| The drift away from globalism continues. 08:28 - Nov 22 with 3047 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The sound of a penny dropping. Cheap Labour disproportionately affects the poorest in societies at a national level.
'But Starmer has already sparked some discomfort within his own party for earlier comments about overseas staff in the NHS, where he said the health service was “recruiting too many people from overseas” rather than training staff.
In the speech on Tuesday, Starmer will double down on the argument, saying: “When we look at our economy as a whole, it can seem like we’re more comfortable hiring people to work in low-paid, insecure, sometimes exploitative contracts than we are investing in the new technology that delivers for workers, productivity and our country.
“And we can’t compete like that. Britain’s low-pay model has to go. It doesn’t serve working people. It’s not compatible with grassroots growth.”
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 with 2504 views | Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |  |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:47 - Nov 22 with 2495 views | tractordownsouth |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 by Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |
Demographics is a huge factor too. We have a large generation entering retirement with a triple-locked pension and a smaller pool of workers to pay for it. Immigration needs to be the short-term solution but fixing housing and childcare costs needs to be the long-term aim. |  |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:08 - Nov 22 with 2440 views | BloomBlue |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 by Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |
Precisely it's OK having highly skilled workforce using the latest technology to build that bicycle but who is going to buy that £900 bike when they can get an identical one off amazon for £200 within 24 hours made in China by some poor sod being paid 10p an hour. |  | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:18 - Nov 22 with 2415 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 by Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |
It is pretty much an overhaul in the structures of society from childcare and education upwards. Good to see some very real concerns being acknowledged at last though! Translating this into meaningful actions is quite another thing. | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:42 - Nov 22 with 2374 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:08 - Nov 22 by BloomBlue |
Precisely it's OK having highly skilled workforce using the latest technology to build that bicycle but who is going to buy that £900 bike when they can get an identical one off amazon for £200 within 24 hours made in China by some poor sod being paid 10p an hour. |
And how do we all, having been brainwashed our entire lives into consumerism, ask the question:
"Do I actually need that thing?"
Or
"Am I enough of a grown up to say I don't need or want any Christmas presents this year?"
I might ask for a V/Anonymous mask for Christmas and some apple trees for my birthday in the Spring next year and join this nutter:
https://www.thephantomplanter.org/ |  | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:45 - Nov 22 with 2366 views | Darth_Koont |
Is there anything more than this cure-all “new technology” that’s meant to come in and make everything better?
Starmer is basically describing the downside of the neoliberal consensus that we’ve had for the past 30-40 years. Does that mean the state should get involved to help re-balance the economy and protect those at the bottom? Judging by his tepid support for raising the minimum wage, supporting the unions and taxing company profits and the rich, I’m guessing that’s a no.
Indeed I think it’s been generally about carrying on as before – Labour’s plans for a green economy and the NHS all involve bringing in more private enterprise. Now “new technology” will re-balance our economy ... it sounds more and more like these are attempts to re-brand neoliberalism and laissez-faire government as the answer to decades of neoliberalism and laissez-faire government. |  |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:46 - Nov 22 with 2352 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Except he’s saying cheap Labour is fine and dandy and will be accommodated tout de suite. You might like to consider the NHS which has asset-stripped third world countries of their trained staff since it’s inception. That’s not going to stop in the brave new world as immigrants now see a backwards-looking uK as an entry point and stepping stone to better paid jobs in the USA and elsewhere | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:49 - Nov 22 with 2349 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:45 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
Is there anything more than this cure-all “new technology” that’s meant to come in and make everything better?
Starmer is basically describing the downside of the neoliberal consensus that we’ve had for the past 30-40 years. Does that mean the state should get involved to help re-balance the economy and protect those at the bottom? Judging by his tepid support for raising the minimum wage, supporting the unions and taxing company profits and the rich, I’m guessing that’s a no.
Indeed I think it’s been generally about carrying on as before – Labour’s plans for a green economy and the NHS all involve bringing in more private enterprise. Now “new technology” will re-balance our economy ... it sounds more and more like these are attempts to re-brand neoliberalism and laissez-faire government as the answer to decades of neoliberalism and laissez-faire government. |
Fair to say I'm not holding my breath. | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:55 - Nov 22 with 2337 views | WeWereZombies |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 by Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |
When you say the cost of long-range transportation I suspect you mean the cost in dollars but the real factor is the cost in greenhouse gas emissions. There is also a parochial view that making sure everyone working on these islands is fine and dandy as far as a pay packet goes and ignoring that toll on merchant seaman outwith the islands who have disjointed lives and terrible pay and conditions in the process of delivering raw materials, components and finished goods to our shores. |  |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:59 - Nov 22 with 2328 views | Darth_Koont |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 09:49 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Fair to say I'm not holding my breath. |
Also, when Labour did present a national broadband programme, the lowest-hanging fruit of technology that could help re-balance society and the economy and start inching whole swathes of the population back up the value chain, it was called “Broadband communism”. And even complained about by the Labour right clowns now pulling the strings.
Bunch of empty, platitudinous and self-interested @rseclowns.  | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 10:07 - Nov 22 with 2303 views | WD19 |
Its basically a half-arsed attempt to adopt a position that is simultaneously 'anti immigration' whilst giving a whiff of jam for everyone. Wake me up when he comes back with some realistic ideas on how he plans to do this. |  | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 10:18 - Nov 22 with 2272 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 10:07 - Nov 22 by WD19 |
Its basically a half-arsed attempt to adopt a position that is simultaneously 'anti immigration' whilst giving a whiff of jam for everyone. Wake me up when he comes back with some realistic ideas on how he plans to do this. |
The entire premise of pensions needs to be rethought in a sustainable long-term way. It currently requires perpetual growth almost in a Ponzi like way. Immigration and population growth will pay one generation’s pensions, and they in turn will require more immigration and population growth to pay theirs.
People will have to accept immigration and further density of people in England, or go back to the days where you work until you drop dead. Unless we can find a better way, but that would require politicians thinking outside of the box! | | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 10:25 - Nov 22 with 2261 views | WeWereZombies |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 10:18 - Nov 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The entire premise of pensions needs to be rethought in a sustainable long-term way. It currently requires perpetual growth almost in a Ponzi like way. Immigration and population growth will pay one generation’s pensions, and they in turn will require more immigration and population growth to pay theirs.
People will have to accept immigration and further density of people in England, or go back to the days where you work until you drop dead. Unless we can find a better way, but that would require politicians thinking outside of the box! |
But you may not be thinking outside the box enough too, with the United Kingdom becoming a less attractive financial destination and therefore less likely to pay well migrants may see these islands as a haven of last resort. Add in the effects of Global Heating and many in the United Kingdom may also be looking at a long term future elsewhere. For those of us living (and thinking) in the real world Starmer's position may seem lukewarm and slow to put in effect but he is at least getting a grip on one of the multitude of issues that need tackling. | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 13:14 - Nov 22 with 2121 views | HARRY10 |
What utter tosh
'globalism' the new idiot word for the clueless (righties)
Countries, merchant and even tribes have been trading across the globe for not only centuries but millennia.
Or am I imagining the cotton trade, which used labour from various parts of the globe. Did German manufactured goods (pre WWI) flood the UK because of where they were made, or were they the first of many Japan, Hong Kong, Bangladesh.......
What this newspeak tries to put over is that by using another word it is something new.
Nothing ever grew, increase or rose before things started to spike, we are led to believe. Or if they did, it is different now.
Similarly, goods were not shifted around the world until we had 'globalism'.
Perhaps some numpty will come up with a new word for the bigger crowds we are now seeing at PR, suggesting it is some new phenomenon. | | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 13:20 - Nov 22 with 2100 views | SpruceMoose |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 13:14 - Nov 22 by HARRY10 |
What utter tosh
'globalism' the new idiot word for the clueless (righties)
Countries, merchant and even tribes have been trading across the globe for not only centuries but millennia.
Or am I imagining the cotton trade, which used labour from various parts of the globe. Did German manufactured goods (pre WWI) flood the UK because of where they were made, or were they the first of many Japan, Hong Kong, Bangladesh.......
What this newspeak tries to put over is that by using another word it is something new.
Nothing ever grew, increase or rose before things started to spike, we are led to believe. Or if they did, it is different now.
Similarly, goods were not shifted around the world until we had 'globalism'.
Perhaps some numpty will come up with a new word for the bigger crowds we are now seeing at PR, suggesting it is some new phenomenon. |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 13:48 - Nov 22 with 2059 views | NthQldITFC |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 by Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |
A massive reduction in consumerism, and a focus for individuals on what actually makes them happy (relationships, experiences) rather than unhappiness of buying something and then realising the promise of happiness in the advert was false. Not only does it make people happier, it also takes some of the heat off our poor, dying planet. It's a win/win. |  |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 15:07 - Nov 22 with 1989 views | HARRY10 |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 13:48 - Nov 22 by NthQldITFC |
A massive reduction in consumerism, and a focus for individuals on what actually makes them happy (relationships, experiences) rather than unhappiness of buying something and then realising the promise of happiness in the advert was false. Not only does it make people happier, it also takes some of the heat off our poor, dying planet. It's a win/win. |
For that to happen in the UK it needs a massive shift in behaviour.
Firstly ending the lunacy of imforced shirtage of housing. A populace who have security of tenure will not be so keen to spend on a a disposal culture.
Regonise that more should be directed to what is need long term, than what is wanted for short term.
Currently we are heading towards a US style economy which says fck the futer, and to hell with building the of infrastructure. Look at their roads, rail, bridges - even the rattling 1970s style New York Underground
Address what happens to the millions of workers in the third world dependent on making those disposable items for the 'West'.
That requires a more informed populace - something I don't see in the UK. | | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 15:30 - Nov 22 with 1975 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 13:14 - Nov 22 by HARRY10 |
What utter tosh
'globalism' the new idiot word for the clueless (righties)
Countries, merchant and even tribes have been trading across the globe for not only centuries but millennia.
Or am I imagining the cotton trade, which used labour from various parts of the globe. Did German manufactured goods (pre WWI) flood the UK because of where they were made, or were they the first of many Japan, Hong Kong, Bangladesh.......
What this newspeak tries to put over is that by using another word it is something new.
Nothing ever grew, increase or rose before things started to spike, we are led to believe. Or if they did, it is different now.
Similarly, goods were not shifted around the world until we had 'globalism'.
Perhaps some numpty will come up with a new word for the bigger crowds we are now seeing at PR, suggesting it is some new phenomenon. |
Are you trying to say that it used to be called colonialism and then slavery and that now it is all about poor people making cheap rubbish? In which case us righties love all that stuff so more globalisation please.
Thanks for putting me right. | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 15:53 - Nov 22 with 1943 views | HARRY10 |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 15:30 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Are you trying to say that it used to be called colonialism and then slavery and that now it is all about poor people making cheap rubbish? In which case us righties love all that stuff so more globalisation please.
Thanks for putting me right. |
No. if that was my intent to say what you claim I would have said it.
Bit odd that you should be further claiming to have been put right by something you are not sure of.... my supposed claim.
Colonialism was about gaining political control over other countries so as to exploit their resources - which is not what the righties bleat about when they mention globalism.
Perhaps you could tell us all how your interpretation of that word differs from said righties. | | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 16:19 - Nov 22 with 1905 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 15:53 - Nov 22 by HARRY10 |
No. if that was my intent to say what you claim I would have said it.
Bit odd that you should be further claiming to have been put right by something you are not sure of.... my supposed claim.
Colonialism was about gaining political control over other countries so as to exploit their resources - which is not what the righties bleat about when they mention globalism.
Perhaps you could tell us all how your interpretation of that word differs from said righties. |
Oh sorry it was just that you mentioned the cotton trade.
For me the terms globalisation and corporate imperialism are interchangeable....is that a rightie thing? | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 16:36 - Nov 22 with 1875 views | HARRY10 |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 16:19 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Oh sorry it was just that you mentioned the cotton trade.
For me the terms globalisation and corporate imperialism are interchangeable....is that a rightie thing? |
It smacks of the righties need for a slogan/word to bleat out.
Any changes in societies views are now decried as 'woke'. Which according to the Daily Mail includes anyone from the BBC to the CoE, Football to farms and Schools to supermarkets. I have tried to get this stuff explained to me by one of these wokey cokeys, but to no avail. All he does is rail, about something else that is now 'woke'. Never any explanation.
So what has changed in the past decade that differentiates trade - that has been happening since the year dot ? Go back to the Corn Laws* and there was no talk of 'globalisation' as Britain imported corn. So is there something now that there was not before ? By now, I mean since the word globalisation was daubed on the barn wall and righties began bleating it out
* One that saw a massive split in the Tory party and one that has remained ever since - and serves as a reminder of the stupidity inherent in PR. Politics groups around two main areas. Those for something and those against, seeing the possibility of having their thoughts put into practice by being part of either. | | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 17:08 - Nov 22 with 1841 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 16:36 - Nov 22 by HARRY10 |
It smacks of the righties need for a slogan/word to bleat out.
Any changes in societies views are now decried as 'woke'. Which according to the Daily Mail includes anyone from the BBC to the CoE, Football to farms and Schools to supermarkets. I have tried to get this stuff explained to me by one of these wokey cokeys, but to no avail. All he does is rail, about something else that is now 'woke'. Never any explanation.
So what has changed in the past decade that differentiates trade - that has been happening since the year dot ? Go back to the Corn Laws* and there was no talk of 'globalisation' as Britain imported corn. So is there something now that there was not before ? By now, I mean since the word globalisation was daubed on the barn wall and righties began bleating it out
* One that saw a massive split in the Tory party and one that has remained ever since - and serves as a reminder of the stupidity inherent in PR. Politics groups around two main areas. Those for something and those against, seeing the possibility of having their thoughts put into practice by being part of either. |
Yeah but it flows off the tongue so much easier than corporate imperialist. Are you still calling me a rightie for using it?
You can keep shifting the goalposts if you like but I'm not going to chase them. | |
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 17:45 - Nov 22 with 1766 views | HARRY10 |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 17:08 - Nov 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yeah but it flows off the tongue so much easier than corporate imperialist. Are you still calling me a rightie for using it?
You can keep shifting the goalposts if you like but I'm not going to chase them. |
If the cap fits....
So asking you to explain your comment is shifting the goal posts. Whereas the only shifting is you away from your claim.
So here's a chance to redeem yourself.
Explain what the difference is between what has been happening for most of human history, and the past decade (at most) ?
The reason I ask is like so much that comes out of the right it is never more than an unexplained bleat. The excuse not to have a credible rebuttal, or in most case not even a coherent argument, just a simple bleat that even they can repeat ..... project fear.... baa baa *
What is woke, who are these global conspiracists, what is Marxist culture ? Nothing more than names for a belief that there is some hidden and controlling firce out there that explains all their woes. As with a rightie nutter in the UK a few days ago who was planning a terrorist act on the basis that COVID was intended to kill off the white population.
So while I am not asking for an explanation of the above as you have so far not posted those words, I am asking you to explain what the word globalism means to you and how it differs from what righties think it means
* Father Jack using ' that would be an ecumenical matter' | | | |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 17:59 - Nov 22 with 1754 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The drift away from globalism continues. on 17:45 - Nov 22 by HARRY10 |
If the cap fits....
So asking you to explain your comment is shifting the goal posts. Whereas the only shifting is you away from your claim.
So here's a chance to redeem yourself.
Explain what the difference is between what has been happening for most of human history, and the past decade (at most) ?
The reason I ask is like so much that comes out of the right it is never more than an unexplained bleat. The excuse not to have a credible rebuttal, or in most case not even a coherent argument, just a simple bleat that even they can repeat ..... project fear.... baa baa *
What is woke, who are these global conspiracists, what is Marxist culture ? Nothing more than names for a belief that there is some hidden and controlling firce out there that explains all their woes. As with a rightie nutter in the UK a few days ago who was planning a terrorist act on the basis that COVID was intended to kill off the white population.
So while I am not asking for an explanation of the above as you have so far not posted those words, I am asking you to explain what the word globalism means to you and how it differs from what righties think it means
* Father Jack using ' that would be an ecumenical matter' |
Fascist!
Edit...still not sure which bit of the op you are arguing about. [Post edited 22 Nov 2022 18:03]
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| The drift away from globalism continues. on 08:44 - Nov 22 by Guthrum |
For that to work, the populace will have to kick their habit of buying cheap stuff and become happy to pay more for everything. Higher wages = higher overheads for businesses, thus higher prices. Simple mathematics.
The real factor in this is the cost of long-range transportation, which for years has been low enough, when combined with wages in places like China, to still be less than the price of producing goods domestically. |
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