| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 12:08 - May 14 with 2434 views | StokieBlue |
Was always going to happen.
As per my post a few weeks back, the border to India should have been closed ages before (including the transiting through Turkey) although even then some cases would have already been in the UK.
The key now is that the infected people follow the rules and keep the infection within those household clusters.
I'm not hugely confident about that, especially up north where it seems to be moving towards exponential growth in places like Bolton.
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 12:08 - May 14 by StokieBlue |
Was always going to happen.
As per my post a few weeks back, the border to India should have been closed ages before (including the transiting through Turkey) although even then some cases would have already been in the UK.
The key now is that the infected people follow the rules and keep the infection within those household clusters.
I'm not hugely confident about that, especially up north where it seems to be moving towards exponential growth in places like Bolton.
SB |
Yes I remember you calling it on that thread. So frustrating... instead of stopping the source, now we fire-fight locally, after a year of various lockdowns. |  |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 12:29 - May 14 with 2333 views | HARRY10 |
'Boris Johnson's visit to India will still go ahead later this month despite the country's soaring coronavirus cases and a new variant there, No 10 says.'
16th April 2021 |  | | |
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Johnson is holding a Downing Street briefing at 5pm. Not good news for a Friday evening. | | | |
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Johnson is holding a Downing Street briefing at 5pm. Not good news for a Friday evening. |
If he announces local lockdowns, I can only hope that every single person affected remembers his decision making on flights from india. | |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 13:03 - May 14 with 2196 views | StokieBlue |
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If he announces local lockdowns, I can only hope that every single person affected remembers his decision making on flights from india. |
It's going to be chaos as I assume he's thinking of delaying the openings in the Northwest and Burnham has already said they will reject any lockdown or delays to the timetable.
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 13:04 - May 14 with 2181 views | GlasgowBlue |
We have a cluster in Glasgow as well. Thanks Nicola. |  |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 13:04 - May 14 with 2182 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 12:29 - May 14 by HARRY10 |
'Boris Johnson's visit to India will still go ahead later this month despite the country's soaring coronavirus cases and a new variant there, No 10 says.'
16th April 2021 |
Could you please advise on the point of this posting - didn't he cancel his visit or have I missed something? | | | |
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Could you please advise on the point of this posting - didn't he cancel his visit or have I missed something? |
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But it didn't go ahead.
Thus that trip wasn't an issue, the issue occurred a few weeks previously to that when he refused to add India (and at the time France) to the red list which was clearly the correct thing to do.
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 14:17 - May 14 with 1926 views | HARRY10 |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 13:04 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
We have a cluster in Glasgow as well. Thanks Nicola. |
and out he pops, forelock a tuggin'
whereas
"Scotland requires all international arrivals to isolate in hotels, but this can be avoided if passengers coming from non-red list countries catch connecting flights via airports in other parts of the UK or Ireland first."
Johnson was still allowing unchecked flights into England thus allowing possible infections to be spread elsewhere. with the suggestion being that he was desperate to cobble up something that suggested a trade deal with India
"Bangladesh, which had the South Africa but not the Brazil variant, and Pakistan, which had neither, were added to the red list on 9 April.
But India, which had both as well as a new variant, was not added for another two weeks.
On 9 April:
Pakistan had a seven-day average of 21 cases per million people
Bangladesh had twice as many
India had four times as many "
once again this odious slug has put the country at risk to benefit his personal needs | | | |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 14:39 - May 14 with 1870 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 14:17 - May 14 by HARRY10 |
and out he pops, forelock a tuggin'
whereas
"Scotland requires all international arrivals to isolate in hotels, but this can be avoided if passengers coming from non-red list countries catch connecting flights via airports in other parts of the UK or Ireland first."
Johnson was still allowing unchecked flights into England thus allowing possible infections to be spread elsewhere. with the suggestion being that he was desperate to cobble up something that suggested a trade deal with India
"Bangladesh, which had the South Africa but not the Brazil variant, and Pakistan, which had neither, were added to the red list on 9 April.
But India, which had both as well as a new variant, was not added for another two weeks.
On 9 April:
Pakistan had a seven-day average of 21 cases per million people
Bangladesh had twice as many
India had four times as many "
once again this odious slug has put the country at risk to benefit his personal needs |
'once again this odious slug has put the country at risk to benefit his personal needs'
Please explain how trying to get a trade deal with another country benefits his personal needs. | | | |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 14:42 - May 14 with 1852 views | HARRY10 |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 14:39 - May 14 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
'once again this odious slug has put the country at risk to benefit his personal needs'
Please explain how trying to get a trade deal with another country benefits his personal needs. |
to try to rectify the lies he spouted about the 'sunny uplands' of brexit, as nothing he has done has ever been anything other than for personal advancement | | | |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 15:42 - May 14 with 1758 views | J2BLUE |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 12:20 - May 14 by giant_stow |
Yes I remember you calling it on that thread. So frustrating... instead of stopping the source, now we fire-fight locally, after a year of various lockdowns. |
Some of us have been calling for proper enforced controls on entry to the country for the entire pandemic. Once again we've risked it and not it's looking dangerous.
Australia (most parts) have kept cases low to the point of normal life for the majority of the time but no we need to allow people to come in and trust them to isolate at home despite poll after poll telling us most people don't bother. |  |
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and out he pops, forelock a tuggin'
whereas
"Scotland requires all international arrivals to isolate in hotels, but this can be avoided if passengers coming from non-red list countries catch connecting flights via airports in other parts of the UK or Ireland first."
Johnson was still allowing unchecked flights into England thus allowing possible infections to be spread elsewhere. with the suggestion being that he was desperate to cobble up something that suggested a trade deal with India
"Bangladesh, which had the South Africa but not the Brazil variant, and Pakistan, which had neither, were added to the red list on 9 April.
But India, which had both as well as a new variant, was not added for another two weeks.
On 9 April:
Pakistan had a seven-day average of 21 cases per million people
Bangladesh had twice as many
India had four times as many "
once again this odious slug has put the country at risk to benefit his personal needs |
How odd. It appears people may criticise their government for not putting India on the red list earlier but you don’t afford the same privilege to people living in Scotland. That rather bigoted isn’t it?
Btw
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/scotland-losing-control-over-
As for forelock tugging? Is was inevitable that as soon as Johnson dithered over the India variant, it would take control and fcuk uo the easing of lockdown.
My first minister similarly didn’t act quickly enough. She put India on the red list on the same day as Johnson did in England. April 19.
I have a business that has just opened after spending the last 4 months closed and nearly 9 months out of the last 13 unable to operate. I want this lockdown ended. My daughter’s education and mental health has severed severely over the last year, and because of my First Minister’s dithering I’ll probably be closed again next month.
So you can fcuk right off with the forelock tugging. [Post edited 14 May 2021 16:39]
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 16:54 - May 14 with 1629 views | giant_stow |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 16:36 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
How odd. It appears people may criticise their government for not putting India on the red list earlier but you don’t afford the same privilege to people living in Scotland. That rather bigoted isn’t it?
Btw
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/scotland-losing-control-over-
As for forelock tugging? Is was inevitable that as soon as Johnson dithered over the India variant, it would take control and fcuk uo the easing of lockdown.
My first minister similarly didn’t act quickly enough. She put India on the red list on the same day as Johnson did in England. April 19.
I have a business that has just opened after spending the last 4 months closed and nearly 9 months out of the last 13 unable to operate. I want this lockdown ended. My daughter’s education and mental health has severed severely over the last year, and because of my First Minister’s dithering I’ll probably be closed again next month.
So you can fcuk right off with the forelock tugging. [Post edited 14 May 2021 16:39]
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Sorry to hear about your daughter mr - hope she gets through without more trouble.
How bad is the Glasgow outbreak? | |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 16:54 - May 14 by giant_stow |
Sorry to hear about your daughter mr - hope she gets through without more trouble.
How bad is the Glasgow outbreak? |
Cheers mate. A 14 year older girl who was already struggling with her sexuality over the months leading to the lockdown. Life hasn’t been much fun for her.
Cases more than doubling in the last week. A higher number of cases than Moray. Moray is the only Scottish region not going to level 2 on Monday because if the numbers. Can’t see how Glasgow cannot join Moray as staying in level 3 or worse.
As Stokie said at the time, it was obviously we should have acted immediately.
Edit. Just breaking. Glasgow staying in level 3. [Post edited 14 May 2021 17:00]
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 19:11 - May 14 with 1507 views | HARRY10 |
| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 16:36 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
How odd. It appears people may criticise their government for not putting India on the red list earlier but you don’t afford the same privilege to people living in Scotland. That rather bigoted isn’t it?
Btw
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/scotland-losing-control-over-
As for forelock tugging? Is was inevitable that as soon as Johnson dithered over the India variant, it would take control and fcuk uo the easing of lockdown.
My first minister similarly didn’t act quickly enough. She put India on the red list on the same day as Johnson did in England. April 19.
I have a business that has just opened after spending the last 4 months closed and nearly 9 months out of the last 13 unable to operate. I want this lockdown ended. My daughter’s education and mental health has severed severely over the last year, and because of my First Minister’s dithering I’ll probably be closed again next month.
So you can fcuk right off with the forelock tugging. [Post edited 14 May 2021 16:39]
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Do you ever bother to check first, or even concern yourself that you have some idea of what is being discussed
Or is it as I imply...out you come desperate to defend your betters ?
The problem has been caused by England and Scotland having different levels of safety. Scotland required passengers from all countries to quarantine. England only required passengers from its red list of 31 countries to quarantine. Which left Scotland wide open to passengers from then being able to travel on to Scotland without any need for checks and to quarantine.
So to try to equate the measures taken by Sturgeon with those of Johnson (when set against te above) clearly shows what your motivation was, and still is. | | | |
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'once again this odious slug has put the country at risk to benefit his personal needs'
Please explain how trying to get a trade deal with another country benefits his personal needs. |
Because he will try and sell it to everyone as a Brexit benefit as he desperately tries to salvage his reputation as the impact of his actions over the last 5 years becomes clear.
If you think Boris is motivated by what he thinks is best for the people he represents, in places like Hartlepool, rather than by what he thinks is best for Boris, then you must be unbelievably naive. | | | |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 13:04 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
We have a cluster in Glasgow as well. Thanks Nicola. |
It’s just mad, I can’t get my head round why they didn’t do it.
Even if there are spurious, brexit-related, motivations for Boris, they wouldn’t apply to Sturgeon.
How can they all have been so incompetent? It’s negligence, pure and simple. | | | |
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It’s just mad, I can’t get my head round why they didn’t do it.
Even if there are spurious, brexit-related, motivations for Boris, they wouldn’t apply to Sturgeon.
How can they all have been so incompetent? It’s negligence, pure and simple. |
Scotland imposed quarantine requirements for air passengers.
England did not, so passengers could simply fly into England then travel onto Scotland, which is how it is thought the Indian variant got to Scotland
Putting India on the red list AFTER Johnson had allowed the variant into the UK is where the fault lies. | | | |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 14:06 - May 14 by StokieBlue |
But it didn't go ahead.
Thus that trip wasn't an issue, the issue occurred a few weeks previously to that when he refused to add India (and at the time France) to the red list which was clearly the correct thing to do.
SB |
3 weeks before he added India, he added Pakistan and Bangladesh.
They had about a 50th of the cases of India at the time too, but we weren’t trying to negotiate a trade deal with them so we kept India open.
All utterly predictable again. |  | | |
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We have a cluster in Glasgow as well. Thanks Nicola. |
To clarify
"15 January 2021 - Suspension of all travel corridors
'Following the identification of a new Covid variant in Brazil, the government suspends all international travel corridors.
This means all passengers travelling into Scotland from outside the Common Travel Area will have to self-isolate for ten days. They also require a valid negative test."
"15 February 2021 - Hotel quarantine introduced
'All passengers travelling into Scotland from outside the Common Travel Area are told they must book and pay for managed isolation in quarantine hotels from this date.
These measures are more stringent than the UK Government’s, which require anyone travelling to the UK from a country on the “red list” to quarantine in a hotel."
These measures did not apply in England, meaning the free for all that allowed air passengers to enter England unchecked most certainly were the cause of infection in Scotland.'
When others blamed Johnsons failings, and my linking a deal Johnson was trying to cobble together with India being areas for delay, the righty indignation cranked up even further. However a few hours later the Mail now has
The figures saw Mr Johnson accused of being 'reckless, misguided and dangerous' for not shutting Britain's borders with India earlier.
The Prime Minister was criticised last night for not closing borders with India early enough, with the country only added to the UK's travel 'red list' late last month, despite earlier concerns over transmission of the fast-growing variant.
Some have suggested that Mr Johnson was keen to keep relations strong with India, having planned a visit - which subsequently had to be cancelled - as part of efforts to negotiate a post-Brexit trade deal."
So was GB's knee-jerk bleat borne of ignorance or wilful intent ?
Knave or Joker ? | | | |
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Scotland imposed quarantine requirements for air passengers.
England did not, so passengers could simply fly into England then travel onto Scotland, which is how it is thought the Indian variant got to Scotland
Putting India on the red list AFTER Johnson had allowed the variant into the UK is where the fault lies. |
Ah, that does put a slightly different complexion on things. | | | |
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| At least 400 Indian vairant cases in london on 12:08 - May 14 by StokieBlue |
Was always going to happen.
As per my post a few weeks back, the border to India should have been closed ages before (including the transiting through Turkey) although even then some cases would have already been in the UK.
The key now is that the infected people follow the rules and keep the infection within those household clusters.
I'm not hugely confident about that, especially up north where it seems to be moving towards exponential growth in places like Bolton.
SB |
And without wanting to appear incredibly non pc this is why it’s here and spreading in the first place. Infected people entering the country from India into areas of highly populated ethnic communities where they are still meeting in their large family and community groups and not following the quarantine guidelines |  |
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