| Brewery advice... 17:44 - Jul 21 with 3420 views | Bluefish |
I am soon to open a bar, it is a sports pavilion where our pitches and 3g are we are opening it as a football and family (we have over 50 teams at the club) bar hopefully open 7 days a week.
We are currently entertaining and pricing up breweries and want to canvass opinions.
The 2 easiest choices are marstons and Greene King. The outsiders are molson coors and Heineken. The Heineken set up is different in terms of installation but cant be used by other breweries in the future. They also seem expensive. We are starting with 4 pumps initially but without cask to start with.
What would you want to see as beer options?
Please remember we aren't having cask straight away until we have a definite idea of trade levels and that this is aimed at sports and families. |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:45 - Jul 21 with 2212 views | SpruceMoose |
I'll be very disappointed if this bar isn't called The Lambert Out. |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:47 - Jul 21 with 2218 views | Bluefish |
| Brewery advice... on 17:45 - Jul 21 by SpruceMoose |
I'll be very disappointed if this bar isn't called The Lambert Out. |
one of the GK options is a pilsner that you can name yourself. That has just made the shortlist. The Lambert Out Pilsner. Will sell by the thousand in Derby i reckon | |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:49 - Jul 21 with 2184 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brewery advice... on 17:47 - Jul 21 by Bluefish |
one of the GK options is a pilsner that you can name yourself. That has just made the shortlist. The Lambert Out Pilsner. Will sell by the thousand in Derby i reckon |
I fully support this and wish you luck. | |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:53 - Jul 21 with 2179 views | pennblue |
For me Adnams (Broadside) or St Peters are ahead of Greene King. I would also look to stock a decent range of no / low alcohol such as:
Ghost Ship
St Peters L/A
ERDINGER ALKOHOLFREI (0.4%)
Brew Dog
(In that order) [Post edited 21 Jul 2020 17:54]
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| Brewery advice... on 17:54 - Jul 21 with 2176 views | Plums |
These days, I’d expect to see one, possibly two lagers a cider and an IPA. Seems to work well at our local cricket club. The ale boys are happy with the IPA until the casks arrive. |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:54 - Jul 21 with 2174 views | bluelagos |
| Brewery advice... on 17:47 - Jul 21 by Bluefish |
one of the GK options is a pilsner that you can name yourself. That has just made the shortlist. The Lambert Out Pilsner. Will sell by the thousand in Derby i reckon |
You are in Derby? |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:56 - Jul 21 with 2163 views | Bluefish |
| Brewery advice... on 17:53 - Jul 21 by pennblue |
For me Adnams (Broadside) or St Peters are ahead of Greene King. I would also look to stock a decent range of no / low alcohol such as:
Ghost Ship
St Peters L/A
ERDINGER ALKOHOLFREI (0.4%)
Brew Dog
(In that order) [Post edited 21 Jul 2020 17:54]
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broadside is cask though
I will have to stock non alcohol for my old man. He won't touch alcohol because he is a full time carer for my mum. He says the nanny state by brewdog is one of the best he has tried | |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:57 - Jul 21 with 2153 views | Bluefish |
| Brewery advice... on 17:54 - Jul 21 by bluelagos |
You are in Derby? |
Yes | |
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| Brewery advice... on 17:58 - Jul 21 with 2142 views | Bluefish |
| Brewery advice... on 17:54 - Jul 21 by Plums |
These days, I’d expect to see one, possibly two lagers a cider and an IPA. Seems to work well at our local cricket club. The ale boys are happy with the IPA until the casks arrive. |
with GK I was looking at
Old speckled hen
East coast
Own pilsner
San miguel
With marston it would be pedigree and 61 deep with carling as well
Coors would give us a better option with Atlantic | |
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| "The Anyone But Lambert Inn" (n/t) on 18:06 - Jul 21 with 2088 views | Bloots |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:10 - Jul 21 with 2078 views | bluelagos |
| Brewery advice... on 17:57 - Jul 21 by Bluefish |
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OK, so my insight would be that you would be far better off asking people in Derby. Beer tastes (especially Ale) is very regional, lager less so.
If you only have 4 pumps - I'd go for a standard lager, premium one, one ale and a cider.
Make sure you get a good deal too. Volume will determine your discount and you can get deals that incentivize you on your volume (which will increase your discount if you sell more).
You could also try and tap them up for some sponsorship / board adverts - no harm asking. Will need to make sure it is for the adult pitches obv. | |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:12 - Jul 21 with 2064 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brewery advice... on 18:10 - Jul 21 by bluelagos |
OK, so my insight would be that you would be far better off asking people in Derby. Beer tastes (especially Ale) is very regional, lager less so.
If you only have 4 pumps - I'd go for a standard lager, premium one, one ale and a cider.
Make sure you get a good deal too. Volume will determine your discount and you can get deals that incentivize you on your volume (which will increase your discount if you sell more).
You could also try and tap them up for some sponsorship / board adverts - no harm asking. Will need to make sure it is for the adult pitches obv. |
Your last paragraph minded me of the time I saw a kids little league ground sponsored by a local strip club. | |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:19 - Jul 21 with 2053 views | bluelagos |
| Brewery advice... on 18:12 - Jul 21 by SpruceMoose |
Your last paragraph minded me of the time I saw a kids little league ground sponsored by a local strip club. |
I started my accounting career in the beer industry - and I remember when they brought out Hooper's Hooch - which was clearly aimed at kids. Was in a meeting and I challenged the targeting and asked "What you doing next? Alcoholic milk?"
Few months later they brought out an alcoholic milk.
That was when I worked out that big business has nil moral compass and is all about maximising profits, end of. See also cigarettes, gambling, supermarkets, oil companies etc. | |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:21 - Jul 21 with 2043 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brewery advice... on 18:19 - Jul 21 by bluelagos |
I started my accounting career in the beer industry - and I remember when they brought out Hooper's Hooch - which was clearly aimed at kids. Was in a meeting and I challenged the targeting and asked "What you doing next? Alcoholic milk?"
Few months later they brought out an alcoholic milk.
That was when I worked out that big business has nil moral compass and is all about maximising profits, end of. See also cigarettes, gambling, supermarkets, oil companies etc. |
Not sure if the craze has hit the UK yet, but the next big thing over here seems to be hop water.
Now your discerning craft beer fan can enjoy a sparkling double dry hopped water. | |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:23 - Jul 21 with 2033 views | bluelagos |
| Brewery advice... on 18:21 - Jul 21 by SpruceMoose |
Not sure if the craze has hit the UK yet, but the next big thing over here seems to be hop water.
Now your discerning craft beer fan can enjoy a sparkling double dry hopped water. |
So flavoured water? No alcohol? | |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:24 - Jul 21 with 2034 views | sparks |
| Brewery advice... on 18:21 - Jul 21 by SpruceMoose |
Not sure if the craze has hit the UK yet, but the next big thing over here seems to be hop water.
Now your discerning craft beer fan can enjoy a sparkling double dry hopped water. |
If it replaces the endless IPAs and opens some shelf space for some proper beer again, thats all good.
Ahh Greene King. The company that had (and may still have) an accounting setup known as "cloaking" to conceal the prices they charge independents, from their tied tenants to ensure that the tenants dont revolt... |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:29 - Jul 21 with 2014 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brewery advice... on 18:24 - Jul 21 by sparks |
If it replaces the endless IPAs and opens some shelf space for some proper beer again, thats all good.
Ahh Greene King. The company that had (and may still have) an accounting setup known as "cloaking" to conceal the prices they charge independents, from their tied tenants to ensure that the tenants dont revolt... |
"If it replaces the endless IPAs and opens some shelf space for some proper beer again, thats all good."
Yeah... I don't think that's going to happen. It'll probably just mean even less self space for the beers that are considered to be less fashionable. | |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:42 - Jul 21 with 1989 views | itfcjoe |
| Brewery advice... on 17:56 - Jul 21 by Bluefish |
broadside is cask though
I will have to stock non alcohol for my old man. He won't touch alcohol because he is a full time carer for my mum. He says the nanny state by brewdog is one of the best he has tried |
Weaker lager - Carlsberg or Fosters
Premium lager - San Miguel or Stella
Cider - Strongbow
IPA - Greene King
People will say these are all rubbish beers, but there is a reason that that is a normal selection in pubs - especially with limited space.
I'm in pubs all day every day, there will be variations on this - but for a small bar, if you aren't doing cask for now, it needs to be along those lines.
Other alternative is instead of a premium 5% beer you just have that as a guest one and cycle through smaller kegs, but less money in that as product more expensive |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:45 - Jul 21 with 1976 views | witchdoctor |
you gonna stock some of TIB’s fine selection of ales? |  | | |
| Brewery advice... on 18:46 - Jul 21 with 1969 views | footers |
| Brewery advice... on 18:42 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
Weaker lager - Carlsberg or Fosters
Premium lager - San Miguel or Stella
Cider - Strongbow
IPA - Greene King
People will say these are all rubbish beers, but there is a reason that that is a normal selection in pubs - especially with limited space.
I'm in pubs all day every day, there will be variations on this - but for a small bar, if you aren't doing cask for now, it needs to be along those lines.
Other alternative is instead of a premium 5% beer you just have that as a guest one and cycle through smaller kegs, but less money in that as product more expensive |
They are sh1t beers, tbf. |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 18:58 - Jul 21 with 1937 views | stonojnr |
| Brewery advice... on 17:56 - Jul 21 by Bluefish |
broadside is cask though
I will have to stock non alcohol for my old man. He won't touch alcohol because he is a full time carer for my mum. He says the nanny state by brewdog is one of the best he has tried |
not only is it a cask beer, its an absolute pita to sell, I think alot of Adnams tenants would be quite happy if they didnt have to have that taking up a spot on the bar anymore, great beer, but people just dont drink enough of it anymore.
dont forget Martsons and Carlsberg had announced a merger quite recently,so that may change things, but definitely worth checking the local scene in Derby first, | | | |
| Brewery advice... on 19:33 - Jul 21 with 1878 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Suspect it comes down to cost.
If you are not doing huge volumes, it's probably hard to make the freehouse model work unless you are a pub where your focus / usp is selling craft beer. |  |
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| Brewery advice... on 19:47 - Jul 21 with 1854 views | Bluefish |
They will pay the installation costs and support us. We are a not for profit company run by 3 volunteers with full time jobs, we will open with 1 part time member of staff so the support will be needed | |
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| Brewery advice... on 19:49 - Jul 21 with 681 views | Bluefish |
| Brewery advice... on 18:10 - Jul 21 by bluelagos |
OK, so my insight would be that you would be far better off asking people in Derby. Beer tastes (especially Ale) is very regional, lager less so.
If you only have 4 pumps - I'd go for a standard lager, premium one, one ale and a cider.
Make sure you get a good deal too. Volume will determine your discount and you can get deals that incentivize you on your volume (which will increase your discount if you sell more).
You could also try and tap them up for some sponsorship / board adverts - no harm asking. Will need to make sure it is for the adult pitches obv. |
we have the potential to be very busy so the breweries are being very competitive. I've been putting the squeeze on GK and he has admitted there is much to play with | |
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