| Politicians .....never believe them! 20:51 - May 31 with 2404 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/31/boris-johnson-dishonesty-k
"And it brings us to Starmer’s leadership campaign — that is, the means by which he won the confidence of sufficient Labour members to place him in the position of potential prime minister. Last week, it was reported that Starmer is likely to abandon the party’s commitment to raise income tax on those earning more than £80,000 a year: that is, the top 5% of earners. Yet, during the leadership campaign, Starmer issued a document known as the 10 Pledges. The first of those pledges — still live on Starmer’s website — under the heading “Economic justice”, is “Increase income tax for the top 5% of earners”, driving it home with a final flourish: “No stepping back from our core principles.” Such was the Starmer campaign’s emphasis on this pledge that one of his key aides personally rang me up to underline its cast-iron nature."
Suck it up...
But whatever happens next, ask yourself truthfully: if you care about Johnson’s dishonesty but dismiss Starmer’s, then do you really care about dishonesty at all, or do you just resent being on the receiving end of it? And when you answer — unlike Britain’s two leading politicians — try to be honest. [Post edited 31 May 2022 20:54]
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:04 - May 31 with 1331 views | jaykay |
so someone actually being dishonest and someone likely to be dishonest are the same.
where was it reported that labour will not raise the tax on those earning over £80000 ? |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:05 - May 31 with 1332 views | GlasgowBlue |
Typical ignorant rightie trying to deflect the porky bloated buffoon’s lies on to Starmer. |  |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:08 - May 31 with 1334 views | MattinLondon |
So you’re damning Starmer on something which he has t done or may not do - at the moment it’s just not a lot. |  | | |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:12 - May 31 with 1313 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Owen is getting a little ahead of himself don't you think? The article he references (another opinion piece) headlines the dropping of Corbyn's tax increase for the top 5% but also goes on to say, in a piece largely about Johnson's and Sunak's woes, that Labour is "tightly costing its plans, wooing business and promising “fairer” but smarter taxes on the richest."
So no increase in taxes for the richest or an increase in taxes for the richest? I'm none the wiser having read both pieces.
There's no bringing the dear leader back no matter how much Owen Jones may want it. And the primary problem is Johnson, I'll deal with Starmer when I've seen what he does in office (assuming Durham police don't prevent that possibility). |  |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:14 - May 31 with 1305 views | J2BLUE |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:12 - May 31 by You_Bloo_Right |
Owen is getting a little ahead of himself don't you think? The article he references (another opinion piece) headlines the dropping of Corbyn's tax increase for the top 5% but also goes on to say, in a piece largely about Johnson's and Sunak's woes, that Labour is "tightly costing its plans, wooing business and promising “fairer” but smarter taxes on the richest."
So no increase in taxes for the richest or an increase in taxes for the richest? I'm none the wiser having read both pieces.
There's no bringing the dear leader back no matter how much Owen Jones may want it. And the primary problem is Johnson, I'll deal with Starmer when I've seen what he does in office (assuming Durham police don't prevent that possibility). |
One thing Starmer needs to do and do quickly is become more decisive. If he's PM he won't be able to take 3 weeks to think about what his opinion is every time he's asked. |  |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:15 - May 31 with 1303 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:08 - May 31 by MattinLondon |
So you’re damning Starmer on something which he has t done or may not do - at the moment it’s just not a lot. |
It’s been the playbook for years.
Corbyn got the brunt of it. Starmer is still getting it, despite Labour policies eventually winding up as Tory ones because everyone can see how much better they are and are forcing the govt to continuously flip flop.
And the serious pre-election smear campaign hasn’t even got going yet. |  |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:19 - May 31 with 1284 views | MattinLondon |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:15 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s been the playbook for years.
Corbyn got the brunt of it. Starmer is still getting it, despite Labour policies eventually winding up as Tory ones because everyone can see how much better they are and are forcing the govt to continuously flip flop.
And the serious pre-election smear campaign hasn’t even got going yet. |
But I understand the muck-spreading of Tories, as well as by their supporters in the media. But, you think those who state that they don’t support the Tories would hold-fire until after he is elected (if he is elected) and after he has implemented his first set of policies. | | | |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:23 - May 31 with 1263 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:19 - May 31 by MattinLondon |
But I understand the muck-spreading of Tories, as well as by their supporters in the media. But, you think those who state that they don’t support the Tories would hold-fire until after he is elected (if he is elected) and after he has implemented his first set of policies. |
It's a little rich of Owen Jones to talk about resentment IMO. The man has an axe to grind. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:23 - May 31 with 1261 views | unbelievablue |
He's become a parody of himself.
Edit - erm, Jones I mean. Although cases can be made for those referenced and, indeed, those commenting... :) [Post edited 31 May 2022 21:26]
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:29 - May 31 with 1233 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:05 - May 31 by GlasgowBlue |
Typical ignorant rightie trying to deflect the porky bloated buffoon’s lies on to Starmer. |
@narchistsRus…it’s a cross I have to bear! | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:33 - May 31 with 1230 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:12 - May 31 by You_Bloo_Right |
Owen is getting a little ahead of himself don't you think? The article he references (another opinion piece) headlines the dropping of Corbyn's tax increase for the top 5% but also goes on to say, in a piece largely about Johnson's and Sunak's woes, that Labour is "tightly costing its plans, wooing business and promising “fairer” but smarter taxes on the richest."
So no increase in taxes for the richest or an increase in taxes for the richest? I'm none the wiser having read both pieces.
There's no bringing the dear leader back no matter how much Owen Jones may want it. And the primary problem is Johnson, I'll deal with Starmer when I've seen what he does in office (assuming Durham police don't prevent that possibility). |
Be sure to add rolling back anti demonstration legislation to the list of things he (they) will definitely not do! | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:36 - May 31 with 1213 views | Illinoisblue |
What’s the latest score from Westminster? 1 Starmer lie for about 7,000 of Johnson’s. |  |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:39 - May 31 with 1203 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:15 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s been the playbook for years.
Corbyn got the brunt of it. Starmer is still getting it, despite Labour policies eventually winding up as Tory ones because everyone can see how much better they are and are forcing the govt to continuously flip flop.
And the serious pre-election smear campaign hasn’t even got going yet. |
Isn’t the political center ground just soooooo inspirational! | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:00 - May 31 with 1167 views | HARRY10 |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:15 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s been the playbook for years.
Corbyn got the brunt of it. Starmer is still getting it, despite Labour policies eventually winding up as Tory ones because everyone can see how much better they are and are forcing the govt to continuously flip flop.
And the serious pre-election smear campaign hasn’t even got going yet. |
Poor righties, the desperation now just oozes out
Previously they had bleated the words written on the side of the barn wall
"No windfall tax... baa baa.... it will stop investment...baa baa....it will cause inflation.... baa baa...master knows best.... baa baa "
After months of this, there was a windfall tax - a massive u-turn by the shyster who seems to have been suffering from his own inflation over the years. Mind you it was barely a week since his last u-turn.
And a thought re the upcoming vote of confidence. Should Windbag not be defeated, even he would not be so stupid as to try and carry on. The opposition could then simply call a vote of no confidence, which Windbag would lose, as the opposition would only need 40 Tories to vote with them.
It would not bring the government down, but it would signal to the Parliamentary Tory party that trying to retain the walrus as some kind of roving hi viz jacket clad liar was a non starter.
So maybe the cap diffing righties on here might begin to accept the inevitable. The crane has been booked as has Pickfords. It just needs a few windows to be removed, before they can begin the process of winching his bloated form out of the building. |  | | |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:06 - May 31 with 1155 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:00 - May 31 by HARRY10 |
Poor righties, the desperation now just oozes out
Previously they had bleated the words written on the side of the barn wall
"No windfall tax... baa baa.... it will stop investment...baa baa....it will cause inflation.... baa baa...master knows best.... baa baa "
After months of this, there was a windfall tax - a massive u-turn by the shyster who seems to have been suffering from his own inflation over the years. Mind you it was barely a week since his last u-turn.
And a thought re the upcoming vote of confidence. Should Windbag not be defeated, even he would not be so stupid as to try and carry on. The opposition could then simply call a vote of no confidence, which Windbag would lose, as the opposition would only need 40 Tories to vote with them.
It would not bring the government down, but it would signal to the Parliamentary Tory party that trying to retain the walrus as some kind of roving hi viz jacket clad liar was a non starter.
So maybe the cap diffing righties on here might begin to accept the inevitable. The crane has been booked as has Pickfords. It just needs a few windows to be removed, before they can begin the process of winching his bloated form out of the building. |
Sorry to break this to you Harry but your team's man Starmer is a rightie too....and his waistline seems to be expanding! | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:08 - May 31 with 1138 views | jaykay |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:04 - May 31 by jaykay |
so someone actually being dishonest and someone likely to be dishonest are the same.
where was it reported that labour will not raise the tax on those earning over £80000 ? |
i did ask a ? about where it was reported. i was hoping for a link | |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:15 - May 31 with 1126 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:08 - May 31 by jaykay |
i did ask a ? about where it was reported. i was hoping for a link |
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-is-wooing-business-pushing-smarter-taxes-and-
"And the Tories tax woes are set to get worse. In another clean break with the Jeremy Corbyn past, Labour insiders have told me that they are likely to ditch the party’s previous manifesto pledge to put up income tax on the top five per cent of earners. A “wealth tax” has also been ruled out, I understand." | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:16 - May 31 with 1123 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:39 - May 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Isn’t the political center ground just soooooo inspirational! |
"They're all the same" - it's a tired lie normally spouted by the worst of politicians and/or their defenders in order to normalise their own incompetence, or worse, criminality. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:19 - May 31 with 1109 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:08 - May 31 by jaykay |
i did ask a ? about where it was reported. i was hoping for a link |
In the opinion piece that Owen Jones references in his own opinion piece. Odd that, in an article largely about the Tories' fiscal woes, Owen chooses the sub-paragraph referencing his bete noir Starmer. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:22 - May 31 with 1099 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:16 - May 31 by You_Bloo_Right |
"They're all the same" - it's a tired lie normally spouted by the worst of politicians and/or their defenders in order to normalise their own incompetence, or worse, criminality. |
Talking of criminality, I presume you are referencing the Bliar! Or do you thrust him into the realms of sainthood for his PPI work and debt bubble miracle working? | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:25 - May 31 with 1085 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 21:19 - May 31 by MattinLondon |
But I understand the muck-spreading of Tories, as well as by their supporters in the media. But, you think those who state that they don’t support the Tories would hold-fire until after he is elected (if he is elected) and after he has implemented his first set of policies. |
Yeah, you’d think so. In a sane world. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:27 - May 31 with 1071 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:22 - May 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Talking of criminality, I presume you are referencing the Bliar! Or do you thrust him into the realms of sainthood for his PPI work and debt bubble miracle working? |
This bloke?
I hold no politicians in reverence. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:37 - May 31 with 1059 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:25 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, you’d think so. In a sane world. |
Or you can learn from experience. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:40 - May 31 with 1050 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:27 - May 31 by You_Bloo_Right |
This bloke?
I hold no politicians in reverence. |
So which of the governments in your life experience is it that gives you cause for optimism because my experience is that simply getting rid of those you most despise is a recipe for further disillusionment. | |
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| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:43 - May 31 with 1026 views | MattinLondon |
| Politicians .....never believe them! on 22:25 - May 31 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, you’d think so. In a sane world. |
Unfortunately we don’t. Lefties who’d rather smear a Labour politician because he’s not as left as them and consequently allowing the Tories to retain power. Enablers who voted for Brexit and, in time, erode workers rights - the same rights they state that they hold dear. | | | |
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