| NEW! Fun-size HS2 12:40 - Nov 18 with 820 views | Guthrum |
Perfect for your Red Wall lunchbox*.
* May be smaller and less satisfying than you thought. |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 12:53 - Nov 18 with 763 views | itfcjoe |
The 8 red wall seats between Birmingham and Leeds that were due to be disrupted without any stations being in them will probably be quite happy |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:02 - Nov 18 with 748 views | Guthrum |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 12:53 - Nov 18 by itfcjoe |
The 8 red wall seats between Birmingham and Leeds that were due to be disrupted without any stations being in them will probably be quite happy |
Have to admit, I never thought, overall, HS2 was a particularly good idea, or use of resources. However, the bits which are being cut or reduced - including the cross-Pennine routes - are some of those most urgently needed.
Plus, having created all these ructions, we're now going to be left with a rump scheme whic doesn't really satisfy any of the needs, just makes it quicker to get from London to Birmingham (not convinced the Crewe and Manchester sections will ever go ahead, either). | |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:06 - Nov 18 with 720 views | footers |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:02 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Have to admit, I never thought, overall, HS2 was a particularly good idea, or use of resources. However, the bits which are being cut or reduced - including the cross-Pennine routes - are some of those most urgently needed.
Plus, having created all these ructions, we're now going to be left with a rump scheme whic doesn't really satisfy any of the needs, just makes it quicker to get from London to Birmingham (not convinced the Crewe and Manchester sections will ever go ahead, either). |
A better rail network in the north would have been far better (and cheaper), imo. The London-Birmingham, London-Manchester services are already fast enough without HS2.
A comprehensive overhaul of the entire rail network to high-speed electric would also be very welcome but that would mean the Tories not playing the pork barrel politics game. |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:12 - Nov 18 with 693 views | homer_123 |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:02 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Have to admit, I never thought, overall, HS2 was a particularly good idea, or use of resources. However, the bits which are being cut or reduced - including the cross-Pennine routes - are some of those most urgently needed.
Plus, having created all these ructions, we're now going to be left with a rump scheme whic doesn't really satisfy any of the needs, just makes it quicker to get from London to Birmingham (not convinced the Crewe and Manchester sections will ever go ahead, either). |
It was always the case that the bits away from London to Birmingham were the most crucial and value add sections of HS2.
It was always going to be the case that these never went ahead. |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:13 - Nov 18 with 694 views | Ftnfwest |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:06 - Nov 18 by footers |
A better rail network in the north would have been far better (and cheaper), imo. The London-Birmingham, London-Manchester services are already fast enough without HS2.
A comprehensive overhaul of the entire rail network to high-speed electric would also be very welcome but that would mean the Tories not playing the pork barrel politics game. |
Working in construction i'm always convinced that the industry has to always have at least one major scheme happening to keep it going full tilt. Henceforth Channel Tunnel, Heathrow extensions, Olympics, cross rail (whenever it finally opens), HS2 etc (Boris' London Airport island...) Never saw the benefit particularly in HS2 for the money and destruction it causes. |  | | |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:21 - Nov 18 with 653 views | Pinewoodblue |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:12 - Nov 18 by homer_123 |
It was always the case that the bits away from London to Birmingham were the most crucial and value add sections of HS2.
It was always going to be the case that these never went ahead. |
Not sure how many people in the North, or Midlands really wanted HS2. Would prefer increased investment on local services, or between major cities in their area.
Trans-pennine services are supposedly increasing capacity three fold which seems more important than getting to and from London quicker. |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:40 - Nov 18 with 615 views | Steve_M |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:06 - Nov 18 by footers |
A better rail network in the north would have been far better (and cheaper), imo. The London-Birmingham, London-Manchester services are already fast enough without HS2.
A comprehensive overhaul of the entire rail network to high-speed electric would also be very welcome but that would mean the Tories not playing the pork barrel politics game. |
Putting a new rail line in allows for the capacity of existing services to increase - because local trains are not then competing with fast commuter trains for track access - so HS2 was badly miss-sold to the public from the off. It shouldn't have been mainly about speed.
I agree that the rail infrastructure outside of main lines to London is largely poor and needs increased spending (and for it to actually happen not be cancelled like the East Midlands electrification) but bits of high speed line with gaps after them are a total mess. Another half-arsed saving from Sunak's arse. |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 14:03 - Nov 18 with 564 views | Steve_M |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:40 - Nov 18 by Steve_M |
Putting a new rail line in allows for the capacity of existing services to increase - because local trains are not then competing with fast commuter trains for track access - so HS2 was badly miss-sold to the public from the off. It shouldn't have been mainly about speed.
I agree that the rail infrastructure outside of main lines to London is largely poor and needs increased spending (and for it to actually happen not be cancelled like the East Midlands electrification) but bits of high speed line with gaps after them are a total mess. Another half-arsed saving from Sunak's arse. |
Stephen Bush critiques it much better than me:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/transport-politics/2021/11/rishi-sunaks-tr | |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 15:18 - Nov 18 with 524 views | EdwardStone |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:02 - Nov 18 by Guthrum |
Have to admit, I never thought, overall, HS2 was a particularly good idea, or use of resources. However, the bits which are being cut or reduced - including the cross-Pennine routes - are some of those most urgently needed.
Plus, having created all these ructions, we're now going to be left with a rump scheme whic doesn't really satisfy any of the needs, just makes it quicker to get from London to Birmingham (not convinced the Crewe and Manchester sections will ever go ahead, either). |
France ...big empty country with population based mainly in towns and cities
Spain....big empty country with population based mainly in towns and cities
Both ideal for HS trains
England....small country denesley populated with a myriad of small, medium and large towns...some cities, some huge conurbations
Not so ideal for HS trains
Also, I suspect most rail users want frequent reliable trains, not a few prestige expresses every 3 hours |  | | |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 15:34 - Nov 18 with 503 views | Darth_Koont |
File with “Northern Powerhouse”, “Levelling up” and any other claim of regenerative, redistributive policies.
Ultimately, it’s all empty guff and there’s actually next to zero political will for any of this. It’s the illusion of doing something that counts. |  |
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| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 15:38 - Nov 18 with 500 views | tractordownsouth |
| NEW! Fun-size HS2 on 13:21 - Nov 18 by Pinewoodblue |
Not sure how many people in the North, or Midlands really wanted HS2. Would prefer increased investment on local services, or between major cities in their area.
Trans-pennine services are supposedly increasing capacity three fold which seems more important than getting to and from London quicker. |
HS2 could have been a good way of combatting regional inequalities but it's really not done it. There's nothing for the South West and because transport isn't fully devolved, Wales isn't getting anything either. These are two of the worst areas in the country - surely they could have been given some money to develop bus and train links while much of the North/Midlands is getting HS2. |  |
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