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Unless I’ve misunderstood, Biden has been President for eight months or so. If he didn’t like Trumps plan he could have changed it I would suggest.
Withdrawal from Afghanistan had support from all sides in the US but the shambles of the last few days is firmly on Bidens shoulders. His comments from a few weeks ago have not aged well!
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 23:20 - Aug 15 with 2374 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 23:13 - Aug 15 by RegencyBlue
Unless I’ve misunderstood, Biden has been President for eight months or so. If he didn’t like Trumps plan he could have changed it I would suggest.
Withdrawal from Afghanistan had support from all sides in the US but the shambles of the last few days is firmly on Bidens shoulders. His comments from a few weeks ago have not aged well!
Agree, Biden shares some blame.
It was more Trump and the GOP today saying they never supported it to try and rewrite history for their supporters.
The Republicans have even deleted reference to the support of it from their website
BREAKING: The Republican Party has deleted a page from their website that pointed out that Trump wanted to pull out of Afghanistan.
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) August 15, 2021
[Post edited 15 Aug 2021 23:23]
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 23:58 - Aug 15 with 2302 views
It may have been a better more managed withdrawal rather than scuttling away overnight like what Biden did, then for the house speaker to have the bare faced cheek to say we should all commend the president for his actions.
Well done to the USAF pilot of the C-17 that took off with 800 people on board he or she has undoubtedly saved those on board from a barbaric medieval death cult.
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 08:47 - Aug 16 with 2019 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 08:16 - Aug 16 by IpswichKnight
It may have been a better more managed withdrawal rather than scuttling away overnight like what Biden did, then for the house speaker to have the bare faced cheek to say we should all commend the president for his actions.
Well done to the USAF pilot of the C-17 that took off with 800 people on board he or she has undoubtedly saved those on board from a barbaric medieval death cult.
It would have made little difference how 'managed' the withdrawal was. The underlying structure had no substance.
Lot of truth in what UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has just said: "President Biden inherited a momentum, a momentum that had been given to the Taliban because they felt they had now won, he’d also inherited a momentum of troop withdrawal from the international community, the US. So I think in that sense, the seeds of what we’re seeing today were before President Biden took office. The seeds were a peace deal that was (effectively) rushed, that wasn’t done in collaboration properly with the international community and then a dividend taken out incredibly quickly."
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 23:20 - Aug 15 by ElderGrizzly
Agree, Biden shares some blame.
It was more Trump and the GOP today saying they never supported it to try and rewrite history for their supporters.
The Republicans have even deleted reference to the support of it from their website
BREAKING: The Republican Party has deleted a page from their website that pointed out that Trump wanted to pull out of Afghanistan.
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) August 15, 2021
[Post edited 15 Aug 2021 23:23]
Noone had an issue with pulling out but the way it has been handled in the last few weeks is firmly at Bidens door.
Basically just upped and left overnight and underestimating the Taliban massively has led to the absolute mess on the ground currently.
Dig deeper and find the reports of policemen, soldiers and anyone who worked for the government being dragged from their houses and shot. They are doing this from village to village.
We and I say we as the UK must share some blame had a duty to protect those who were vulnerable due to working for us in some capacity.
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 23:58 - Aug 15 by Guthrum
Indeed Trump would have pulled the troops out three months ago.
He literally boasts about it on video a month ago
“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.â€
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 14:42 - Aug 16 by DinDjarin
Noone had an issue with pulling out but the way it has been handled in the last few weeks is firmly at Bidens door.
Basically just upped and left overnight and underestimating the Taliban massively has led to the absolute mess on the ground currently.
Dig deeper and find the reports of policemen, soldiers and anyone who worked for the government being dragged from their houses and shot. They are doing this from village to village.
We and I say we as the UK must share some blame had a duty to protect those who were vulnerable due to working for us in some capacity.
They didn't just up and leave overnight though. It had about 18 months planning. With the Afghan Government and across 2 US administrations.
And the GOP and Trump have as late as last month boasting Biden's hands were tied even if Biden will say otherwise.
It is the right decision to leave, but not in the way they have
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 10:46 - Aug 17 with 1381 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 08:16 - Aug 16 by IpswichKnight
It may have been a better more managed withdrawal rather than scuttling away overnight like what Biden did, then for the house speaker to have the bare faced cheek to say we should all commend the president for his actions.
Well done to the USAF pilot of the C-17 that took off with 800 people on board he or she has undoubtedly saved those on board from a barbaric medieval death cult.
Wonder where those on the plane will end up. More likely not to be in US but in whichever country the plane flew from with the passengers being encouraged to seek asylum.
There is likely to be a mass exodus from Afghanistan that will put pressure on many Countries, including no doubt Europe.
The fear is that it will include a number of well trained terrorists who will incite whatever community they target.
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 10:46 - Aug 17 by Pinewoodblue
Wonder where those on the plane will end up. More likely not to be in US but in whichever country the plane flew from with the passengers being encouraged to seek asylum.
There is likely to be a mass exodus from Afghanistan that will put pressure on many Countries, including no doubt Europe.
The fear is that it will include a number of well trained terrorists who will incite whatever community they target.
I think it landed in Pakistan.
What happened to 'women and children' first?
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 10:55 - Aug 17 with 1338 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 10:46 - Aug 17 by Pinewoodblue
Wonder where those on the plane will end up. More likely not to be in US but in whichever country the plane flew from with the passengers being encouraged to seek asylum.
There is likely to be a mass exodus from Afghanistan that will put pressure on many Countries, including no doubt Europe.
The fear is that it will include a number of well trained terrorists who will incite whatever community they target.
It went to Qatar. They won't want to keep them...
A US Boeing Globemaster C17 takes off from #kabulairport this evening with 640 people aboard
Here's a vid from Rachael Maddow of MSNBC. It's only 6 mins long but raises some interesting points about the corruption and misuse of US dollars and the hardware they're left behind.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 11:52 - Aug 17 by Oldsmoker
Here's a vid from Rachael Maddow of MSNBC. It's only 6 mins long but raises some interesting points about the corruption and misuse of US dollars and the hardware they're left behind.
Something that needs expanding on.
For all the obvious 'corruption' at the top in Afghanistan, what was happening in the US to allow such expenditure. Who authorised the contracts, and who got rich as a result ?
How much of ordnance sold by the west is eber accounted for once it has been sold ? Arms sold to Saidi (sunnis hooray) to oppose Iran (shia boo) have turned up in the hands of so called terrorists elsewhere in that reguiin.
While US/UK/French etc countries were earning billions in arms sales, no one was asking what happened to them. The media and social media might be swamped with folk now pointing a finger, but fark all was said up till this point when footage is now being plastered everywhere.
UK/US armed forces personnel DID NOT die to keep us safe. That is guff to justify their deaths. They were killed to keep the oil flowing, just as soldiers were also killed in WWI and WW2 in that region.
What were the Afghan wars fought about in the 19th century ?
The British trying to take schools and democracy to a 'backward' populace - or an attempt to ensure they controlled access to India and the raw materials in Southern Asia ?
A broad brush stroke over this current manifestation of the down side of global trade should not distract from the horrors and misery that will be inflicted on individual Afghanis. But as long as little is done to understand the real causes, then most will have to accept that like the western films of old the goodies will habitually be 'inconvenienced' by the baddies.
If that inconvenience is only the occasional disturbing news footage.
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 13:44 - Aug 17 with 1126 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 12:56 - Aug 17 by HARRY10
Something that needs expanding on.
For all the obvious 'corruption' at the top in Afghanistan, what was happening in the US to allow such expenditure. Who authorised the contracts, and who got rich as a result ?
How much of ordnance sold by the west is eber accounted for once it has been sold ? Arms sold to Saidi (sunnis hooray) to oppose Iran (shia boo) have turned up in the hands of so called terrorists elsewhere in that reguiin.
While US/UK/French etc countries were earning billions in arms sales, no one was asking what happened to them. The media and social media might be swamped with folk now pointing a finger, but fark all was said up till this point when footage is now being plastered everywhere.
UK/US armed forces personnel DID NOT die to keep us safe. That is guff to justify their deaths. They were killed to keep the oil flowing, just as soldiers were also killed in WWI and WW2 in that region.
What were the Afghan wars fought about in the 19th century ?
The British trying to take schools and democracy to a 'backward' populace - or an attempt to ensure they controlled access to India and the raw materials in Southern Asia ?
A broad brush stroke over this current manifestation of the down side of global trade should not distract from the horrors and misery that will be inflicted on individual Afghanis. But as long as little is done to understand the real causes, then most will have to accept that like the western films of old the goodies will habitually be 'inconvenienced' by the baddies.
If that inconvenience is only the occasional disturbing news footage.
As with most things in the US, follow the money and with Trump definitely follow the money.
" Since the collapse of the USSR at the end of 1991, U.S. oil companies and their friends in the State Department have been salivating at the prospect of gaining access to the huge oil and natural gas reserves in the former Soviet republics bordering the Caspian Sea and in Central Asia. These have been estimated as worth $4 trillion. The American Petroleum Institute calls the Caspian region "the area of greatest resource potential outside of the Middle East."
And while he was still CEO of Halliburton, the world’s biggest oil services company, Vice President Dick Cheney told other industry executives, "I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian."48 The struggle to control these stupendous resources has given rise to what Rashid has dubbed the "new Great Game," pitting shifting alliances of governments and oil and gas consortia against one another.
Afghanistan itself has no known oil or gas reserves, but it is an attractive route for pipelines leading to Pakistan, India, and the Arabian Sea. In the mid-1990s, a consortium led by the California-based Unocal Corporation proposed a $4.5 billion oil and gas pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan.50 But this would require a stable central government in Afghanistan itself. Thus began several years in which U.S. policy in the region centred on "romancing the Taliban."
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 18:35 - Aug 17 with 1012 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 18:23 - Aug 17 by HARRY10
'Follow the money'
" Since the collapse of the USSR at the end of 1991, U.S. oil companies and their friends in the State Department have been salivating at the prospect of gaining access to the huge oil and natural gas reserves in the former Soviet republics bordering the Caspian Sea and in Central Asia. These have been estimated as worth $4 trillion. The American Petroleum Institute calls the Caspian region "the area of greatest resource potential outside of the Middle East."
And while he was still CEO of Halliburton, the world’s biggest oil services company, Vice President Dick Cheney told other industry executives, "I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian."48 The struggle to control these stupendous resources has given rise to what Rashid has dubbed the "new Great Game," pitting shifting alliances of governments and oil and gas consortia against one another.
Afghanistan itself has no known oil or gas reserves, but it is an attractive route for pipelines leading to Pakistan, India, and the Arabian Sea. In the mid-1990s, a consortium led by the California-based Unocal Corporation proposed a $4.5 billion oil and gas pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan.50 But this would require a stable central government in Afghanistan itself. Thus began several years in which U.S. policy in the region centred on "romancing the Taliban."
The USA has about 5 years of oil in the ground at the rate they use it. If the USA didn't have access to OIl their military would be useless. Trump might have wanted the USA to be self-dependant on Oil with his "America First" plan but those with brains knew that it could never be the case. Biden has asked the Saudis/OPEC to increase production because of this. They want to use the oil from anywhere but America. If the USA lose their strategic Oil partners then one of those 'partners' can expect a regime change.
Beau explains it all here.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
What is disturbing about the above clip is not what he is saying, but that so many over there, and here, do not grasp what is a very simple concept. Were they to do so, it might then lead to the grasp that it is the interest of the US and others to keep that region volatile.
A Sunni Saudi Arabia with a Shiite Iran as a neighbour may well see the military might of the US as something to value. However, to stop that relationship being too one sided Saudi might encourage enough nutters to pose a threat to the US and others as a bit of leverage.
You don't need to be Machiavelli to work out any of this. If you are not bright enough to do so, then it is very unlikely that you are involved in defence or foreign affairs for any of those countries, or others.
For a long while, that was the purpose of allowing Russia to have Yemen as it's base. Kept the Saudis in their toes, as I have no doubt it still does.
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Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 19:58 - Aug 17 with 948 views
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 19:43 - Aug 17 by HARRY10
What is disturbing about the above clip is not what he is saying, but that so many over there, and here, do not grasp what is a very simple concept. Were they to do so, it might then lead to the grasp that it is the interest of the US and others to keep that region volatile.
A Sunni Saudi Arabia with a Shiite Iran as a neighbour may well see the military might of the US as something to value. However, to stop that relationship being too one sided Saudi might encourage enough nutters to pose a threat to the US and others as a bit of leverage.
You don't need to be Machiavelli to work out any of this. If you are not bright enough to do so, then it is very unlikely that you are involved in defence or foreign affairs for any of those countries, or others.
For a long while, that was the purpose of allowing Russia to have Yemen as it's base. Kept the Saudis in their toes, as I have no doubt it still does.
There has never been, and never will be, a Sunni Saudi Arabia. The Saudis version of Islam is Wahhabism. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Anyone who does not follow the strict code of Wahhabism such as Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites etc. are all heathens and therefore enemies.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
Trump blaming Biden for the Afghanistan plan on 19:58 - Aug 17 by Oldsmoker
There has never been, and never will be, a Sunni Saudi Arabia. The Saudis version of Islam is Wahhabism. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Anyone who does not follow the strict code of Wahhabism such as Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites etc. are all heathens and therefore enemies.
Those who adhere to wahhabism in Saudi are in the minority, the rest are Sunnis, with a few Shia.
It is the ruling families who are wahhabist, hence my comment elsewhere that if the west really wish to deal with terrorism' coming from the Middle East they should invade Saudi and remove the wahhabis.
However I would suggest that these various factions of mumbo jumbo are merely used as a means to retain power for the ruling elite in each country. And it is the interest of the west to ensure there is a constant state of flux, so as to stop, any one 'coalition' of states becoming powerful enough to challenge the west, as with OPEC in the early 70's.
It is what lies behind much of what is seen as terrorism in that region, as young muslims are taught that the west are unbelievers who are stealing their wealth, oil. To highlight how much of an unbeliever the west is, strict adherence to certain aspects of Islamic belief are preached and enforced so as to exaggerate the difference.
And as with elsewhere and before, it is those at the bottom who suffer the most, and those at the bottom who are also the most fervent in their support for something that is not in their interest.
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