| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:35 - Jun 6 with 5319 views | DoobDude |
We need to come to an understanding with the king of Sealand and then we can send them all to his oil rig. Be like our very own Guantanamo Bay. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:36 - Jun 6 with 5320 views | BlueNomad |
Not that internment has ever been a successful recruitment sergeant for terrorists in the past.................................................. |  | | |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:37 - Jun 6 with 5316 views | Swansea_Blue |
He seems to be talking himself into knots.
"There is an option for British citizens who are strongly suspected by the intelligence services of being involved in terrorism but who we can not put in front of a court because we don't have sufficient evidence to put before a court, and that is internment, which we had in Northern Ireland."
New legislation is needed before the introduction of interment, Col Kemp stressed. "The intelligence services would have to produce evidence, the state would have to endorse it and judges would have to approve the measures," he said
Let's just work harder to get the evidence shall we and then we can ensure they are properly dealt with through the right channels.
He's also suggesting a major part of the problem is foreign terrorists, but haven't all the attacks been undertaken by Brits? |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:40 - Jun 6 with 5302 views | blue_oyster |
The campaign to remove people's rights under the pretext of terrorism continues. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:41 - Jun 6 with 5291 views | Darth_Koont |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:37 - Jun 6 by Swansea_Blue |
He seems to be talking himself into knots.
"There is an option for British citizens who are strongly suspected by the intelligence services of being involved in terrorism but who we can not put in front of a court because we don't have sufficient evidence to put before a court, and that is internment, which we had in Northern Ireland."
New legislation is needed before the introduction of interment, Col Kemp stressed. "The intelligence services would have to produce evidence, the state would have to endorse it and judges would have to approve the measures," he said
Let's just work harder to get the evidence shall we and then we can ensure they are properly dealt with through the right channels.
He's also suggesting a major part of the problem is foreign terrorists, but haven't all the attacks been undertaken by Brits? |
To be fair, he hasn't been involved since 2006 so probably basing it on Al Qaeda's MO rather than the current development of home-grown terrorists.
What sort of evidence can you act on when the current plots can consist of hiring a car or going to B&Q for a kitchen knife?
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 14:42 - Jun 6 with 5199 views | The_Last_Baron |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:37 - Jun 6 by Swansea_Blue |
He seems to be talking himself into knots.
"There is an option for British citizens who are strongly suspected by the intelligence services of being involved in terrorism but who we can not put in front of a court because we don't have sufficient evidence to put before a court, and that is internment, which we had in Northern Ireland."
New legislation is needed before the introduction of interment, Col Kemp stressed. "The intelligence services would have to produce evidence, the state would have to endorse it and judges would have to approve the measures," he said
Let's just work harder to get the evidence shall we and then we can ensure they are properly dealt with through the right channels.
He's also suggesting a major part of the problem is foreign terrorists, but haven't all the attacks been undertaken by Brits? |
No. Third jihadi involved in London Bridge attack a Moroccan - he'd been picked up by Italian police before so he was known - why was he allowed into the UK? Second was a Moroccan who came to UK in around 2005 before heading off to Dublin for a few years . First one came here from Pakistan when he was young. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:16 - Jun 6 with 5169 views | Darth_Koont |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:37 - Jun 6 by Swansea_Blue |
He seems to be talking himself into knots.
"There is an option for British citizens who are strongly suspected by the intelligence services of being involved in terrorism but who we can not put in front of a court because we don't have sufficient evidence to put before a court, and that is internment, which we had in Northern Ireland."
New legislation is needed before the introduction of interment, Col Kemp stressed. "The intelligence services would have to produce evidence, the state would have to endorse it and judges would have to approve the measures," he said
Let's just work harder to get the evidence shall we and then we can ensure they are properly dealt with through the right channels.
He's also suggesting a major part of the problem is foreign terrorists, but haven't all the attacks been undertaken by Brits? |
There's also this re: internment. I missed his quote first time as it wasn't taken from the article but sitting outside it.
"It wasn't successful in Northern Ireland. It was counterproductive in Northern Ireland but we can do it in a different way than we did it in Northern Ireland and make sure it is both productive and effective."
No details on how it can or will work better ... I now fully expect to see Kemp part of May's counter-terrorism team in the near future. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 15:23]
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:26 - Jun 6 with 5129 views | imsureazzure |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:16 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont |
There's also this re: internment. I missed his quote first time as it wasn't taken from the article but sitting outside it.
"It wasn't successful in Northern Ireland. It was counterproductive in Northern Ireland but we can do it in a different way than we did it in Northern Ireland and make sure it is both productive and effective."
No details on how it can or will work better ... I now fully expect to see Kemp part of May's counter-terrorism team in the near future. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 15:23]
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Experts hey, who needs them. |  | | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:45 - Jun 6 with 5110 views | Darth_Koont |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:26 - Jun 6 by imsureazzure |
Experts hey, who needs them. |
I did some reading up on him.
He's a military counter-terrorism expert with most expertise form overseas and last actively involved 11 years ago. Now, I'm sure that he has much relevant input but how to best manage domestic counter-terrorism (and more importantly reducing the overall threat) against the current breed of recruits may not be the best. Also his domestic internment approach failed in Northern Ireland - not to mention the solution there wasn't even internment it turns out.
I say 100% trust the experts, but a narrow expert needs to be balanced with other expert viewpoints or we get crap "solutions". That's the scientific and logical approach anyway. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:51 - Jun 6 with 5098 views | bluelou |
You're seriously advocating jailing British citizens; without trial, for thought crimes?
Even Colonel Kemp says it didn't work in Northern Ireland but somehow it just might this time. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:56 - Jun 6 with 5084 views | The_Last_Baron |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:45 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont |
I did some reading up on him.
He's a military counter-terrorism expert with most expertise form overseas and last actively involved 11 years ago. Now, I'm sure that he has much relevant input but how to best manage domestic counter-terrorism (and more importantly reducing the overall threat) against the current breed of recruits may not be the best. Also his domestic internment approach failed in Northern Ireland - not to mention the solution there wasn't even internment it turns out.
I say 100% trust the experts, but a narrow expert needs to be balanced with other expert viewpoints or we get crap "solutions". That's the scientific and logical approach anyway. |
Internment did not work in Northern Ireland for the following reasons:
Many of the people picked up were old IRA members from the 1940s or their campaign from 1956-62. Most of the young main players were not picked up. This was down to lack of intelligence at the time.
Few loyalist terrorists were interned.
I'm not 100% convinced on using internment with today's situation, however we need new, tough legislation to deal with Islamic extremists in the country. Flying of the black flag should become a criminal offence, there are many extremists organisations which should be banned and membership or association with made a criminal offence, enforce strict border controls, revoke citizenship of anyone going to fight abroad for IS - they simply are never allowed back in the country, deport foreign nationals or people with dual nationality who are on the security services watch list - there's lots which can be done which currently isn't been done. If things continue on the current path, sooner of later there will be serious civil strife in the UK. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:00 - Jun 6 with 5077 views | The_Last_Baron |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:45 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont |
I did some reading up on him.
He's a military counter-terrorism expert with most expertise form overseas and last actively involved 11 years ago. Now, I'm sure that he has much relevant input but how to best manage domestic counter-terrorism (and more importantly reducing the overall threat) against the current breed of recruits may not be the best. Also his domestic internment approach failed in Northern Ireland - not to mention the solution there wasn't even internment it turns out.
I say 100% trust the experts, but a narrow expert needs to be balanced with other expert viewpoints or we get crap "solutions". That's the scientific and logical approach anyway. |
Colonel Kemp is a true British patriot and a great man. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:06 - Jun 6 with 5068 views | taximan |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:51 - Jun 6 by bluelou |
You're seriously advocating jailing British citizens; without trial, for thought crimes?
Even Colonel Kemp says it didn't work in Northern Ireland but somehow it just might this time. |
much better to let them do as they please
they might kill a few innocents, but hey ho, thats a chance worth taking innit | | | |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:09 - Jun 6 with 5058 views | Darth_Koont |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:06 - Jun 6 by taximan |
much better to let them do as they please
they might kill a few innocents, but hey ho, thats a chance worth taking innit |
Why can't you handle a debate on this? That's not what bluelou said at all, but you shut everything down at the first challenge. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:09 - Jun 6 with 5055 views | eireblue |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:06 - Jun 6 by taximan |
much better to let them do as they please
they might kill a few innocents, but hey ho, thats a chance worth taking innit |
Sigh, it is a shame those are the only two options.
Only Harry Hill will be able to resolve this dilemma. |  | | |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:10 - Jun 6 with 5041 views | GlasgowBlue |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:51 - Jun 6 by bluelou |
You're seriously advocating jailing British citizens; without trial, for thought crimes?
Even Colonel Kemp says it didn't work in Northern Ireland but somehow it just might this time. |
Somebody made a very good point last week. I wish I could remember who it was.
His point was that we jail people for viewing kiddie porn even though they haven't carried out any sexual acts on children. We should therefore jail people who visit Jihadi websites even though they haven't carried out a terrorist attack. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:41 - Jun 6 with 5007 views | Darth_Koont |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:00 - Jun 6 by The_Last_Baron |
Colonel Kemp is a true British patriot and a great man. |
May well be. But that doesn't get us anywhere near a solution. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:57 - Jun 6 with 4991 views | taximan |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:10 - Jun 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Somebody made a very good point last week. I wish I could remember who it was.
His point was that we jail people for viewing kiddie porn even though they haven't carried out any sexual acts on children. We should therefore jail people who visit Jihadi websites even though they haven't carried out a terrorist attack. |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 17:01 - Jun 6 with 4986 views | J2BLUE |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 12:35 - Jun 6 by DoobDude |
We need to come to an understanding with the king of Sealand and then we can send them all to his oil rig. Be like our very own Guantanamo Bay. |
I have always thought TWTD should invade Sealand. We have the numbers.
Phil and Gav could be Lord and Lady. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 17:44 - Jun 6 with 4956 views | bluelou |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:10 - Jun 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Somebody made a very good point last week. I wish I could remember who it was.
His point was that we jail people for viewing kiddie porn even though they haven't carried out any sexual acts on children. We should therefore jail people who visit Jihadi websites even though they haven't carried out a terrorist attack. |
It seems a fair point except that one is currently illegal and would therefore involve a evidence of a crime and prosecution in court and one is not yet currently illegal. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 17:45 - Jun 6 with 4956 views | vapour_trail |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:10 - Jun 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Somebody made a very good point last week. I wish I could remember who it was.
His point was that we jail people for viewing kiddie porn even though they haven't carried out any sexual acts on children. We should therefore jail people who visit Jihadi websites even though they haven't carried out a terrorist attack. |
It would be a good point if it were factually correct.
We jail relatively few people who view child abuse imagery online. We can't afford to. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 17:51 - Jun 6 with 4949 views | The_Last_Baron |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:41 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont |
May well be. But that doesn't get us anywhere near a solution. |
In the current situation he'd make a great home secretary. | |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 19:47 - Jun 6 with 4903 views | Herbivore |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 16:10 - Jun 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Somebody made a very good point last week. I wish I could remember who it was.
His point was that we jail people for viewing kiddie porn even though they haven't carried out any sexual acts on children. We should therefore jail people who visit Jihadi websites even though they haven't carried out a terrorist attack. |
The two aren't really comparable. |  |
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| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 21:12 - Jun 6 with 4860 views | m14_blue |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 15:16 - Jun 6 by Darth_Koont |
There's also this re: internment. I missed his quote first time as it wasn't taken from the article but sitting outside it.
"It wasn't successful in Northern Ireland. It was counterproductive in Northern Ireland but we can do it in a different way than we did it in Northern Ireland and make sure it is both productive and effective."
No details on how it can or will work better ... I now fully expect to see Kemp part of May's counter-terrorism team in the near future. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 15:23]
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maybe this time it will be Red, White and Blue internment? | | | |
| We should do as Colonel Richard Kemp suggests on 06:24 - Jun 7 with 4786 views | No9 |
Are you old enough to understand how unsuccessful that policy was in N. Ireland?
Do you remember labour were defeated when they tried to introduce a detention bill? | | | |
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