| Andrew Malkinson 11:35 - Aug 16 with 1713 views | LeoMuff |
Surely this poor chap has civil court recourse against the justice service considering its now come out the evidence to free him was discussed and available in 2009, but not acted upon ?
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| Andrew Malkinson on 12:38 - Aug 16 with 1624 views | GeoffSentence |
Shocking what happened to him, worse that they knew there was evidence that would acquit him and didn't act on it, and staggering that they want him to pay for his accomodation and meals for the time he was in jail. |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 14:07 - Aug 16 with 1547 views | DJR |
| Andrew Malkinson on 12:38 - Aug 16 by GeoffSentence |
Shocking what happened to him, worse that they knew there was evidence that would acquit him and didn't act on it, and staggering that they want him to pay for his accomodation and meals for the time he was in jail. |
There are parallels with other areas.
If you stay in hospital for 28 days or more, certain disability benefits are stopped.
And if you receive compensation for personal injury, the DWP will recover any injury-related benefit you received as a result of the injury. |  | | |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:24 - Aug 16 with 1522 views | GeoffSentence |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:07 - Aug 16 by DJR |
There are parallels with other areas.
If you stay in hospital for 28 days or more, certain disability benefits are stopped.
And if you receive compensation for personal injury, the DWP will recover any injury-related benefit you received as a result of the injury. |
Neither of those is remotely similar to being made to pay the cost of your own wrongful imprisonment. | |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 14:30 - Aug 16 with 1488 views | usm |
Agreed.
There should be complete and utter outrage at this but that does not seem to be the case. I find the whole thing odd.
I wonder if there is something we dont know. 🤷♂️ |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 15:22 - Aug 16 with 1422 views | Ryorry |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:30 - Aug 16 by usm |
Agreed.
There should be complete and utter outrage at this but that does not seem to be the case. I find the whole thing odd.
I wonder if there is something we dont know. 🤷♂️ |
It clearly stank from the off, made me wonder what prejudice/bigotry the police/judicial system had against him. |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 15:35 - Aug 16 with 1390 views | DJR |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:24 - Aug 16 by GeoffSentence |
Neither of those is remotely similar to being made to pay the cost of your own wrongful imprisonment. |
They are at different points on the scale but I would argue that the same philosophy (cost-saving and clawing back something from people who have suffered misfortune) underlines them all. | | | |
| Andrew Malkinson on 15:36 - Aug 16 with 1388 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:30 - Aug 16 by usm |
Agreed.
There should be complete and utter outrage at this but that does not seem to be the case. I find the whole thing odd.
I wonder if there is something we dont know. 🤷♂️ |
Why should there have to be something we don't know to justify this horrendous miscarriage of justice? It is clear that the action to clear him should have been taken a long time ago and wasn't.
Are you suggesting he is actually guilty? Why? Why do you think someone has acted on the unequivocal evidence to clear him now if your wild imaginings are correct? Unless I have misunderstood your comment entirely it is as disgraceful as the people who decided to suppress the DNA evidence when it first came to light. |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 15:42 - Aug 16 with 1373 views | Pinewoodblue |
I know it is usual to blame all these things that go ‘wrong’ on the government but didn’t we have a Labour government in 2009 and wasn’t Sir Kier DPP?
Presumably he was responsible for the decision not to do anything. |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 15:46 - Aug 16 with 1372 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Andrew Malkinson on 15:42 - Aug 16 by Pinewoodblue |
I know it is usual to blame all these things that go ‘wrong’ on the government but didn’t we have a Labour government in 2009 and wasn’t Sir Kier DPP?
Presumably he was responsible for the decision not to do anything. |
He was so ultimately he is responsible but did the evidence get as far as him to make the decision or was it suppressed at a lower level? I am sure that if it was Starmer's call, the media will be all over that as soon as they know. | |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 17:17 - Aug 16 with 1326 views | HARRY10 |
| Andrew Malkinson on 15:46 - Aug 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He was so ultimately he is responsible but did the evidence get as far as him to make the decision or was it suppressed at a lower level? I am sure that if it was Starmer's call, the media will be all over that as soon as they know. |
It was so much suppressed as ignored. In 2009 it was looked at by cold case, police etc and agreed no further action should be taken.
Subsequent reviews stated that among other considerations was the cost. Though not the cost to this chap, it would seem.
For those who want a more in depth read
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/15/police-and-cps-had-key-dna-evide |  | | |
| Andrew Malkinson on 18:05 - Aug 16 with 1281 views | bluelagos |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:30 - Aug 16 by usm |
Agreed.
There should be complete and utter outrage at this but that does not seem to be the case. I find the whole thing odd.
I wonder if there is something we dont know. 🤷♂️ |
That's a ridiculous comment and one that seeks to smear the guy without any basis in fact or/evidence.
The reason there is not more utter outrage is simply because the idea that the police/cps/establishment would intentionally see an innocent person stay in jail, rather than fess up to their own botched investigation/prosecution is quite simply not all that shocking.
The police have a long track record of putting innocent people behind bars. They are made up of ordinary people and so will have failings like every other walk of life.
Those who knew he was innocent and then failed to act put their own reputations and those of the police/cps ahead of the cause of justice. They should have no place working within our justice system but of course we all know that sfa will come of it.
Holding people to account for their failings/actions that result in miscarriages of justice...yeah ok. |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 18:34 - Aug 16 with 1227 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Andrew Malkinson on 18:05 - Aug 16 by bluelagos |
That's a ridiculous comment and one that seeks to smear the guy without any basis in fact or/evidence.
The reason there is not more utter outrage is simply because the idea that the police/cps/establishment would intentionally see an innocent person stay in jail, rather than fess up to their own botched investigation/prosecution is quite simply not all that shocking.
The police have a long track record of putting innocent people behind bars. They are made up of ordinary people and so will have failings like every other walk of life.
Those who knew he was innocent and then failed to act put their own reputations and those of the police/cps ahead of the cause of justice. They should have no place working within our justice system but of course we all know that sfa will come of it.
Holding people to account for their failings/actions that result in miscarriages of justice...yeah ok. |
Miscarriages are often swept under the carpet as to admit a mistake is seen as a weakness, irrespective of the party in power. | |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 18:50 - Aug 16 with 1153 views | HARRY10 |
| Andrew Malkinson on 15:46 - Aug 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He was so ultimately he is responsible but did the evidence get as far as him to make the decision or was it suppressed at a lower level? I am sure that if it was Starmer's call, the media will be all over that as soon as they know. |
I don't think Starmer was responsible for making any phone calls. It appears that a routine check on the case in 2009 resulted in no further action. Maybe Starmer phoned in then,
Whether it was a political decision after 2010 it's not known at this time. I would doubt it though.
However, there should not be a long drawn out enquiry. The case should have the same emergency as given to it as any ongoing rape trial.
There is no need for lengthy investigation. Just an explanations to who made the decision, then why.
Phone hacking compensation has led to millions in compensation. Will we see the same here ?
As to the idiot comment about stuff not being known. That is due to a 'cover up'. Something that I suspect will be attempted here
Innocent until proven guilty. Inocent when found innocent, or not as it would seem. | | | |
| Andrew Malkinson on 20:52 - Aug 16 with 1102 views | Ryorry |
| Andrew Malkinson on 18:05 - Aug 16 by bluelagos |
That's a ridiculous comment and one that seeks to smear the guy without any basis in fact or/evidence.
The reason there is not more utter outrage is simply because the idea that the police/cps/establishment would intentionally see an innocent person stay in jail, rather than fess up to their own botched investigation/prosecution is quite simply not all that shocking.
The police have a long track record of putting innocent people behind bars. They are made up of ordinary people and so will have failings like every other walk of life.
Those who knew he was innocent and then failed to act put their own reputations and those of the police/cps ahead of the cause of justice. They should have no place working within our justice system but of course we all know that sfa will come of it.
Holding people to account for their failings/actions that result in miscarriages of justice...yeah ok. |
When you look at the evidence in this Guardian article re the "deep scratch", It was an unsafe conviction right from the get-go.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/aug/15/dna-and-injustice-a-timeline-of-the-
"2003 - A 33-year-old woman is raped and left for dead on a motorway embankment in Salford as she walks home. She recalls causing a deep scratch to her attacker’s face. Andrew Malkinson is visited by police officers the next day who see he has no scratch. He is arrested two weeks later and then picked out of a video lineup | |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 20:52 - Aug 16 with 1103 views | BlueBadger |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:24 - Aug 16 by GeoffSentence |
Neither of those is remotely similar to being made to pay the cost of your own wrongful imprisonment. |
They are all, however, life changing events which will have a drastic event on your ability to manage independently possibly for your entire life though. [Post edited 16 Aug 2023 20:56]
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| Andrew Malkinson on 20:55 - Aug 16 with 1098 views | Swansea_Blue |
That’s a frightening level of incompetence and f*** ups. Even his lawyer knew of the mismatched DNA and still nothing happened.
He seems remarkably forgiving about it all given what his been through. I’d struggle to be polite after all that. |  |
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| Andrew Malkinson on 22:02 - Aug 16 with 1043 views | BlueBadger |
| Andrew Malkinson on 14:30 - Aug 16 by usm |
Agreed.
There should be complete and utter outrage at this but that does not seem to be the case. I find the whole thing odd.
I wonder if there is something we dont know. 🤷♂️ |
There was a DNA evidence essentially proving that it wasn't him that was withheld. | |
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