| KOA 10:35 - May 12 with 1488 views | saffers12 |
Normally listen the Blue Monday
Worth a listen as they went through the whole squad in detail based on Monday's contract decisions
They clearly have more insight and appreciation of the situation, they seem to say that they still think there will be a fair few leaving and not part of the first team come August
They as we are were perplexed reagrding Drinan |  | | |  |
| KOA on 11:08 - May 12 with 1359 views | hype313 |
it's quite clear that the contracts to Jackson and the rest were with a view to recoup some cash, but as Stuart said that's a dangerous game to play if nothing materializes, we then have 3-4 unhappy players in the camp.
And as Joe said the other day, it's a strange move as those fees are essentially sunk costs, so why even bother going down that road when we have new investment.
Bit odd really and Drinan is a bizarre one, he's a player that should be playing a division below, not a Championship chasing club like us, he's not even going to command a decent fee if someone came in for him. |  |
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| KOA on 11:20 - May 12 with 1301 views | itfcjoe |
| KOA on 11:08 - May 12 by hype313 |
it's quite clear that the contracts to Jackson and the rest were with a view to recoup some cash, but as Stuart said that's a dangerous game to play if nothing materializes, we then have 3-4 unhappy players in the camp.
And as Joe said the other day, it's a strange move as those fees are essentially sunk costs, so why even bother going down that road when we have new investment.
Bit odd really and Drinan is a bizarre one, he's a player that should be playing a division below, not a Championship chasing club like us, he's not even going to command a decent fee if someone came in for him. |
I agree with what Stu was saying, and have said similar - that it's an incredibly risky move and also means that the same stink over the squad will be here on Day 1 of pre season if we haven';t sifted them.
What price a fresh start? I can understand Jackson being one kept on as he likely will command a fee - but if that is the plan for Donacien and Nsiala then we are likely to be caught with our pants down |  |
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| KOA on 11:26 - May 12 with 1263 views | positivity |
| KOA on 11:20 - May 12 by itfcjoe |
I agree with what Stu was saying, and have said similar - that it's an incredibly risky move and also means that the same stink over the squad will be here on Day 1 of pre season if we haven';t sifted them.
What price a fresh start? I can understand Jackson being one kept on as he likely will command a fee - but if that is the plan for Donacien and Nsiala then we are likely to be caught with our pants down |
don't get the impression that either of nsiala and donacien are troublemakers within the squad.
if we get better players there'll be no shortage of takers at league one level (probably without a fee, but low risk of them being stuck here without being in the squad) |  |
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| KOA on 11:30 - May 12 with 1233 views | itfcjoe |
| KOA on 11:26 - May 12 by positivity |
don't get the impression that either of nsiala and donacien are troublemakers within the squad.
if we get better players there'll be no shortage of takers at league one level (probably without a fee, but low risk of them being stuck here without being in the squad) |
It's not about being troublemakers, it's if we end up with 30 first team players at start of pre season rather than a tight knit squad for Cook to work with | |
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| KOA on 11:33 - May 12 with 1208 views | hype313 |
| KOA on 11:20 - May 12 by itfcjoe |
I agree with what Stu was saying, and have said similar - that it's an incredibly risky move and also means that the same stink over the squad will be here on Day 1 of pre season if we haven';t sifted them.
What price a fresh start? I can understand Jackson being one kept on as he likely will command a fee - but if that is the plan for Donacien and Nsiala then we are likely to be caught with our pants down |
it's an odd move from Cook for me all round, surely this was an opportune time to really stamp your authority and remove the potential threat of an unhappy camp come August.
I just hope they are no being unrealistic on their valuations on these players, and if someone offers £500k for Jackson then I hope they will be minded to sell. | |
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| KOA on 11:35 - May 12 with 1188 views | tractorboy1978 |
| KOA on 11:33 - May 12 by hype313 |
it's an odd move from Cook for me all round, surely this was an opportune time to really stamp your authority and remove the potential threat of an unhappy camp come August.
I just hope they are no being unrealistic on their valuations on these players, and if someone offers £500k for Jackson then I hope they will be minded to sell. |
Worst case they will just move them out on loan. I don't see a situation where they are hanging about the first team squad unless Cook wants them here. | | | |
| KOA on 11:37 - May 12 with 1171 views | positivity |
| KOA on 11:30 - May 12 by itfcjoe |
It's not about being troublemakers, it's if we end up with 30 first team players at start of pre season rather than a tight knit squad for Cook to work with |
but that's what i'm saying,
if we sign a better 2-3 cbs (and keep woolfy) then toto will be out (on loan or permanent)
if we sign a better rb (and keep kvy) then donacien will be out (on loan or permanent) | |
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| KOA on 11:42 - May 12 with 1133 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
The thing about Drinan is low salary = minimal risk.
Perhaps they will ship him out on loan or perhaps someone wants to take a calculated gamble on a young chap who has experience of league one and we can wangle a few quid out of someone. | | | |
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| KOA on 11:44 - May 12 with 1118 views | BlueyandCrazy |
| KOA on 11:20 - May 12 by itfcjoe |
I agree with what Stu was saying, and have said similar - that it's an incredibly risky move and also means that the same stink over the squad will be here on Day 1 of pre season if we haven';t sifted them.
What price a fresh start? I can understand Jackson being one kept on as he likely will command a fee - but if that is the plan for Donacien and Nsiala then we are likely to be caught with our pants down |
Ideally more will go and agree that had expected the decisions to me more ruthless and to have written off sunk costs, releasing those not wanted rather than try and take a punt on getting nominal fees.
But we do need a squad next year, and don’t want to be held to ransom on additions where agents know we have limited time and massive gaps in the squad, so there is some sense in this respect to the retentions.
In terms of he culture, I think this will be changed though as the leaders and senior players in the dressing room have gone. They will be replaced by new signings / leaders. Those retained will be mostly squad players and followers ..... | |
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| KOA on 11:45 - May 12 with 1113 views | chrismakin |
| KOA on 11:37 - May 12 by positivity |
but that's what i'm saying,
if we sign a better 2-3 cbs (and keep woolfy) then toto will be out (on loan or permanent)
if we sign a better rb (and keep kvy) then donacien will be out (on loan or permanent) |
If a player is injured, say for 8 weeks, are they still counted within the squad limit numbers?
That's a risk in itself if they are isn't it?
Especially with our sort of injury record, if Jackson/Donacien/Drinan got injured pre season.. we'd be stuck with them at the club/paid/taking up a squad place... |  |
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| KOA on 11:49 - May 12 with 1073 views | positivity |
| KOA on 11:45 - May 12 by chrismakin |
If a player is injured, say for 8 weeks, are they still counted within the squad limit numbers?
That's a risk in itself if they are isn't it?
Especially with our sort of injury record, if Jackson/Donacien/Drinan got injured pre season.. we'd be stuck with them at the club/paid/taking up a squad place... |
not sure on the injury, i doubt you can change it, but it wouldn't be named pre-season as the transfer window wouldn't be closed by then | |
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| KOA on 11:58 - May 12 with 1030 views | positivity |
interested in the drinan/murphy comparisons and murph's progress at drinan's age.
clutching at straws a bit though! | |
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| KOA on 12:03 - May 12 with 997 views | jayessess |
| KOA on 11:35 - May 12 by tractorboy1978 |
Worst case they will just move them out on loan. I don't see a situation where they are hanging about the first team squad unless Cook wants them here. |
Not much point loaning out players in the final year of their contract really, might as well just transfer their permanent registration to the receiving club.
Ultimately if we've just renewed them to sell, all of it gets you into the same problem. We've put ourselves on the hook for these players' wages for a year. We seem to have made a bet that we can not only persuade other clubs to take those wage costs on, but also they'll pay us on top of that. Seems like a bad bet to me, but we'll see. |  |
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| KOA on 12:13 - May 12 with 952 views | positivity |
| KOA on 12:03 - May 12 by jayessess |
Not much point loaning out players in the final year of their contract really, might as well just transfer their permanent registration to the receiving club.
Ultimately if we've just renewed them to sell, all of it gets you into the same problem. We've put ourselves on the hook for these players' wages for a year. We seem to have made a bet that we can not only persuade other clubs to take those wage costs on, but also they'll pay us on top of that. Seems like a bad bet to me, but we'll see. |
it's a bet either way.
if you release them, you bet on being able to get better players. if the bet fails you're stuck without decent cover.
if you keep them, you bet on being able to offload them. if the bet fails you lose their wages
if you're (relatively) cash rich you go for the 2nd (insurance) option | |
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| KOA on 12:28 - May 12 with 894 views | itfcjoe |
| KOA on 11:37 - May 12 by positivity |
but that's what i'm saying,
if we sign a better 2-3 cbs (and keep woolfy) then toto will be out (on loan or permanent)
if we sign a better rb (and keep kvy) then donacien will be out (on loan or permanent) |
It's one thing saying 'they will be out' and another thing doing it though | |
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| KOA on 12:38 - May 12 with 853 views | jayessess |
| KOA on 12:13 - May 12 by positivity |
it's a bet either way.
if you release them, you bet on being able to get better players. if the bet fails you're stuck without decent cover.
if you keep them, you bet on being able to offload them. if the bet fails you lose their wages
if you're (relatively) cash rich you go for the 2nd (insurance) option |
The idea that we've got to keep these lads around in case we can't recruit better is pretty far way from the line we were hearing a few weeks back, which was:
(a) These players are an embarrassment to the football club, "raffle winners", "worst I've ever managed" etc.
(b) We'll definitely be making wholesale changes and have plenty of resources to do so. | |
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| KOA on 15:10 - May 12 with 693 views | positivity |
| KOA on 12:38 - May 12 by jayessess |
The idea that we've got to keep these lads around in case we can't recruit better is pretty far way from the line we were hearing a few weeks back, which was:
(a) These players are an embarrassment to the football club, "raffle winners", "worst I've ever managed" etc.
(b) We'll definitely be making wholesale changes and have plenty of resources to do so. |
a) he was careful not to name names, donacien wasn't even there so we can rule him out, he also has previously managed toto, so knows him well
b) i agree, but having insurance is sensible if we can afford it | |
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