| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:43 - May 24 with 2148 views | chicoazul |
I agree it’s here to stay but how do you do an internship or apprenticeship or an entry level sales role if your managers are all working from home? |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:44 - May 24 with 2137 views | homer_123 |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:43 - May 24 by chicoazul |
I agree it’s here to stay but how do you do an internship or apprenticeship or an entry level sales role if your managers are all working from home? |
It's all about new ways of working and collaborating in different ways.....for many of our clients it is working incredibly well. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:44 - May 24 with 2124 views | chicoazul |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:44 - May 24 by homer_123 |
It's all about new ways of working and collaborating in different ways.....for many of our clients it is working incredibly well. |
I understand the sales pitch but I don’t see how it works in practice. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:46 - May 24 with 2112 views | Dubtractor |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:43 - May 24 by chicoazul |
I agree it’s here to stay but how do you do an internship or apprenticeship or an entry level sales role if your managers are all working from home? |
You'll note the thread title is hybrid working, not wfh.
Fwiw I think hybrid working needs to be something close to 50/50 office vs wfh for exactly the reasons you highlight. Its a generalisation, but whilst more senior staff can thrive wfh, more junior staff need a bit more hands on support to develop. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:47 - May 24 with 2103 views | homer_123 |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:44 - May 24 by chicoazul |
I understand the sales pitch but I don’t see how it works in practice. |
It's not a sales pitch.
It 'is' working. Managers are just getting on with it and onboarding (a term I hate) people into their new roles, regular 1:1s over Teams/ Zoom - in fact there is more manager/direct report interaction happening when remote working vs being in the office.
Managers are communication more, teams are collaborating more. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:48 - May 24 with 2087 views | chicoazul |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:46 - May 24 by Dubtractor |
You'll note the thread title is hybrid working, not wfh.
Fwiw I think hybrid working needs to be something close to 50/50 office vs wfh for exactly the reasons you highlight. Its a generalisation, but whilst more senior staff can thrive wfh, more junior staff need a bit more hands on support to develop. |
Fair comment in your first point.
And yes if you’re established in your career and have a nice home with room for an office, or have access to five or so nice coffee shops or WeWork or whatever the equivalent is called these days I am all for it. I don’t see how you can get embedded in an organisation at entry level though. But I am an old fart who can barely work Facebook and TWTD never mind anything else. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:49 - May 24 with 2074 views | J2BLUE |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:47 - May 24 by homer_123 |
It's not a sales pitch.
It 'is' working. Managers are just getting on with it and onboarding (a term I hate) people into their new roles, regular 1:1s over Teams/ Zoom - in fact there is more manager/direct report interaction happening when remote working vs being in the office.
Managers are communication more, teams are collaborating more. |
My job works very well over Slack. Part of a good team. There is zero reason we need to be in the same office.
Some of us aren't even on the same continent. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:50 - May 24 with 2054 views | DanTheMan |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:46 - May 24 by Dubtractor |
You'll note the thread title is hybrid working, not wfh.
Fwiw I think hybrid working needs to be something close to 50/50 office vs wfh for exactly the reasons you highlight. Its a generalisation, but whilst more senior staff can thrive wfh, more junior staff need a bit more hands on support to develop. |
Think it also depends on the job.
In my own field, you can remotely mentor people quite easily with the right tools and a bit of effort even if it's easier in an office environment.
The weird obsession the Tories have with people being in an office is just weird. I don't understand why they wouldn't be for it, it's an easy win in terms of lessening load on infrastructure for example. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:52 - May 24 with 2045 views | chicoazul |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:50 - May 24 by DanTheMan |
Think it also depends on the job.
In my own field, you can remotely mentor people quite easily with the right tools and a bit of effort even if it's easier in an office environment.
The weird obsession the Tories have with people being in an office is just weird. I don't understand why they wouldn't be for it, it's an easy win in terms of lessening load on infrastructure for example. |
Because many Tory donors are commercial landlords and newspaper proprietors and they’re getting slowly murdered at the moment. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:53 - May 24 with 2039 views | chicoazul |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:47 - May 24 by homer_123 |
It's not a sales pitch.
It 'is' working. Managers are just getting on with it and onboarding (a term I hate) people into their new roles, regular 1:1s over Teams/ Zoom - in fact there is more manager/direct report interaction happening when remote working vs being in the office.
Managers are communication more, teams are collaborating more. |
So productivity is proven to rise in these environments? I promise I’m not being obtuse I’m genuinely interested. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:53 - May 24 with 2034 views | J2BLUE |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:52 - May 24 by chicoazul |
Because many Tory donors are commercial landlords and newspaper proprietors and they’re getting slowly murdered at the moment. |
Good. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:55 - May 24 with 2010 views | monytowbray |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:43 - May 24 by chicoazul |
I agree it’s here to stay but how do you do an internship or apprenticeship or an entry level sales role if your managers are all working from home? |
“Hybrid” working.
Hint is in the name. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:55 - May 24 with 2016 views | DanTheMan |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:52 - May 24 by chicoazul |
Because many Tory donors are commercial landlords and newspaper proprietors and they’re getting slowly murdered at the moment. |
You're probably right but we're past the point of no return.
In my field pretty much all jobs are remote or partially remote. Any where they are not are either going to have to pay substantially more to deal with the lost time and commuting costs or will just have to deal with whatever is left. There are a lot of jobs and not a lot of people to fill them.
And quite frankly, those people can get stuffed. [Post edited 24 May 2022 10:55]
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:58 - May 24 with 1998 views | StokieBlue |
Hybrid working is definitely here to stay.
I'm currently 3/2 which works well as you have 3 days to work with colleagues and discuss things (many of which would be very difficult on Zoom) and the other 2 days just to get on with things at home.
I did notice that Pret have opened up in Stokie this week (something some of the more vocal locals would have been strongly against previously) so I think companies are also changing their business models and distribution of shops to account for hybrid working as well as locals changing their attitudes.
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:59 - May 24 with 1979 views | chicoazul |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:55 - May 24 by DanTheMan |
You're probably right but we're past the point of no return.
In my field pretty much all jobs are remote or partially remote. Any where they are not are either going to have to pay substantially more to deal with the lost time and commuting costs or will just have to deal with whatever is left. There are a lot of jobs and not a lot of people to fill them.
And quite frankly, those people can get stuffed. [Post edited 24 May 2022 10:55]
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Do you have much experience in your role with new starters out of Uni or whatever? How have they found it? As compared to your own experience when you were that age. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:01 - May 24 with 1983 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
There’s a lot of pushback from executive level as well. I cannot see why, given it can lower the expense base in terms of expensive office space. My gut feeling is it is lack of trust, despite two years of people working from home and turning in more hours than ever.
That said the buoyant job market has forced their hand to accept hybrid (for now at least). |  | | |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:13 - May 24 with 1932 views | monytowbray |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:55 - May 24 by DanTheMan |
You're probably right but we're past the point of no return.
In my field pretty much all jobs are remote or partially remote. Any where they are not are either going to have to pay substantially more to deal with the lost time and commuting costs or will just have to deal with whatever is left. There are a lot of jobs and not a lot of people to fill them.
And quite frankly, those people can get stuffed. [Post edited 24 May 2022 10:55]
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Alan Sugar (title dropped intentionally) has been at the forefront of this movement. “GOOD LAD DONE WELL” PR story which may have rang true in his younger years. These days he is the elite, and the whole ‘cocky London market stall bloke in a suit” act is a disguise for the fact he’s a terrible boss/human, his conduct is very dated in the modern professional workplace and most his money is wrapped up in the exact kind of businesses you’d associate with an evil land barron in a Disney film.
Which is my long way of saying “all his money is in corporate property, don’t be an idiot and believe this desperate self-serving take is a smart businessman who understands the economy because he doesn’t.”
Reality TV has a lot to answer for. [Post edited 24 May 2022 11:15]
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:22 - May 24 with 1905 views | Steve_M |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:43 - May 24 by chicoazul |
I agree it’s here to stay but how do you do an internship or apprenticeship or an entry level sales role if your managers are all working from home? |
Well, I did state hybrid working rather than WFH. Personally, I think that needs core office days each week with majority attendance not a hot-desked, cost-saving approach.
Three core days in should allow enough support for junior staff, granted that five would be better but it seems a better compromise. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:24 - May 24 with 1893 views | tractorboy1978 |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:46 - May 24 by Dubtractor |
You'll note the thread title is hybrid working, not wfh.
Fwiw I think hybrid working needs to be something close to 50/50 office vs wfh for exactly the reasons you highlight. Its a generalisation, but whilst more senior staff can thrive wfh, more junior staff need a bit more hands on support to develop. |
I can only speak for my field, but for it to be at all workable you need set days when everyone is in - which rarely if ever happens as people want the flexibility of being able to come in when they choose.
I understand the benefits of hybrid working and I've experienced them myself, but for the most part I've found it extremely difficult I must admit. My employer has reduced office space and wanting to go into the office is seen as an inconvenience now. It's cr@p if you are someone that enjoyed being in a vibrant office and amongst people. | | | |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:25 - May 24 with 1896 views | BiGDonnie |
I've been back in the office full time for ages now.
75% of my team are also. I'll be completely honest, the 25% are harder to manage and generally not as productive. We can't make them come in, as much as we'd like too.
We won't be offering remote working to new candidates unless there's another pandemic. |  |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:28 - May 24 with 1875 views | BiGDonnie |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 10:58 - May 24 by StokieBlue |
Hybrid working is definitely here to stay.
I'm currently 3/2 which works well as you have 3 days to work with colleagues and discuss things (many of which would be very difficult on Zoom) and the other 2 days just to get on with things at home.
I did notice that Pret have opened up in Stokie this week (something some of the more vocal locals would have been strongly against previously) so I think companies are also changing their business models and distribution of shops to account for hybrid working as well as locals changing their attitudes.
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Get yourself on the coffee subscription, SB! | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:28 - May 24 with 1882 views | J2BLUE |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:25 - May 24 by BiGDonnie |
I've been back in the office full time for ages now.
75% of my team are also. I'll be completely honest, the 25% are harder to manage and generally not as productive. We can't make them come in, as much as we'd like too.
We won't be offering remote working to new candidates unless there's another pandemic. |
Manage them better then. Seems a bit lazy to take the easy option to blame them. Do you know for a fact they are less productive or are you guessing? | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:30 - May 24 with 1860 views | BiGDonnie |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:28 - May 24 by J2BLUE |
Manage them better then. Seems a bit lazy to take the easy option to blame them. Do you know for a fact they are less productive or are you guessing? |
LOL, guessing. | |
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:30 - May 24 with 1858 views | monytowbray |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:22 - May 24 by Steve_M |
Well, I did state hybrid working rather than WFH. Personally, I think that needs core office days each week with majority attendance not a hot-desked, cost-saving approach.
Three core days in should allow enough support for junior staff, granted that five would be better but it seems a better compromise. |
If I ran a staffed business I’d have an office that can seat 20% of the entire company and rotate the days in weekly/fortnightly based on teams. Kinda like a weekly scrum in the agile method of working to ensure all are on the same page and any questions/work that needs face to face commitments can be planned in for that day.
Alas I am a one man sole trader working from home at all times in Ipswich, part time, and am making around the same money I made full time in London. I am much happier, have more money staying in my own pocket from reduced commuting and local living needs, get more leisure time back and waste less time too. Even little things like not being so busy/tired to miss my fitness regime or skipping cooking healthy food in favour of eating out have all had a noticeable positive direction change since WFH.
How many of you are currently sat in an office on here because you are killing time? You have to stay at your desk so your boss gets perceived time value out of you. Where’s the initiative to work smart and be more productive in that system? Wouldn’t you rather know if you get 12 hours worth of work done today with the time you waste on here you could do a half day tomorrow? [Post edited 24 May 2022 11:38]
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| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:38 - May 24 with 1796 views | J2BLUE |
| ONS Survey on Hybrid Working on 11:30 - May 24 by monytowbray |
If I ran a staffed business I’d have an office that can seat 20% of the entire company and rotate the days in weekly/fortnightly based on teams. Kinda like a weekly scrum in the agile method of working to ensure all are on the same page and any questions/work that needs face to face commitments can be planned in for that day.
Alas I am a one man sole trader working from home at all times in Ipswich, part time, and am making around the same money I made full time in London. I am much happier, have more money staying in my own pocket from reduced commuting and local living needs, get more leisure time back and waste less time too. Even little things like not being so busy/tired to miss my fitness regime or skipping cooking healthy food in favour of eating out have all had a noticeable positive direction change since WFH.
How many of you are currently sat in an office on here because you are killing time? You have to stay at your desk so your boss gets perceived time value out of you. Where’s the initiative to work smart and be more productive in that system? Wouldn’t you rather know if you get 12 hours worth of work done today with the time you waste on here you could do a half day tomorrow? [Post edited 24 May 2022 11:38]
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There's this belief among the older generations that just working harder will see all of that sweet profit trickling down to those who deserve it. It's bullsh1t and i'm so pleased our generation realised it and are telling them to go f##k themselves.
Then they bitch and lie to protect their own self interests like that **** Sugar. | |
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