| Modern day footballers 15:07 - Dec 9 with 2122 views | Bobsthename |
i would say maybe 20% of them would of survived back in 70/80s and maybe that figure is a bit high just watching the WC game suppose to be the best but they really are a soft bunch. |  | | |  |
| Modern day footballers on 15:11 - Dec 9 with 2096 views | itfcjoe |
And 80% of the players from the 70s wouldn’t be able to get around the pitch like they would need to in the modern game
Or they’d adapt, like the current players would do if playing in the 70s
The best will always be the best |  |
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| Modern day footballers on 15:21 - Dec 9 with 2058 views | Bobsthename |
| Modern day footballers on 15:11 - Dec 9 by itfcjoe |
And 80% of the players from the 70s wouldn’t be able to get around the pitch like they would need to in the modern game
Or they’d adapt, like the current players would do if playing in the 70s
The best will always be the best |
It’s shame when you watch players dive fall collapse when they haven’t even been touched i love the game back i the day and i loved the game in the early 90s but the diving and constant cheating in the game it’s just embarrassing to see.
Footballers back in the day never had the facilities available to players nowadays so maybe that’s why but i was always told you should stand and be counted. | | | |
| Modern day footballers on 15:28 - Dec 9 with 2027 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Modern day footballers on 15:21 - Dec 9 by Bobsthename |
It’s shame when you watch players dive fall collapse when they haven’t even been touched i love the game back i the day and i loved the game in the early 90s but the diving and constant cheating in the game it’s just embarrassing to see.
Footballers back in the day never had the facilities available to players nowadays so maybe that’s why but i was always told you should stand and be counted. |
Eric Gates invented diving. |  |
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| Modern day footballers on 15:30 - Dec 9 with 2018 views | Bobsthename |
| Modern day footballers on 15:28 - Dec 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Eric Gates invented diving. |
Nope Gates use to exaggerate the foul. | | | |
| Modern day footballers on 15:31 - Dec 9 with 2012 views | gtsb1966 |
| Modern day footballers on 15:28 - Dec 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Eric Gates invented diving. |
Slightly harsh. Manipulating any sort of contact sounds better. Was never theatrical either. |  | | |
| Modern day footballers on 15:36 - Dec 9 with 1999 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Modern day footballers on 15:30 - Dec 9 by Bobsthename |
Nope Gates use to exaggerate the foul. |
I was being bawdy Lyn. | |
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| Modern day footballers on 15:50 - Dec 9 with 1959 views | gtsb1966 |
| Modern day footballers on 15:36 - Dec 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I was being bawdy Lyn. |
Could do with Gates in this division. He would win loads of free kicks and penalties. [Post edited 9 Dec 2022 15:52]
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| Modern day footballers on 15:56 - Dec 9 with 1933 views | cbower |
| Modern day footballers on 15:11 - Dec 9 by itfcjoe |
And 80% of the players from the 70s wouldn’t be able to get around the pitch like they would need to in the modern game
Or they’d adapt, like the current players would do if playing in the 70s
The best will always be the best |
Too much has changed to make comparisons fair. First off, the pitches. Nowadays every top flight pitch is like the first game in August used to be. That makes moving the ball with a passing game much quicker.
There are very few, if any what my old fella called 'yard dogs' playing anymore in top line football. Some centre backs from the 70s wouldn't have enough 'football' in them to survive in the modern game.
Diet, training, medical treatment is far superior. As a result, players are fitter, stronger and faster. The whole thing is more professional. I had the pleasure of playing with Duncan Mckenzie a year or two after he retired. He smoked before the game, in the dressing room at half time and straight after games! For players in the 70s, that was common place.
Despite him being in his 50s at the time, I frequently trained with Derekk Hennin, an FA Cup Winner with Bolton in 1958. Jesus, he was so tough in the tackle despite being 50+ he scared the living daylights out of me and he was lamenting how soft the players of the 1980s were. It's an ongoing thing.
In addition, rules have changed. It was all but accepted that you could properly clobber a striker once, maybe twice and you would getting a talking to at most. Sometimes, said striker might give some back but some would drift out wide and avoid further damage. Similar challenges would be a straight red first time today.
We are all products of our environment but you are quite right though. The best would adapt and rise to the top from any era. [Post edited 9 Dec 2022 16:00]
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| Modern day footballers on 15:59 - Dec 9 with 1915 views | XYZ |
| Modern day footballers on 15:21 - Dec 9 by Bobsthename |
It’s shame when you watch players dive fall collapse when they haven’t even been touched i love the game back i the day and i loved the game in the early 90s but the diving and constant cheating in the game it’s just embarrassing to see.
Footballers back in the day never had the facilities available to players nowadays so maybe that’s why but i was always told you should stand and be counted. |
I'd have VAR constantly reviewing diving/ feigning injuries/ cheating - buzz the ref and get a yellow card.
It'd soon stop. | | | |
| Modern day footballers on 16:29 - Dec 9 with 1836 views | mylittletown |
| Modern day footballers on 15:28 - Dec 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Eric Gates invented diving. |
Billy Bremner and Francis Lee were diving at every opportunity, while Eric was still at school.
I thought that Revie's Leeds were the team who brought unrelenting out and out cheating to the English game. |  | | |
| Modern day footballers on 16:39 - Dec 9 with 1817 views | cbower |
| Modern day footballers on 16:29 - Dec 9 by mylittletown |
Billy Bremner and Francis Lee were diving at every opportunity, while Eric was still at school.
I thought that Revie's Leeds were the team who brought unrelenting out and out cheating to the English game. |
Nicknmamed 'Lee One Pen', I believe he scored 13 in one season, many of which were the result of 'fouls' on Lee himself. Head down, charge at the box, he may have dived at times but he had to be stopped. He scored 35 goals that season. Franny could play a bit yer know. And the other fella you mentioned, Mr Bremner. He was a nasty little firebrand but a very fine player too. | |
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| Modern day footballers on 16:57 - Dec 9 with 1784 views | solemio |
| Modern day footballers on 16:39 - Dec 9 by cbower |
Nicknmamed 'Lee One Pen', I believe he scored 13 in one season, many of which were the result of 'fouls' on Lee himself. Head down, charge at the box, he may have dived at times but he had to be stopped. He scored 35 goals that season. Franny could play a bit yer know. And the other fella you mentioned, Mr Bremner. He was a nasty little firebrand but a very fine player too. |
I don't disagree with your comment re Bremner, but I reckon he was less nasty than his midfield colleague, Johnny Giles.
Lee was one of the Man C trinity of Summerbee, Bell and himself. To me Bell was the best of those three, but Lee could play too. | | | |
| Modern day footballers on 17:23 - Dec 9 with 1738 views | Mookamoo |
| Modern day footballers on 15:50 - Dec 9 by gtsb1966 |
Could do with Gates in this division. He would win loads of free kicks and penalties. [Post edited 9 Dec 2022 15:52]
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Always thought Chaplin could be a bit more Gatesy and win a few more free kicks around the box - especially as he can take a pretty good one. |  | | |
| Modern day footballers on 17:28 - Dec 9 with 1715 views | mylittletown |
| Modern day footballers on 16:57 - Dec 9 by solemio |
I don't disagree with your comment re Bremner, but I reckon he was less nasty than his midfield colleague, Johnny Giles.
Lee was one of the Man C trinity of Summerbee, Bell and himself. To me Bell was the best of those three, but Lee could play too. |
John Giles was extremely unpleasant. He was a very good player, who would have been even better if wasn't so obsessed with being seen to be 'hard'
Bell was an all time great. | | | |
| Modern day footballers on 19:29 - Dec 9 with 1622 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Modern day footballers on 15:36 - Dec 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I was being bawdy Lyn. |
Enjoy it.
*Disappointing to see a Partridge reference in a thread go under the radar. |  |
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| Modern day footballers on 19:59 - Dec 9 with 1592 views | Brads |
I know what you mean but they’re not soft, they just act like that to win free kicks etc. Most of the South Americans grew up playing street football in rough areas getting kicked, then moved away from family to Europe at a young age. Dribblers like Neymar, Messi and Grealish get kicked all the time and get up and go again. They’ve all had to come through an incredibly competitive environment to even make it as pros and the fight doesn’t stop. They have to be mentally and physically strong to stay at that level.
Old school hacking just wouldn’t be tolerable now. The power, speed and intensity they play at combined with the improved pitches would just mean that there’d be multiple leg breaks all over the place if it was replicated now. The old style players wouldn’t be able to cope with it either. |  | | |
| Modern day footballers on 20:13 - Dec 9 with 1568 views | Trequartista |
It's not that they are soft, they are going down and writhing around to get a free-kick or opponent yellow card. If they played in the 70s then they would adjust their behaviour accordingly. |  |
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| Modern day footballers on 23:34 - Dec 9 with 1481 views | Churchman |
| Modern day footballers on 19:59 - Dec 9 by Brads |
I know what you mean but they’re not soft, they just act like that to win free kicks etc. Most of the South Americans grew up playing street football in rough areas getting kicked, then moved away from family to Europe at a young age. Dribblers like Neymar, Messi and Grealish get kicked all the time and get up and go again. They’ve all had to come through an incredibly competitive environment to even make it as pros and the fight doesn’t stop. They have to be mentally and physically strong to stay at that level.
Old school hacking just wouldn’t be tolerable now. The power, speed and intensity they play at combined with the improved pitches would just mean that there’d be multiple leg breaks all over the place if it was replicated now. The old style players wouldn’t be able to cope with it either. |
Players like Beattie, Mills, Burley, Mariner, Wark, Gates, Osman, Butcher, Hunter, Brazil, Alan Ball, Best, R Charlton, Gray, Lorimer, A Clarke, McFarland, Todd, even Malcolm MacDonald would deal with todays game with absolute ease. I saw that era and they weren’t as unfit or as unskilled compared to todays players as people think - in my view. Most were two footed too.
Put it this way, the four ITFC central defenders in the above were a heck of a lot better than the chuckle brothers at the centre of England’s current defence. The booze and fags might have to go, mind! |  | | |
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