| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area 20:48 - Sep 26 with 1730 views | Radlett_blue |
and on watching the replay the commentator says "I don't think there's enough in that".
Do you actually have to remove a player's shirt for it to be a foul?
Please can we have commentators who know the laws.
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 21:07 - Sep 26 with 1672 views | iamatractorboy |
Officials who do would probably be handy too. |  | | |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 21:13 - Sep 26 with 1646 views | Garv |
Unless you want to give a penalty at literally every corner, they were probably right. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 08:59 - Sep 27 with 1515 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 21:13 - Sep 26 by Garv |
Unless you want to give a penalty at literally every corner, they were probably right. |
Corners are different. At almost every one, you could probably give a penalty kick. However, most referees take the easy way out by ignoring most of the grappling but occasionally give a non-contentious free kick to the defence.
The Sterling incident was different as the two players were on their own in an open play situation & it was a blatant shirt tug. Maybe the German went down a little easily, but as Rodney Marsh says, if you don't go down, you don't get the foul. | |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:09 - Sep 27 with 1497 views | Hullblue |
Reminds me of the Sky co-com on Saturday who said their left back’s challenge on JD wasn’t a red because ‘he’s not that type of player.’ Oh it’s alright to stamp on someone’s achilles then is it?!
Then he said ‘If it’s a Sam Morsy or a Lee Evans, you know, someone with history, that’s a bit different…’ What?!
Ex pros try and gatekeep knowledge of the game so often - they’ll say you’re only qualified to talk about it if you’ve played at that level etc. Then some of them talk absolute rubbish. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:11 - Sep 27 with 1486 views | Wickets |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 21:13 - Sep 26 by Garv |
Unless you want to give a penalty at literally every corner, they were probably right. |
I understand what you are saying and suppose I agree but how big a shirt pull is allowed ? |  | | |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:13 - Sep 27 with 1484 views | nodge_blue |
Im with you on that. Theres no where in the rules that it says its ok to grab another players shirt and impede their run by that means. I never shirt pulled in all my days of playing amateur football. The fact its done by both sides is only because everyone gets away with it. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:41 - Sep 27 with 1438 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:11 - Sep 27 by Wickets |
I understand what you are saying and suppose I agree but how big a shirt pull is allowed ? |
It's a foul if it has the effect of holding up an opponent. So, like most of the laws, slightly subjective. | |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 13:21 - Sep 27 with 1282 views | Garv |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 08:59 - Sep 27 by Radlett_blue |
Corners are different. At almost every one, you could probably give a penalty kick. However, most referees take the easy way out by ignoring most of the grappling but occasionally give a non-contentious free kick to the defence.
The Sterling incident was different as the two players were on their own in an open play situation & it was a blatant shirt tug. Maybe the German went down a little easily, but as Rodney Marsh says, if you don't go down, you don't get the foul. |
Like the ref I didn't think there was enough in it. Was it really a 'big' or 'blatant' shirt pull?
I don't understand the almost contact desire from fans for soft free kicks and penalties to decide games of football. | |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 13:51 - Sep 27 with 1246 views | chicoazul |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 21:13 - Sep 26 by Garv |
Unless you want to give a penalty at literally every corner, they were probably right. |
The ball isn’t in play from a corner or free kick until it’s kicked. Do what you like when the balls not in play. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 15:20 - Sep 27 with 1188 views | Garv |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:09 - Sep 27 by Hullblue |
Reminds me of the Sky co-com on Saturday who said their left back’s challenge on JD wasn’t a red because ‘he’s not that type of player.’ Oh it’s alright to stamp on someone’s achilles then is it?!
Then he said ‘If it’s a Sam Morsy or a Lee Evans, you know, someone with history, that’s a bit different…’ What?!
Ex pros try and gatekeep knowledge of the game so often - they’ll say you’re only qualified to talk about it if you’ve played at that level etc. Then some of them talk absolute rubbish. |
I think you missed his point. He didn't say it wasn't a red because he's not that type of player. His point was, and he said exactly this, 'only the player knows if he meant it'.
I think it's fair to suggest you have a better idea if someone meant a bad tackle if they've history for it or are particularly strong in the tackle, which Morsy and Evans definitely can be. | |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:28 - Sep 28 with 1029 views | Hullblue |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 15:20 - Sep 27 by Garv |
I think you missed his point. He didn't say it wasn't a red because he's not that type of player. His point was, and he said exactly this, 'only the player knows if he meant it'.
I think it's fair to suggest you have a better idea if someone meant a bad tackle if they've history for it or are particularly strong in the tackle, which Morsy and Evans definitely can be. |
He was talking about it in the context of what punishment the LB deserved. The implication was that he deserved less punishment because he didn't mean the tackle.
Personally I think he did mean it, but either way it's irrelevant - intention isn't a necessary component in a red or yellow card offence. | |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:32 - Sep 28 with 1020 views | tractordownsouth |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:09 - Sep 27 by Hullblue |
Reminds me of the Sky co-com on Saturday who said their left back’s challenge on JD wasn’t a red because ‘he’s not that type of player.’ Oh it’s alright to stamp on someone’s achilles then is it?!
Then he said ‘If it’s a Sam Morsy or a Lee Evans, you know, someone with history, that’s a bit different…’ What?!
Ex pros try and gatekeep knowledge of the game so often - they’ll say you’re only qualified to talk about it if you’ve played at that level etc. Then some of them talk absolute rubbish. |
What history does Lee Evans have? Morsy fair enough, but Evans isn't a dirty player at all. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 17:47 - Sep 28 with 889 views | Garv |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 09:28 - Sep 28 by Hullblue |
He was talking about it in the context of what punishment the LB deserved. The implication was that he deserved less punishment because he didn't mean the tackle.
Personally I think he did mean it, but either way it's irrelevant - intention isn't a necessary component in a red or yellow card offence. |
Of course it is, that's ridiculous.
Would you punish someone who mis-times their jump and heads the back of his opponent's head, in the same way as a deliberate headbutt, because it doesn't matter if he meant it?
I think you'll find that intent will always come into the mind of a referee when judging a tackle or incident. [Post edited 28 Sep 2022 17:48]
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 17:50 - Sep 28 with 875 views | bluelagos |
Ruining our pensions, forcing up the costs of our mortgages, sending up the price of petrol and now this. Bloke's got a lot to answer for. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 18:39 - Sep 28 with 853 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 21:13 - Sep 26 by Garv |
Unless you want to give a penalty at literally every corner, they were probably right. |
Pretty sure if you gave a penalty at every corner, it would soon stop. |  |
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| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 18:57 - Sep 28 with 836 views | Hullblue |
| Sterling clearly pulls a German's shirt in the penalty area on 17:47 - Sep 28 by Garv |
Of course it is, that's ridiculous.
Would you punish someone who mis-times their jump and heads the back of his opponent's head, in the same way as a deliberate headbutt, because it doesn't matter if he meant it?
I think you'll find that intent will always come into the mind of a referee when judging a tackle or incident. [Post edited 28 Sep 2022 17:48]
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If you’re sent off for violent conduct then of course that tends to be intentional. It’s difficult to be accidentally violent.
But when it comes to ‘serious foul play’, intent officially has nothing to do with it. | |
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