| No deduction for Leicester 19:56 - Sep 3 with 4170 views | Swailsey |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 20:00 - Sep 3 with 4105 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I haven't seen the detail but wasn't their argument to do with being under different rules in different seasons? Presumably that means the PL can now average their PL seasons alone and the EFL their EFL seasons alone? Does that simply kick the problem down the road and potentially leave them will the double whammy of a points deduction leading to relegation next season (assuming they do stay up this one) and another one the following one in the Championship?
Ultimately, it is mad that the Premier League and the EFL can't foresee this issue and find a way to set some common rules that work with promoted and relegated clubs. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 21:18 - Sep 3 with 3739 views | Illinoisblue |
This decision gives ZERO confidence that Man City will get punished for their cheating. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 21:39 - Sep 3 with 3634 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Might as well bin off FFP and PSR, it’s an utter farce. That there are different rules across all the divisions is ridiculous.
How is Birmingham spending over 25m in the third tier in any way sustainable or responsible. Fortunately FFP has stopped any clubs going out of business…oh wait… |  | | |
| No deduction for Leicester on 21:41 - Sep 3 with 3605 views | Help |
Basically they were not in the Prem so prem rules don't apply when in the Champ.
Because they sold players before the deadline in 2024 they complied with the EFL rules as well for that year. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 22:55 - Sep 3 with 3375 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 20:00 - Sep 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I haven't seen the detail but wasn't their argument to do with being under different rules in different seasons? Presumably that means the PL can now average their PL seasons alone and the EFL their EFL seasons alone? Does that simply kick the problem down the road and potentially leave them will the double whammy of a points deduction leading to relegation next season (assuming they do stay up this one) and another one the following one in the Championship?
Ultimately, it is mad that the Premier League and the EFL can't foresee this issue and find a way to set some common rules that work with promoted and relegated clubs. |
Yes - that does complicate matters, especially when teams move from one body's jurisdiction to another's (and possibly back again).
One solution could be to have a definitive English football arbiter, who would write the rules and police them.
I propose such a body be called, errrm, the Football Association or something. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 04:07 - Sep 4 with 3121 views | Mercian |
By the letter of the law the decision was correct. That was Leicester's argument and although I am pi***d off about it they rightly won the case.
The rules need to clarified. |  | | |
| No deduction for Leicester on 04:46 - Sep 4 with 3099 views | MK1 |
| No deduction for Leicester on 21:18 - Sep 3 by Illinoisblue |
This decision gives ZERO confidence that Man City will get punished for their cheating. |
Man City haven't been relegated in the last 3 years, although most of the charges against then are not to do with PSR but other payment made to agents etc. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 05:01 - Sep 4 with 3074 views | Mercian |
| No deduction for Leicester on 04:46 - Sep 4 by MK1 |
Man City haven't been relegated in the last 3 years, although most of the charges against then are not to do with PSR but other payment made to agents etc. |
They will probably still get away with it. The Premier League and FA do not have the balls of the Italian football authorities who relegated their two biggest clubs in Juventus and AC Milan for gross misconduct or The Scottish FA with Rangers. I can't see that happening in England. | | | |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 05:14 - Sep 4 with 3042 views | MK1 |
| No deduction for Leicester on 05:01 - Sep 4 by Mercian |
They will probably still get away with it. The Premier League and FA do not have the balls of the Italian football authorities who relegated their two biggest clubs in Juventus and AC Milan for gross misconduct or The Scottish FA with Rangers. I can't see that happening in England. |
All I know is that Man City have something like 115 charges against them, no idea what those charges are. I have read that some are for payments to agents etc, but until all the charges are announced, I wouldn't like to speculate to much. | |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 06:21 - Sep 4 with 2914 views | ibbleobble |
What a farce. I hope the appeal works. If f you spend the money (make the losses) in the PL, hence breaking the rules in the PL, it shouldn’t matter whether you’re successful or unsuccessful and when the accounts are filed if the expenditure was accrued in the PL.
It’s so basic to look the filings and not trace the decision making that leads to the loss making. FFP needs to be far more forensic if it’s to have any credibility. [Post edited 4 Sep 2024 6:22]
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| No deduction for Leicester on 07:33 - Sep 4 with 2727 views | ArnieM |
Good old fashioned loophole been exploited thdn. Leicester broke domd financial rules ( AGAIN) and have got away with it AGAIN.
Football may as well tear up the financial rules book because it's rarely applied and certainly not to the biggest abusers! Waste of time. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 10:54 - Sep 4 with 2468 views | Radlett_blue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 06:21 - Sep 4 by ibbleobble |
What a farce. I hope the appeal works. If f you spend the money (make the losses) in the PL, hence breaking the rules in the PL, it shouldn’t matter whether you’re successful or unsuccessful and when the accounts are filed if the expenditure was accrued in the PL.
It’s so basic to look the filings and not trace the decision making that leads to the loss making. FFP needs to be far more forensic if it’s to have any credibility. [Post edited 4 Sep 2024 6:22]
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This regulatory problem has been around ever since the PL broke away from the FL. It means you can break FFP as much as you like when in the Championship for as long as you get promoted, then the FL can't touch you until you get relegated back.
Some form of financial restrictions on football clubs make sense, but they are too easy to circumvent. The simplification I have in mind is a wage cap, including all payments to players including signing on fees. This must be no more than a fixed percentage of your match day & broadcast income. Obviously, it would be opposed by the PFA etc. The current rules are far too easy to circumvent by using dubious accounting. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 11:08 - Sep 4 with 2411 views | BseaBlue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 10:54 - Sep 4 by Radlett_blue |
This regulatory problem has been around ever since the PL broke away from the FL. It means you can break FFP as much as you like when in the Championship for as long as you get promoted, then the FL can't touch you until you get relegated back.
Some form of financial restrictions on football clubs make sense, but they are too easy to circumvent. The simplification I have in mind is a wage cap, including all payments to players including signing on fees. This must be no more than a fixed percentage of your match day & broadcast income. Obviously, it would be opposed by the PFA etc. The current rules are far too easy to circumvent by using dubious accounting. |
And the biggest issues that it is causing is that the big four can work their way around it whilst all the other clubs are left behind. PSR and FFP is causing serious problems whereby the divide between divisions is only getting bigger, making the Premier League a closed shop.
You may as well just scrap the rules and let teams do as they wish as it is farcical at the moment anyway with too many clubs just working round them.
As a side note to this, I do wonder how much we might have spent had we not been hamstrung by the rules! |  | | |
| No deduction for Leicester on 11:24 - Sep 4 with 2344 views | bournemouthblue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 20:00 - Sep 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I haven't seen the detail but wasn't their argument to do with being under different rules in different seasons? Presumably that means the PL can now average their PL seasons alone and the EFL their EFL seasons alone? Does that simply kick the problem down the road and potentially leave them will the double whammy of a points deduction leading to relegation next season (assuming they do stay up this one) and another one the following one in the Championship?
Ultimately, it is mad that the Premier League and the EFL can't foresee this issue and find a way to set some common rules that work with promoted and relegated clubs. |
I can't believe it's a loop hole that has crept in there, how did they not envisage such a situation before? |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 11:25 - Sep 4 with 2333 views | bournemouthblue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 21:39 - Sep 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Might as well bin off FFP and PSR, it’s an utter farce. That there are different rules across all the divisions is ridiculous.
How is Birmingham spending over 25m in the third tier in any way sustainable or responsible. Fortunately FFP has stopped any clubs going out of business…oh wait… |
I don't know the Brum situation, have they made player sales? | |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 11:26 - Sep 4 with 2328 views | bournemouthblue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 22:55 - Sep 3 by BasingstokeBlue |
Yes - that does complicate matters, especially when teams move from one body's jurisdiction to another's (and possibly back again).
One solution could be to have a definitive English football arbiter, who would write the rules and police them.
I propose such a body be called, errrm, the Football Association or something. |
Isn't that what they are looking to do? | |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 11:29 - Sep 4 with 2294 views | bournemouthblue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 05:01 - Sep 4 by Mercian |
They will probably still get away with it. The Premier League and FA do not have the balls of the Italian football authorities who relegated their two biggest clubs in Juventus and AC Milan for gross misconduct or The Scottish FA with Rangers. I can't see that happening in England. |
A singular relegation for City wouldn't be much of a punishment, they'd bounce back in a season and essentially reduce the promotion spots to Championship teams
I've no doubt if they are harsh on City, another club will fill their void | |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 11:44 - Sep 4 with 2247 views | Pinewoodblue |
Link to LCFC statement, which contains a link to the full judgement.
https://www.lcfc.com/?lang=en
Basically knowing they were in breach of the rules and at risk of relegation a few weeks before the end of the season they changed their accounting period so it ended after they were no longer a Premier League member.
WHO WAS IT SAID CHEATS NEVER PROSPER. No doubt Manchester City will escape punishment to. |  |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 13:44 - Sep 4 with 2049 views | Vaughan8 |
| No deduction for Leicester on 11:44 - Sep 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Link to LCFC statement, which contains a link to the full judgement.
https://www.lcfc.com/?lang=en
Basically knowing they were in breach of the rules and at risk of relegation a few weeks before the end of the season they changed their accounting period so it ended after they were no longer a Premier League member.
WHO WAS IT SAID CHEATS NEVER PROSPER. No doubt Manchester City will escape punishment to. |
It's amazing a simple admin adjustment saves you punishment as technically done nothing wrong.
The date was changed on 24th April so as you've said, they've clearly known by then what the situation was.
" It is not suggested that there was anything untoward in its changing
its accounting reference date." haha | | | |
| No deduction for Leicester on 13:47 - Sep 4 with 2036 views | Kievthegreat |
| No deduction for Leicester on 11:44 - Sep 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Link to LCFC statement, which contains a link to the full judgement.
https://www.lcfc.com/?lang=en
Basically knowing they were in breach of the rules and at risk of relegation a few weeks before the end of the season they changed their accounting period so it ended after they were no longer a Premier League member.
WHO WAS IT SAID CHEATS NEVER PROSPER. No doubt Manchester City will escape punishment to. |
Will it come back round the other way now though? If they submitted their accounts on the 30th June this year, then they've already submitted accounts as a premier league club? |  | | |
| No deduction for Leicester on 15:40 - Sep 4 with 1855 views | Pinewoodblue |
| No deduction for Leicester on 13:47 - Sep 4 by Kievthegreat |
Will it come back round the other way now though? If they submitted their accounts on the 30th June this year, then they've already submitted accounts as a premier league club? |
Account up to end of June this year don't have to be submitted until sometime next year. | |
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| No deduction for Leicester on 16:00 - Sep 4 with 1800 views | Kievthegreat |
| No deduction for Leicester on 15:40 - Sep 4 by Pinewoodblue |
Account up to end of June this year don't have to be submitted until sometime next year. |
Yeah I'm confusing submission date with the financial year end dates. | | | |
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