| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? 15:03 - May 13 with 2745 views | Keno |
if they won't help form a government cos they came second that isnt very Democratic is it |  |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:11 - May 13 with 2247 views | blueasfook |
Funny that - Like the Liberal "Democrats" under senile leader Vince Cable, who wanted to simply cancel Brexit - despite it being voted for by the British public.
It seems any party with the word Democrat in their name, is exactly the opposite. |  |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:39 - May 13 with 2165 views | Keno |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:22 - May 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“Democratic” Peoples Republic of Korea |
dont you mean the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:42 - May 13 with 2160 views | blueasfook |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:39 - May 13 by Keno |
dont you mean the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:43 - May 13 with 2155 views | Keno |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:42 - May 13 by blueasfook |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 16:35 - May 13 with 2108 views | HARRY10 |
The thing is righties don't like democracy - their view is we should all doff our caps to our betters, and be grateful for whatever comes out way
There's another rightie in the US who is currently blocking the democratic process, just as righties tried to block the sovereignty of Parliament, even going as far as to close Parliament
They even claimed that an advisory vote, is a mandate
Don't worry, they will be defeated |  | | |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 11:29 - May 14 with 1998 views | bluejacko |
I don’t think you will find it’s about coming second at all! It’s about still being proud to be British and not having to be subject to the EU. And before you start the majority of people over here do still want to be British but that’s a concept that’s a bit strange for some on here to contend with. | | | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 11:50 - May 14 with 1975 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 11:29 - May 14 by bluejacko |
I don’t think you will find it’s about coming second at all! It’s about still being proud to be British and not having to be subject to the EU. And before you start the majority of people over here do still want to be British but that’s a concept that’s a bit strange for some on here to contend with. |
They are that proud to be British that they are refusing to respect the result of a democratically held election that took part in the United Kingdom.
Sinn Fein are proud to be Irish, but have accepted the results of democratically held elections in Northern Ireland and been involved in a power sharing arrangement with unionists since the Good Friday agreement.
This has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with them being sore losers. |  |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:02 - May 14 with 1953 views | Keno |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 11:29 - May 14 by bluejacko |
I don’t think you will find it’s about coming second at all! It’s about still being proud to be British and not having to be subject to the EU. And before you start the majority of people over here do still want to be British but that’s a concept that’s a bit strange for some on here to contend with. |
But surely they want to be British that means adding by the laws and rules set down by that government??
also, lets not forget they were happy to support the UK government when they were being bribed to do so.
and I suspect if there was a free and democratic vote of the future of Northern Ireland it would be very close, which ultimately is what the DUP are afraid of. | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:04 - May 14 with 1946 views | Keno |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 11:50 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
They are that proud to be British that they are refusing to respect the result of a democratically held election that took part in the United Kingdom.
Sinn Fein are proud to be Irish, but have accepted the results of democratically held elections in Northern Ireland and been involved in a power sharing arrangement with unionists since the Good Friday agreement.
This has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with them being sore losers. |
when you say "Sinn Fein are proud to be Irish, but have accepted the results of democratically" dont forget the years they had to accept some fairly undemocratic results as well!! | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:08 - May 14 with 1935 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:04 - May 14 by Keno |
when you say "Sinn Fein are proud to be Irish, but have accepted the results of democratically" dont forget the years they had to accept some fairly undemocratic results as well!! |
But then we have to delve into their relationship with the Provisional IRA at a time when they were blowing the limbs off men women and children both in Northern Ireland and the mainland UK.
I'm restricting my views in this thread to Sinn Fein's behavior since the Good Friday agreement and their willingness to participate in the democratic process whilst sharing power in the executive with the Unionists. | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:14 - May 14 with 1917 views | Keno |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:08 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
But then we have to delve into their relationship with the Provisional IRA at a time when they were blowing the limbs off men women and children both in Northern Ireland and the mainland UK.
I'm restricting my views in this thread to Sinn Fein's behavior since the Good Friday agreement and their willingness to participate in the democratic process whilst sharing power in the executive with the Unionists. |
I'm not going to argue with there, things happened on both sides which shouldn't done and its a very different world since the Good Friday agreement
This is why the whole, and totally predictable, aftermath of Brexit is so annoying and worrying.
Its a phrase that has been attributed to a few of the leading politicians over there (and other places) but ;there comes a time we have to realise that whats happened tomorrow is more tomorrow than happened yesterday" | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:53 - May 14 with 1875 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 12:14 - May 14 by Keno |
I'm not going to argue with there, things happened on both sides which shouldn't done and its a very different world since the Good Friday agreement
This is why the whole, and totally predictable, aftermath of Brexit is so annoying and worrying.
Its a phrase that has been attributed to a few of the leading politicians over there (and other places) but ;there comes a time we have to realise that whats happened tomorrow is more tomorrow than happened yesterday" |
It remains the case, as pointed out by so many even before June 2016, that Brexit means only 3 options when it comes to Ireland and borders:
1. UK has a customs union arrangement with EU, and largely stays in the single market. Job done.
If UK leaves SM and CU, then there are still 2 options:
2. Border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. But this appears to contravene the Good Friday Agreement, and has got the Americans very, very cross even at the thought of it.
3. Border in the Irish Sea, so NI effectively remains in the SM and CU. Good for their economy, and supported by parties who won 60% of the votes in their recent election. But unacceptable to the DUP and UK govt.
There could be a 4th option, but it seems improbable (er, won't happen). That one requires EU to ignore their treaty with UK and not impose a border.
Unfortunately, the UK govt have realised that they need to keep the pot boiling so they can guarantee supportive Brexity headlines ahead of the next election. So, they don't want this resolved. And they don't give a monkey's about consequences for NI or its people. | | | |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 13:29 - May 14 with 1850 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 15:11 - May 13 by blueasfook |
Funny that - Like the Liberal "Democrats" under senile leader Vince Cable, who wanted to simply cancel Brexit - despite it being voted for by the British public.
It seems any party with the word Democrat in their name, is exactly the opposite. |
If they had been democratically elected you mean?
Since when was democracy a once-and-for-all decision? You seem to confuse it with dictatorship.
A democratically elected party that took us back into the EU would be more democratic than a party who keeps saying "Get Brexit done" because of a historic vote that the electorate and populace are no longer supportive of. |  |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 13:37 - May 14 with 1829 views | solemio |
I think the greatest misnomer is the Democratic Republic of Congo. | | | |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:07 - May 14 with 1747 views | blueasfook |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 13:29 - May 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If they had been democratically elected you mean?
Since when was democracy a once-and-for-all decision? You seem to confuse it with dictatorship.
A democratically elected party that took us back into the EU would be more democratic than a party who keeps saying "Get Brexit done" because of a historic vote that the electorate and populace are no longer supportive of. |
Rather presumptuous of you to speak for the whole electorate.
Mad Vince's policy won the Lib Dems a mere 11 seats at the last election so that tells me there wasnt a lot of support for his policy of simply cancelling Brexit.
Under Ed Davey, the policy has now changed anyway to just rejoining the single market but still remaining outside of the EU. Though that very much depends on the EU saying "yes" to that of course. | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:11 - May 14 with 1733 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:07 - May 14 by blueasfook |
Rather presumptuous of you to speak for the whole electorate.
Mad Vince's policy won the Lib Dems a mere 11 seats at the last election so that tells me there wasnt a lot of support for his policy of simply cancelling Brexit.
Under Ed Davey, the policy has now changed anyway to just rejoining the single market but still remaining outside of the EU. Though that very much depends on the EU saying "yes" to that of course. |
The presumption would be on the condition these policies won elections!
They didn't so it was democratic. If they do in the future then it will be. Simple really.
(Although the real complication is that elections are won by a party with less than 50% of the vote and on a whole host of issues and not just one.) | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:16 - May 14 with 1710 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:07 - May 14 by blueasfook |
Rather presumptuous of you to speak for the whole electorate.
Mad Vince's policy won the Lib Dems a mere 11 seats at the last election so that tells me there wasnt a lot of support for his policy of simply cancelling Brexit.
Under Ed Davey, the policy has now changed anyway to just rejoining the single market but still remaining outside of the EU. Though that very much depends on the EU saying "yes" to that of course. |
Jo Swinson. | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:16 - May 14 with 1707 views | blueasfook |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:11 - May 14 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The presumption would be on the condition these policies won elections!
They didn't so it was democratic. If they do in the future then it will be. Simple really.
(Although the real complication is that elections are won by a party with less than 50% of the vote and on a whole host of issues and not just one.) |
The last election was fought purely around Brexit. It was called for the specific purpose of breaking the Brexit deadlock in parliament, aided and abetted by poisonous dwarf Jon Bercow mind but nevertheless... | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:18 - May 14 with 1696 views | blueasfook |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:16 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Jo Swinson. |
What about her? | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:24 - May 14 with 1677 views | dickie |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:16 - May 14 by blueasfook |
The last election was fought purely around Brexit. It was called for the specific purpose of breaking the Brexit deadlock in parliament, aided and abetted by poisonous dwarf Jon Bercow mind but nevertheless... |
Just out of interest, what have the benefits of brexit been? | | | |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:34 - May 14 with 1657 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:18 - May 14 by blueasfook |
What about her? |
She was the leader of the Lib Dems at the last election. | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:37 - May 14 with 1642 views | blueasfook |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:34 - May 14 by GlasgowBlue |
She was the leader of the Lib Dems at the last election. |
Yes but it was still their policy to cancel Brexit was it not? | |
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| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:38 - May 14 with 1641 views | blueasfook |
| Should the DUP now just be called the UP? on 14:24 - May 14 by dickie |
Just out of interest, what have the benefits of brexit been? |
Blue passports!! | |
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