incapable of beating the best teams or winning the tough games. Front up to Ipswich and you will take at least a point. Every manager worked this out after Charlton and Cheltenham. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:14]
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| Situation has now changed massively on 10:27 - Jan 22 with 2182 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:56 - Jan 22 by tractorboy1978 |
If we beat Cambridge and Morecambe and Plymouth lose away at Sheff Wed we are 4 points behind them. Bit premature to say 'top 2 is done'. Ditto if Plymouth beat Wednesday we are 4 behind them (playing them next). Or if they draw we get 2 points closer to both.
We need to get better fast but the top 2 will drop points, you can guarantee it. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:01]
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| Situation has now changed massively on 10:29 - Jan 22 with 2162 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Situation has now changed massively on 10:27 - Jan 22 by textbackup |
can also guarantee we won make up enough points to capitalise on them dropping points |
That's the spirit. What has happened to you recently? You've become a proper pessimist! | | | |
| Situation has now changed massively on 10:30 - Jan 22 with 2156 views | positivity |
| Situation has now changed massively on 10:12 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
Seriously do you see any form of reality in which we beat Sheff Weds? Any whatsoever?
People (not you luv) talk about inconsistency. We are not inconsistent. We are exactly the same as what we have been for years; melts, flat track bullies, incapable of beating the best teams or winning the tough games. Front up to Ipswich and you will take at least a point. Every manager worked this out after Charlton and Cheltenham. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:14]
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fleetwood went close yesterday, away from home.
we're better than fleetwood, it's not as totally impossible as you seem to think | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 13:13 - Jan 22 with 1887 views | billlm |
| Situation has now changed massively on 09:41 - Jan 22 by Guthrum |
No. If we beat Wednesday and otherwise win two matches more than them over the rest of the season (even if SW draw those), we will be promoted automatically so long as we lose the same number or fewer. It's as close as that.
The "draw penalty" of losing two points out of the three is what's cost us. But could also be our rescue.
In any case, the best preparation for the playoffs will be getting the team to play well and with confidence. |
Your last paragraph is the way I'm thinking, |  | | |
| Situation has now changed massively on 14:17 - Jan 22 with 1715 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Situation has now changed massively on 10:12 - Jan 22 by chicoazul |
Seriously do you see any form of reality in which we beat Sheff Weds? Any whatsoever?
People (not you luv) talk about inconsistency. We are not inconsistent. We are exactly the same as what we have been for years; melts, flat track bullies, incapable of beating the best teams or winning the tough games. Front up to Ipswich and you will take at least a point. Every manager worked this out after Charlton and Cheltenham. [Post edited 22 Jan 2023 10:14]
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Of course we can beat them. They are not Barcelona Chico. They are a decent League one team who have spent the best kart if this season behind us in the league but who have now gone a couple of wins and a draw above us. | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 14:29 - Jan 22 with 1654 views | PioneerBlue |
| Situation has now changed massively on 08:05 - Jan 22 by portmanking |
The first half of a season is a chance for teams to set their stall out and impose their style on opponents.
The second half of a season sees managers learn and adapt to counteract how teams play in the return fixture. It turns out, after soaking up all the plaudits, our system is all too easy for the better sides to stifle.
I still think back to McKenna's desperate comments after Lincoln about how hard its going to be to get us up. Football is a simple game at this level and I do worry we're making it too complex for ourselves, all too often looking for that perfect move or goal. |
I agree with 75% possibly more of what you have written, I’m not on board with the making it overly complex. Break it down, what does in uncomplicated football look like? Straight balls into box? Less control more end to end and more fluid both at attacking end and defending end? If anything for me KMcK didn’t and does have the players for a SW type uncomplicated game. I think more variation in mid and final third and a few more risks in open play could be the difference. I also think this isn’t a wholesale change it’s in game management and players making good decisions at key times. That may sound theoretical or complicated but we have the coaching and players following the window to crack this with a bit more freedom. | |
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| Situation has now changed massively on 15:22 - Jan 22 with 1465 views | textbackup |
| Situation has now changed massively on 10:29 - Jan 22 by tractorboy1978 |
That's the spirit. What has happened to you recently? You've become a proper pessimist! |
probably the last 11 games have had some impact to why i'm feeling like that.
Played 11
Won 3
Drawn 6
Lost 2
by all means see the positives if you want, but i cant. | |
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