| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:03 - Jan 3 with 2694 views | BlueBadger |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:16 - Jan 3 with 2655 views | Moriarty |
No doubt the brexiteers missed the irony of a German President of the EU being more articulate (speaking in English) than BJ during the speeches confirming the exit agreement. |  |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:40 - Jan 3 with 2610 views | Ftnfwest |
Wow. The last time it was predicted that Boris would lose his seat was half an hour before the election exit poll. |  | | |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:52 - Jan 3 with 2571 views | factual_blue |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:16 - Jan 3 by Moriarty |
No doubt the brexiteers missed the irony of a German President of the EU being more articulate (speaking in English) than BJ during the speeches confirming the exit agreement. |
No brexiteer has any sense of irony. Or history.
Just entitlement. |  |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:04 - Jan 3 with 2537 views | NthQldITFC |
For a party whose retinue traditionally come from the vulnerable upper end of the age spectrum, you'd think the tories would be quicker to take firm and decisive preventative action to minimise their losses at this time. Bunch of wet farts. |  |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:18 - Jan 3 with 2509 views | BlueBadger |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:04 - Jan 3 by NthQldITFC |
For a party whose retinue traditionally come from the vulnerable upper end of the age spectrum, you'd think the tories would be quicker to take firm and decisive preventative action to minimise their losses at this time. Bunch of wet farts. |
Like all sociopaths, they only value the older and vulnerable when it comes to election time. [Post edited 3 Jan 2021 12:21]
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:59 - Jan 3 with 2440 views | Moriarty |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:52 - Jan 3 by factual_blue |
No brexiteer has any sense of irony. Or history.
Just entitlement. |
It will be elastic plastic intellect at its finest if and when brexiteers argue against Scotland and Northern Ireland’s right to self determination when those respective referenda arrive. | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 13:01 - Jan 3 with 2435 views | Darth_Koont |
Any other opposition leader would be 20 points ahead ... I think that’s how it goes.
Given 2020 couldn’t have gone worse for the government and even Getting Brexit Done was fumbled at the end it says a lot about the country that the Tories are still polling in the high 30s. Positively Trumpian.
But there’s three years until the next GE. They need to be attacked on their record, not just over the past year but 11 years of fumbling and bumbling. And the entire premise of centre-right neoliberalism needs to be challenged.
What worries me about Starmer is that he’s seemingly heading towards “all politicians are the same” territory and in particular the populist right talk of identity and socially conservative values. Any sober analysis of the issues affecting the country as a whole indicate that’s missing the point entirely, just like politicians have missed the underlying point on Brexit and Scottish independence. |  |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 13:05 - Jan 3 with 2417 views | Darth_Koont |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:59 - Jan 3 by Moriarty |
It will be elastic plastic intellect at its finest if and when brexiteers argue against Scotland and Northern Ireland’s right to self determination when those respective referenda arrive. |
Talking of which, I saw there’s a move for some sort of Irish unification referendum in the Summer of 2023.
Seems ambitious but I think that idea certainly has some momentum given the new status for Northern Ireland.
What’s your take? | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 13:08 - Jan 3 with 2403 views | pointofblue |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:59 - Jan 3 by Moriarty |
It will be elastic plastic intellect at its finest if and when brexiteers argue against Scotland and Northern Ireland’s right to self determination when those respective referenda arrive. |
The arguments around trade, services and border control will be interesting to watch as well, considering the sides will be basically switching places. |  |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 13:49 - Jan 3 with 2332 views | Moriarty |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 13:05 - Jan 3 by Darth_Koont |
Talking of which, I saw there’s a move for some sort of Irish unification referendum in the Summer of 2023.
Seems ambitious but I think that idea certainly has some momentum given the new status for Northern Ireland.
What’s your take? |
The present Taoiseach, Micheal Martin, has said it’s not likely to be that soon. I’d imagine if there was a referendum in the morning, the North would vote to stay in the U.K.
My guess - and it is only that - is that the referendum will take place in 15 - 20 years or so and that the North will vote to leave the U.K.
Germany will remember Helmut Kohl’s promise that Germany will always remember Ireland’s support for a united Germany and the US and EU will make a financial package available to support the transition to a united Ireland.
Scotland may leave first? | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:09 - Jan 3 with 2296 views | Darth_Koont |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 13:49 - Jan 3 by Moriarty |
The present Taoiseach, Micheal Martin, has said it’s not likely to be that soon. I’d imagine if there was a referendum in the morning, the North would vote to stay in the U.K.
My guess - and it is only that - is that the referendum will take place in 15 - 20 years or so and that the North will vote to leave the U.K.
Germany will remember Helmut Kohl’s promise that Germany will always remember Ireland’s support for a united Germany and the US and EU will make a financial package available to support the transition to a united Ireland.
Scotland may leave first? |
Yeah, I think you’re right re: a decade or more. We may of course be looking at a very different world and UK before then so who knows?
I think Scotland is on its way. Covid and Brexit have swung it rationally and emotionally and there’s nothing in Labour or the Conservatives that’s going to reverse that. Actually the opposite, looking at the state of them.
How soon for the next referendum is difficult to say but at this rate I think it’ll be in a couple of years’ time when the dust has settled over the pandemic and reality post-EU has set in. | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:21 - Jan 3 with 2265 views | WD19 |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:09 - Jan 3 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah, I think you’re right re: a decade or more. We may of course be looking at a very different world and UK before then so who knows?
I think Scotland is on its way. Covid and Brexit have swung it rationally and emotionally and there’s nothing in Labour or the Conservatives that’s going to reverse that. Actually the opposite, looking at the state of them.
How soon for the next referendum is difficult to say but at this rate I think it’ll be in a couple of years’ time when the dust has settled over the pandemic and reality post-EU has set in. |
All things being equal the next Scottish referendum will be in c.4 years time as the price for putting Keir Starmer in power as part of a coalition with the SNP. |  | | |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:30 - Jan 3 with 2250 views | Darth_Koont |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:21 - Jan 3 by WD19 |
All things being equal the next Scottish referendum will be in c.4 years time as the price for putting Keir Starmer in power as part of a coalition with the SNP. |
Hmmm. I actually doubt Starmer will do that now. He’s already set his stall out on Scotland – and as with any question he seems utterly focused on English “racist homeowners” and what they like/don’t like.
I think the new referendum will come from demonstrations and a constitutional challenge. | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:48 - Jan 3 with 2214 views | factual_blue |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 12:59 - Jan 3 by Moriarty |
It will be elastic plastic intellect at its finest if and when brexiteers argue against Scotland and Northern Ireland’s right to self determination when those respective referenda arrive. |
I await the reaction with interest of unemployed gammons sent by Jobcentre Plus to work as personal carers. | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 15:00 - Jan 3 with 2193 views | WD19 |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 14:48 - Jan 3 by factual_blue |
I await the reaction with interest of unemployed gammons sent by Jobcentre Plus to work as personal carers. |
We equally eagerly await your updates if/when they arrive. | | | |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 15:02 - Jan 3 with 2177 views | factual_blue |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 15:00 - Jan 3 by WD19 |
We equally eagerly await your updates if/when they arrive. |
I'm not so much in the loop these days. You could try tweeting Jack Lankester's dad though. | |
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| Interesting view if there was a election today on 15:09 - Jan 3 with 2160 views | jaykay |
| Interesting view if there was a election today on 11:16 - Jan 3 by Moriarty |
No doubt the brexiteers missed the irony of a German President of the EU being more articulate (speaking in English) than BJ during the speeches confirming the exit agreement. |
what she didn't say err ummm hundreds of times with a splattering of FANSASTIC in her speech |  |
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