| What a world we live in hey 13:26 - Jul 22 with 916 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
So this young girl throws a chair from a balcony onto one of the busiest roads in the country, which is filmed on her phone and posted to social media and she avoids jail.
In the meantime she becomes famous, gets offer of work and was briefly in Drake's music video before people complained.
Regardless of peer pressure or saying you'd been drinking earlier that day, this is absolutely the sort of thing you have to go for prison for, not only for the severity of the offence itself in accepting the high risk of causing death or serious injury, but as a deterrent to other people doing things like this on social media that lead to them becoming famous!
How is it any different to drink driving - when you endanger life but have the defence of being drunk and not knowing what you were doing, or at least having diminished cognitive awareness at the time. Only most drink drivers don't upload what they did to social media (she claims it was her phone, her account but she didn't post it).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53494556
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/chair-girl-apologizes-in-court-as-judge-announces-sen [Post edited 22 Jul 2020 13:31]
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| What a world we live in hey on 13:29 - Jul 22 with 878 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Thats social media for you. |  |
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| What a world we live in hey on 13:52 - Jul 22 with 824 views | factual_blue |
As we've been reminded on here, some people are actually better drivers after a drink or two. |  |
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| What a world we live in hey on 13:52 - Jul 22 with 819 views | homer_123 |
| What a world we live in hey on 13:52 - Jul 22 by factual_blue |
As we've been reminded on here, some people are actually better drivers after a drink or two. |
*think they are |  |
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| What a world we live in hey on 13:54 - Jul 22 with 821 views | itfcjoe |
One of my friends at uni had someone from their school who had done similar - but had killed someone doing it.
Obviously totally destroyed their life for what was an incredibly stupid stunt - I *think* they may have ended up killing themselves too. |  |
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| What a world we live in hey on 13:57 - Jul 22 with 783 views | factual_blue |
| What a world we live in hey on 13:52 - Jul 22 by homer_123 |
*think they are |
Definitely are.
TG said so, so that's good enough for me. | |
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| What a world we live in hey on 14:00 - Jul 22 with 769 views | homer_123 |
| What a world we live in hey on 13:57 - Jul 22 by factual_blue |
Definitely are.
TG said so, so that's good enough for me. |
perception is reality.... | |
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| What a world we live in hey on 14:02 - Jul 22 with 765 views | sparks |
All sorts of interesting issues to unpack in there...
She presumably had no intent to do harm, but was reckless or stupid or most likely both. The difference between her actions causing serious harm and not doing so were largely down to luck.
Makes interesting comparisons with assault cases, where no serious harm is done- but could have been. I have in mind those horrible cases of a swung punch outside a pub, which causes someone to fall and crack their skull etc. Or, as you say, with drink driving where you tend to get off far more likely if you get luck and dont happen to harm anyone.
Where does one draw the line between punishing on potential outcomes, and actual outcomes? |  |
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| What a world we live in hey on 14:39 - Jul 22 with 712 views | The_Last_Baron |
| What a world we live in hey on 14:02 - Jul 22 by sparks |
All sorts of interesting issues to unpack in there...
She presumably had no intent to do harm, but was reckless or stupid or most likely both. The difference between her actions causing serious harm and not doing so were largely down to luck.
Makes interesting comparisons with assault cases, where no serious harm is done- but could have been. I have in mind those horrible cases of a swung punch outside a pub, which causes someone to fall and crack their skull etc. Or, as you say, with drink driving where you tend to get off far more likely if you get luck and dont happen to harm anyone.
Where does one draw the line between punishing on potential outcomes, and actual outcomes? |
Doesn't matter if there was no intent to harm someone. If that had hit someone on the ground it would have seriously injured them.
This case warrants a prison sentence of some description. |  |
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| What a world we live in hey on 15:34 - Jul 22 with 655 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
| What a world we live in hey on 14:02 - Jul 22 by sparks |
All sorts of interesting issues to unpack in there...
She presumably had no intent to do harm, but was reckless or stupid or most likely both. The difference between her actions causing serious harm and not doing so were largely down to luck.
Makes interesting comparisons with assault cases, where no serious harm is done- but could have been. I have in mind those horrible cases of a swung punch outside a pub, which causes someone to fall and crack their skull etc. Or, as you say, with drink driving where you tend to get off far more likely if you get luck and dont happen to harm anyone.
Where does one draw the line between punishing on potential outcomes, and actual outcomes? |
That's always been the thing I have found really difficult with drink drivers that get let off. Some of the court rulings are wildly at odds with each other.
As you say luck.
A drink driver twice over the limit mounts the kerb and hits a pedestrian and kills them and they are looking at considerable jail time for causing death by dangerous driving.
A drink driver four times over the limit mounts the kerb and hits a phone box and two cars and they get a fine and a suspended sentence.
I appreciate there should be a level of taking into account the actual damage caused and a loss of life, but when it becomes down to pot luck it is ridiculous seeing two drunk drivers given wildly different punishment just because of what they were lucky enough not to hit or unlucky enough to hit.
It is incredibly difficult as you say. You can't give someone 3 years for a sustained beating but then only give someone 6 months for killing someone on the basis it was only one punch intended just to hurt them a bit.
Luck does play a part but it seems like it carries too much weight against intent and the level of the offence. | |
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